The Avengers Joss Whedon leading on "Avengers" short list of directors

[kedrell]

Eh, they're clique-ish to me. I hate cliques. Really hate them. Plus I find their entire inception to be lazy writing. Stan Lee even admitted it. He didn't feel like giving them all individuality with their origins so he just waved a wand and said "their all mutants". I hate that.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

kedrell, I love your sig

 

[kedrell]

Thanks. I tried to put the smiley's in there but I guess it doesn't work on the sig.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Eh, they're clique-ish to me. I hate cliques. Really hate them. Plus I find their entire inception to be lazy writing. Stan Lee even admitted it. He didn't feel like giving them all individuality with their origins so he just waved a wand and said "their all mutants". I hate that.

Hmm i have a similar view. See IMO, 90% of the X-Men are worthless characters and are only popular because they come under the X-Men brand.

All these new X-kids running around annoy the **** out of me.

But guys like Cyclops, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Beast, Madrox, Iceman and Wolverine can be good.

None of them have been for years though. Cyclops is a pale shadow of his former self, authorizing wetworks squads to do hits for him. Colossus is constantly ****ing moping around about his love life. Wolverine has turned into an unintentional parody of himself from the 80s.

Beast and Madrox are the only ones who are decent nowadays.

I've also got a soft spot for Cable, Domino, Banshee, Siryn and Cannonballs for obvious reason though

 

[FrostBite]

I didn't care for that show, either.

I just.. don't really know what to say. Oh well, to each their own.

 

[TheFuture]

Comparing Branagh's perfect match with Thor to Whedon and Avengers is ridiculous and you know it.

Why? Whedon has a track record of creating excellent team dynamics in Buffy, Angel, Serenity and Firefly. This is as relevant to making The Avengers a success as Branagh's thesp background for Thor.

 

[LEX]

Whedon? I am EXCITE!

 

[Raiden]

Eh, they're clique-ish to me. I hate cliques. Really hate them. Plus I find their entire inception to be lazy writing. Stan Lee even admitted it. He didn't feel like giving them all individuality with their origins so he just waved a wand and said "their all mutants". I hate that.

I'm a fan of X-Men (although I haven't followed the comics much recently after I stopped collecting them), and I don't really think they are clique at all. Sure, Stan Lee may have been a bit lazy when he came up with the concept of mutants, but at least Marvel has used that for great storylines about racism, like God Loves, Man Kills, and stories that explore the alienation and even curse that comes with being a mutant. I found X-Men to be more interesting than most other superhero teams, whether DC or Marvel, in the comicdom.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Why? Whedon has a track record of creating excellent team dynamics in Buffy, Angel, Serenity and Firefly. This is as relevant to making The Avengers a success as Branagh's thesp background for Thor.

Yes because creating excellent team dynamics in tv shows and mickey mouse films (which is arguable anyway) is all that is needed to make a epic Avengers film with megastars and a mega budget.

What about his short comings like cheesy romance? Hokey humour? Crap action scenes?

 

[Keyser Soze]

Or maybe because Firefly is crap, and so is Serenity. Firefly lasted one season right? Says it all...

Yeah, it says plenty. Before Fox were despised for cashing in on Watchmen, they were despised for shafting Whedon and Frefly (screening it out of order, shifting the timeslot on a weekly basis, never advertising it, taking extended breaks between episodes early on, then cancelling it before it could find its feet). The premature cancellation of Firefly is viewed as one of Fox's great follies, and not just by Whedonites either. Firefly was a show near universally acclaimed by critics as well as by the viewers who actually watched it.

As for Serenity, far from being crap, it totally put Revenge of the Sith to shame when it came out a few months later, and it managed to trump and out Star Trek the Star Trek remakes a good few years before it was released. Just because it didn't make big bucks like those movies doesn't change that.

 

[kedrell]

I just.. don't really know what to say. Oh well, to each their own.

It was more like 'meh' than outright hating it, but I loathe how they did Venom(basically Ultimate Venom, which I hate). Venom is the only Spidey mythos character I even like(I'm not a Spidey fan at all) but I only like the Macfarlane Venom. So that's why I didn't care much for it. but the thing is, I'm not a Superman or Justice League fan either(in point of fact I'm no fan of any DC property other than Y: The Last Man), but I absolutely loved Bruce Timm's Superman TAS & JL shows. So if it's really good, I can get into it even if I have no love for the comics property itself. But TSSM(in fact, no Marvel TV show) has been able to really do it for me.

