The Avengers Joss Whedon leading on "Avengers" short list of directors

[FrostBite]

Except Avengers are NOTHING like X-Men...

And he is right.

Favs did Swingers, a film about playboys. *cough*Tony Stark*cough* and cut his action teeth with Zathura.

Branagh is a British thesp with a background in Shakespeare. You don't get more perfect for Thor than that.

See where this is going?

But Tony did very little playboying, it was like, 2 minutes of the movie?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yeah, hire the guy who made one of the seminal TV shows of the 90s, a show that has in its way shaped and influenced the television of the past decade as much as The Sopranos. If you keep on saying Buffy was a flop over and over, it won't make it true.

I'd say it matches perfectly. In the same way Favreau was an inspired pick for Iron Man due to being an actor's director and making heavy use of improv on his sets, or Branagh seems to be an inspired pick for Thor due to his affinity for Shakespearian drama, Whedon seems to be an inspired pick for his talent with dialogue, with ensemble casts, with bringing together long-term overarching storylines in excitingly climactic fashion, and for his inventiveness as a director, coming at what could be standard and predictable fare in an off-kilter way that makes it feel fresh and exciting.

He doesn't come at predictable fare in an off kilter way... he tries too hard to be hip and happening.

And Buffy is not a seminal TV show. Well, maybe with teenage girls yea. It did not shape the future of TV. Neither did The Soprano's.

Comparing Branagh's perfect match with Thor to Whedon and Avengers is ridiculous and you know it.

His exciting climaxes? Am i missing something here? Oh no Angel died! That's exciting!

He can't direct action either. The choreography in Buffy and Angel was mickey mouse, even for small budget TV shows.

You're a fan of Whedon fine, but he is not perfect for Avengers.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

But Tony did very little playboying, it was like, 2 minutes of the movie?

Tony Stark is a playboy, he's suave, he's smooth, it's in his very nature. Favreau wasn't as left field for Iron Man as people like to make out.

 

[Son of Coul]

Except Avengers are NOTHING like X-Men...

And he is right.

Favs did Swingers, a film about playboys. *cough*Tony Stark*cough* and cut his action teeth with Zathura.

Branagh is a British thesp with a background in Shakespeare. You don't get more perfect for Thor than that.

See where this is going?

X-Men and Dr. Horrible are about superheros *%^$COUGH AVENGERS COUGH%^*( he's also directed Serenity about an ensemble group and cut his action teeth with that. He also helped find the solution to Civil War, another big Marvel event.

But Favreau did Swingers, so yeah he was a more obvious pick for Iron Man than Whedon is for Avengers.

 

[mclay18]

See, I think Buffy (the movie, never seen the TV Show) is pure garbage.

That was the studio's fault. The director didn't know what kind of tone Whedon wanted, and his script was rewritten heavily (the school was to have been burned down for instance). Whedon either left the production during filming or at the wrap party.

His work on Buffy season 3 was superb IMO. Especially the final five episodes in that season, where it felt more like a movie and less like a TV show.

 

[roach]

Yeah, hire the guy who made one of the seminal TV shows of the 90s, a show that has in its way shaped and influenced the television of the past decade as much as The Sopranos. If you keep on saying Buffy was a flop over and over, it won't make it true.

I will not call Buffy a flop as it has several season BUT I dont think it has shaped and influenced the television of the past decade...thats a bit much

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Serenity was CRAP. Lord jeebus...

And again, the X-Men are NOTHING like the Avengers. Just because they are all superheroes doesn't mean they are the same.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I'm actually baffled. I know I joked earlier about how there's always going to be SOMEONE hating on a choice, but I'm surprised to see that it's actually 50/50, if not a majority against Whedon on here. And a lot of times you can see where the other side is coming from or whatever, but this time I feel it's such a "duh smack head" obviously perfect choice that I can't see where the negativity's coming from.

I say "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" The detractors reply with, "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" And the vitriol with which they describe it, it's like they were watching totally different shows from the ones I've been watching all these years.

And now I feel like the lone guy screaming the Earth is round when plenty of logical, respected figures steadfastly insisted it was flat.

 

[kedrell]

Or "Want to make a great Avengers movie? Hire the guy who made Astonishing X-Men. Want a great a Iron Man movie? Hire the guy who made... ELF????!!!@#$T$%#"

It works many ways when you phrase it that way.