 

[roach]

I'm a fan of X-Men (although I haven't followed the comics much recently after I stopped collecting them), and I don't really think they are clique at all. Sure, Stan Lee may have been a bit lazy when he came up with the concept of mutants, but at least Marvel has used that for great storylines about racism, like God Loves, Man Kills, and stories that explore the alienation and even curse that comes with being a mutant. I found X-Men to be more interesting than most other superhero teams, whether DC or Marvel, in the comicdom.

agreed

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yeah, it says plenty. Before Fox were despised for cashing in on Watchmen, they were despised for shafting Whedon and Frefly (screening it out of order, shifting the timeslot on a weekly basis, never advertising it, taking extended breaks between episodes early on, then cancelling it before it could find its feet). The premature cancellation of Firefly is viewed as one of Fox's great follies, and not just by Whedonites either. Firefly was a show near universally acclaimed by critics as well as by the viewers who actually watched it.

As for Serenity, far from being crap, it totally put Revenge of the Sith to shame when it came out a few months later, and it managed to trump and out Star Trek the Star Trek remakes a good few years before it was released. Just because it didn't make big bucks like those movies doesn't change that.

Yea well Fox ****ed up. What's new?

And outdoing ROTS is not something to write home about.

And IMO it's a poor mans Star Trek.

 

[roach]

As for Serenity, far from being crap, it totally put Revenge of the Sith to shame when it came out a few months later, and it managed to trump and out Star Trek the Star Trek remakes a good few years before it was released. Just because it didn't make big bucks like those movies doesn't change that.

if you are a Whedon fan

 

[Raiden]

It was more like 'meh' than outright hating it, but I loathe how they did Venom(basically Ultimate Venom, which I hate). Venom is the only Spidey mythos character I even like(I'm not a Spidey fan at all) but I only like the Macfarlane Venom. So that's why I didn't care much for it. but the thing is, I'm not a Superman or Justice League fan either(in point of fact I'm no fan of any DC property other than Y: The Last Man), but I absolutely loved Bruce Timm's Superman TAS & JL shows. So if it's really good, I can get into it even if I have no love for the comics property itself. But TSSM(in fact, no Marvel TV show) has been able to really do it for me.

Too bad you don't like X-Men, because the '92-97 X-Men animated series and X-Men: Evolution from 2000-03 are rather well-made.

 

[kedrell]

I'm a fan of X-Men (although I haven't followed the comics much recently after I stopped collecting them), and I don't really think they are clique at all. Sure, Stan Lee may have been a bit lazy when he came up with the concept of mutants, but at least Marvel has used that for great storylines about racism, like God Loves, Man Kills, and stories that explore the alienation and even curse that comes with being a mutant. I found X-Men to be more interesting than most other superhero teams, whether DC or Marvel, in the comicdom.

All I can say is to each their own. But theme's of racism, prejudice, etc. really don't mean **** to me. So I never got into it all.

 

[kedrell]

Too bad you don't like X-Men, because the '92-97 X-Men animated series and X-Men: Evolution from 2000-03 are rather well-made.

Oh I tried watching them. Aside from the fact that I just didn't care about any of the characters, I really didn't like how Marvel has animated their TV shows. I much prefer the more angular Bruce Timm look. The Marvel animation always seemed too soft and fuzzy to me.

 

[TheFuture]

Yes because creating excellent team dynamics in tv shows and mickey mouse films (which is arguable anyway) is all that is needed to make a epic Avengers film with megastars and a mega budget.

What does it matter what the medium is? There are plenty of films I have seen that have failed because of their inability to create proper chemistry and excellent team dynamics between characters. Films that would have been drastically improved had they had what Whedon achieved in the likes of Buffy and Angel.

What about his short comings like cheesy romance? Hokey humour? Crap action scenes?

Cheesy in what way? None of the romances Whedon has dealt with have been cliched sentimental twaddle.

Hokey humour? Sure there are few cheesey lines but most of the humour is quite natural. Nothing was forced or contrived about Buffy's sarcasm or Spike's and Giles's dry wit.

I have seen very little TV shows that have done action better than Buffy. The fights have always been well choreographed and the effects have been excellent for the budget that he had.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Have fun folks! This fight's gonna last until 2012!

 

[DACrowe]

I love all the hostility from the fanboy community. I"m not sure if they are angry that he only has done one movie or that much of his work involves women who aren't damsels in distress, but there is some white hot hatred for the guy. I'm surprised.

The man more than anything knows how to juggle an ensemble and make awesome, really endearing characters and relations. Serenity, when viewed in context with the brilliant series Firefly, was the best sci-fi film of the last decade. He makes viewers love his characters, even if there are nine of them. Each is individually developed, distinct and cool.