The X-Men thing was just the comics. I love Peter David but I'd never want him directing a Hulk movie. And with Iron Man, Swingers established Fav's tone which is perfect for Iron Man(I'd say Made was as well) and Elf proved he could handle a film and reach a large portion of the general audience. And if you want to take it further, Zathura proved he could do SFX well. So you cobble some together, but they are ALL in the movie realm. So try cobbling together something like that to show the case that Whedonis right for the Avengers, but I don't think it can be honestly done without resorting to Whedon fan service i.e...."Well I liked this from him". Doesn't matter if you liked something in particular or I do or whatnot. Focus on stuff like, "Did the general audience like it?". "Was it successful?"" I guarantee Whedon comes up short.

 

[baerrtt]

Yeah, hire the guy who made one of the seminal TV shows of the 90s, a show that has in its way shaped and influenced the television of the past decade as much as The Sopranos. If you keep on saying Buffy was a flop over and over, it won't make it true.

I'd say it matches perfectly. In the same way Favreau was an inspired pick for Iron Man due to being an actor's director and making heavy use of improv on his sets, or Branagh seems to be an inspired pick for Thor due to his affinity for Shakespearian drama, Whedon seems to be an inspired pick for his talent with dialogue, with ensemble casts, with bringing together long-term overarching storylines in excitingly climactic fashion, and for his inventiveness as a director, coming at what could be standard and predictable fare in an off-kilter way that makes it feel fresh and exciting.

QFT.

BUFFY despite it's hokey tween show concept (as we would view it now) was one of the most critically acclaimed shows on the box and for very good reason.

He genuinely emphasised the characters and drama in a way that made and makes the attempts at characterisation in, for example, any Bay and, sorry to say this, Letterier flick laughable.

 

[Son of Coul]

Serenity was CRAP. Lord jeebus...

And again, the X-Men are NOTHING like the Avengers. Just because they are all superheroes doesn't mean they are the same.

Same thing with Swingers. People who wish they were living the smooth, suave lives getting the ladies as opposed to someone who actually is and has a whole different approach to it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm actually baffled. I know I joked earlier about how there's always going to be SOMEONE hating on a choice, but I'm surprised to see that it's actually 50/50, if not a majority against Whedon on here. And a lot of times you can see where the other side is coming from or whatever, but this time I feel it's such a "duh smack head" obviously perfect choice that I can't see where the negativity's coming from.

I say "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" The detractors reply with, "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" And the vitriol with which they describe it, it's like they were watching totally different shows from the ones I've been watching all these years.

And now I feel like the lone guy screaming the Earth is round when plenty of logical, respected figures steadfastly insisted it was flat.

Or maybe because Firefly is crap, and so is Serenity. Firefly lasted one season right? Says it all...

And i don't get the hype for Buffy either. Yea Michelle Gellar was hot, Anthony Head was awesome... everything else? Meh. It was forced and hokey and cheesy. It tried to be dramatic and believable, but didn't ever reach those aspirations IMO.

And then you throw in Eliza Dushku and it becomes my worst nightmare.

 

[mclay18]

I'm actually baffled. I know I joked earlier about how there's always going to be SOMEONE hating on a choice, but I'm surprised to see that it's actually 50/50, if not a majority against Whedon on here. And a lot of times you can see where the other side is coming from or whatever, but this time I feel it's such a "duh smack head" obviously perfect choice that I can't see where the negativity's coming from.

I say "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" The detractors reply with, "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" And the vitriol with which they describe it, it's like they were watching totally different shows from the ones I've been watching all these years.

And now I feel like the lone guy screaming the Earth is round when plenty of logical, respected figures steadfastly insisted it was flat.

Here, here. I feel that way too. I do think some people who've seen Serenity and hate it need to see "Firefly" to really know the characters and backstories.

 

[roach]

I'm actually baffled. I know I joked earlier about how there's always going to be SOMEONE hating on a choice, but I'm surprised to see that it's actually 50/50, if not a majority against Whedon on here. And a lot of times you can see where the other side is coming from or whatever, but this time I feel it's such a "duh smack head" obviously perfect choice that I can't see where the negativity's coming from.

I say "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" The detractors reply with, "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" And the vitriol with which they describe it, it's like they were watching totally different shows from the ones I've been watching all these years.

And now I feel like the lone guy screaming the Earth is round when plenty of logical, respected figures steadfastly insisted it was flat.

because Whedon as a creator is very polarizing. You either absolutely love his stuff or absolutely hate his stuff.