While I was never a huge fan of the Buffy series, he had that same sensibility. He has directed some solid action scenes before and I have confidence he can up the ante with a $200 million budget. The complaints that he can't seem to be from people who don't know his work or think because he hasn't made an action movie he can't do it. Because we all know how well Louis Letterer and Brett Ratner, directors with action experience, were with Marvel movies.

Whedon's Youtube movie/musical, Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog, was better than half of the comic book movies made to date. I think he WILL BE FINE.

And for those who still whine about experience, I bet they were pissed off when JJ Abrhams, the guy who created the "girl power" show Alias and drama/mystery Lost got the job to do Star Trek. He ended up making the best Trek movie ever, i.e. one that people actually wanted and enjoyed watchings. I'm also sure when "the guy who made Elf and Zathura" was given the job to make Iron Man, they wondered how "this small-time supporting actor and kids' movie director can handle Tony Stark? Where's Michael Bay?"

If you want Clash of the Titans, then I understand the problem. If you want something closer to Serenity or the last Star Trek movie, then Whedon is a great choice.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

lol this is gonna be one of those things that goes round and round in circles.

So i might just give up now before i go insane. well more insane than i already am.

Shoulda been Vaugn!

 

[Kanon]

I have seen very little TV shows that have done action better than Buffy. The fights have always been well choreographed and the effects have been excellent for the budget that he had.

True that. I'm not a fan, and since my sister is a fan of Buffy, I was always closed to being annoyed by it. But the show was a fun ride, and at the time, it was the closest thing to an adventure comic book you could find on TV.

 

[NickNitro]

Ya know its threads like these that make me scared out of my mind to post anything...ever.

Everyone gets bashed for each idea or speculation they have so I find it more fitting to just sit back and read it all and play a form of God mode over the whole thing ha.

I feel that this guy whether he has done craptastic stuff in the past or not has got the attention of Marvel...which as of right now has NOT let us down.

They are a group of very well knowledgable people who understand The Avengers is probably the greatest Superhero movie to ever be made. Im sure they would not half a$$ their selection of directors/writers/actors/actresses.

We have no idea how long they really have been searching and interviewing writers/producers/directors for each of these films only the snipets of info we get on websites like SHH.

I will not judge this guy on what we think hell do good or bad. Ill wait for a trailer and some interviews.

Anyway.......lets get back to the epic nerdrage!

 

[kedrell]

I'd say it matters a s***load what medium it is. TV shows are not movies and neither are comics. Most directors(like Favs & Nolan) have to build up to the level of handling a superhero blockbuster movie by proving themselves with several theatrical movies to their credit. Not Joss Whedon, oh no! Just one theatrical bomb and he's off to the races with the biggest superhero film in history. And many Avengers fans quake in their boots at the thought of it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I love all the hostility from the fanboy community. I"m not sure if they are angry that he only has done one movie or that much of his work involves women who aren't damsels in distress, but there is some white hot hatred for the guy. I'm surprised.

The man more than anything knows how to juggle an ensemble and make awesome, really endearing characters and relations. Serenity, when viewed in context with the brilliant series Firefly, was the best sci-fi film of the last decade. He makes viewers love his characters, even if there are nine of them. Each is individually developed, distinct and cool.

While I was never a huge fan of the Buffy series, he had that same sensibility. He has directed some solid action scenes before and I have confidence he can up the ante with a $200 million budget. The complaints that he can't seem to be from people who don't know his work or think because he hasn't made an action movie he can't do it. Because we all know how well Louis Letterer and Brett Ratner, directors with action experience, were with Marvel movies.

Whedon's Youtube movie/musical, Dr. Horrible's Singalong Blog, was better than half of the comic book movies made to date. I think he WILL BE FINE.

And for those who still whine about experience, I bet they were pissed off when JJ Abrhams, the guy who created the "girl power" show Alias and drama/mystery Lost got the job to do Star Trek. He ended up making the best Trek movie ever, i.e. one that people actually wanted and enjoyed watchings. I'm also sure when "the guy who made Elf and Zathura" was given the job to make Iron Man, they wondered how "this small-time supporting actor and kids' movie director can handle Tony Stark? Where's Michael Bay?"

If you want Clash of the Titans, then I understand the problem. If you want something closer to Serenity or the last Star Trek movie, then Whedon is a great choice.

Bolded: You say that as though it's fact.

It's not. You are a Whedonite i take it? Of course you would say that.