 

[mclay18]

Or maybe because Firefly is crap, and so is Serenity. Firefly lasted one season right? Says it all...

You've already established that. You hate Whedon's stuff, we get it, he's a horrible choice IYO. Let's move on... and try to be nice this time.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Here, here. I feel that way too. I do think some people who've seen Serenity and hate it need to see "Firefly" to really know the characters and backstories.

I've seen both. Didn't like it.

 

[8Diagrams(WU)]

He has some talent. Definitely has a good idea on how to build on a team concept from his serenity and firefly stuff. Even though Xmen and avengers are not the same, the astonishing run showed that he is not some incompetent person when it comes to presenting a story and its characters.

He'll do a good job.

 

[FrostBite]

Tony Stark is a playboy, he's suave, he's smooth, it's in his very nature. Favreau wasn't as left field for Iron Man as people like to make out.

Yet he spent about 1/5th of the movie acting suave and smooth. The rest of the time he was being sprayed by stupid machines, providing comedy with his clumsiness, being stern and strong against terrorist threats, and kicking butt in a metal suit.

I'm not sure really how Faveru's experience with Swingers really lead to all but a consultant position on how to make Tony act like a playboy the two minutes that he actually indulged in that lifestyle. Most of it was pretty much Robert Downey being... Robert Downey, and Robert Downey with a metal suit on. There was very little "playboy" to speak of outside of nailing a reporter, stripper poles in the plane, showing off the Jericho, and gambling instead of accepting an award.

I'm not saying that Faveru wasn't talented, or that they didn't pull off one of the best superhero flicks around... because they did. But I think it's a double standard to try and make excuses for a man who pulled it off with the odds stacked against him, and make excuses against another man with the same odds who has yet to try.

If Whedon screws up then I support the bashing. Until we see anything from the film at all, I feel it's all kind of pointless to be singing praises or to jump the gun and condemn him.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You've already established that. You hate Whedon's stuff, we get it, he's a horrible choice IYO. Let's move on... and try to be nice this time.

Well when someone says i'm the equivalent to a person thinking the world is flat because i don't like Whedon and buy into his hokey, cheesy sensibilities i ain't gonna be nice.

And i was merely spitting a fact. Firefly got canned after one season.

 

[Chewy]

Firefly lasted one season right? Says it all...

Because only good shows get picked up for a second season. And ALL good shows get picked up for a second season. Everyone knows popularity = quality.

 

[roach]

Here, here. I feel that way too. I do think some people who've seen Serenity and hate it need to see "Firefly" to really know the characters and backstories.

exactly because there is no way someone would see something from Whendon and hate it

 

[Deaths Head II]

I'm actually baffled. I know I joked earlier about how there's always going to be SOMEONE hating on a choice, but I'm surprised to see that it's actually 50/50, if not a majority against Whedon on here. And a lot of times you can see where the other side is coming from or whatever, but this time I feel it's such a "duh smack head" obviously perfect choice that I can't see where the negativity's coming from.

I say "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" The detractors reply with, "Did you not SEE Buffy, Firefly and Serenity?" And the vitriol with which they describe it, it's like they were watching totally different shows from the ones I've been watching all these years.

And now I feel like the lone guy screaming the Earth is round when plenty of logical, respected figures steadfastly insisted it was flat.

I agree.

I just don't care anymore. Whedon will come out with an amazing film and then the haters will struggle even harder to find an excuse to dismiss it just like they already failed at trying to dismiss Astonishing X-Men and Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along-Blog. I'm just happy we got a great choice for the film.

 

[baerrtt]

Serenity was CRAP. Lord jeebus...

And again, the X-Men are NOTHING like the Avengers. Just because they are all superheroes doesn't mean they are the same.

Both titles have always drawn their drama from the flaws of their characters. And given that the AVENGERS team, once you get past the rep, aren't cookie cutter flawless heroes with characters like Stark, Pym, Hulk or Hawkeye, a writer/director whose specifically built his work on disparate types successfully working together is, in my eyes, a perfect choice for this project.

 

[roach]

Because only good shows get picked up for a second season. And ALL good shows get picked up for a second season. Everyone knows popularity = quality.

no but popularity= butts in seats= $$$$$

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Because only good shows get picked up for a second season. And ALL good shows get picked up for a second season. Everyone knows popularity = quality.

Yea i know that.

I was using that example to show that Whedon has never connected to big audiences. Apart from Buffy and Angel, which were about vampires...