The Dark Knight Just read "Joker's Five-Way Revenge" and I can see where this movie is going.

The 'Five-Way Revenge" did come from that Jett chap so i'll be taking it with a pinch of salt.

When asked what source material Joker would be drawn from Nolan didn't mention it, that's not to say they haven't though.

I couldn't see Joker going after "his thugs" because the timeline we're on he wouldn't have many and is just starting out.

Maybe he goes after the Red Hood syndicate after 'you know what' happens!
 
Five-Way is featured in the excellent comic compliation: Batman V The Joker - The greatest Joker stories ever told.

Well it was in the 1990 edition, so I assume it's in the re-prints : o

An excellent read with some of the Joker's best (and first) appearences.
 
I just read Five Way revenge, and given the context in which it was written, it s really good Batman/Joker story, with a lot of the classic Finger/Kane dynamics where Joker goes on a methodic killing spree and Bats always seems one step behind him, kinda similar to Laughing Fish or Man Who Laughs. Of course it has to be seen in context, where a lot of the dialogue and plot situations - like Bats buying that the mugger wanted to get his toothbrush when his life was at stake or expecting Joker to keep his promise to spare the last former gang member in his list - will seem dated now.
 
ultimatefan said:
I just read Five Way revenge, and given the context in which it was written, it s really good Batman/Joker story, with a lot of the classic Finger/Kane dynamics where Joker goes on a methodic killing spree and Bats always seems one step behind him, kinda similar to Laughing Fish or Man Who Laughs. Of course it has to be seen in context, where a lot of the dialogue and plot situations - like Bats buying that the mugger wanted to get his toothbrush when his life was at stake or expecting Joker to keep his promise to spare the last former gang member in his list - will seem dated now.
Agreed.
As much as Finger/Kane version is something to be used as a reference, some aspects would seen dated now.
But, as you said, this "Finger/Kane dynamics where Joker goes on a methodic killing spree and Bats always seems one step behind him" can be eventually indicating what Heath Ledger meant when he said this Joker will be "darker and more sinister".
 
The character Lil' Ze (formally known as Lil' Dice" in the movie City of God reminds me of the Joker in regards to his taking over and murderous habits.
 
V said:
I couldn't see Joker going after "his thugs" because the timeline we're on he wouldn't have many and is just starting out.

I'd prefer Joker to be thugless if possible, I doubt many people would want to work for him. Plus serial killers work alone. Good thread BTW
 
Joker cannot be "thug-less"! That means no Harley Quinn!
 
Catman said:
Joker cannot be "thug-less"! That means no Harley Quinn!
Ugh thank god. Quinn wouldnt work in Nolan's world. Or... I just don't want her to :p
 
Dr. MIX said:
Ugh thank god. Quinn wouldnt work in Nolan's world. Or... I just don't want her to :p

But who is gonna take over Crane's position at Arkham? :cwink:
 
...not her? :)

On second thought, having that character replacing Crane's position at Arkham makes sense. I'm all for it :up:

...Yeah, I'm easily influenced. ;)
 
Dr. MIX said:
...not her? :)

On second thought, having that character replacing Crane's position at Arkham makes sense. I'm all for it :up:

...Yeah, I'm easily influenced. ;)

Well I would say she has a shot of being introduced in that way. I mean we wouldn't see her as the sidekick in full costume but maybe as a doctor who becomes charmed or converted if you will by the Joker and she secretly starts to help him. It could easily work.
 
I know alot of people argue that Killer Croc wouldn't work in Nolan's Gotham but I beg to differ. The original character was a bitter ex-con who had been taunted and abused as a child due to his skin disease. My point is that I,personally would love to see Croc in a cameo replacing the boxer who
drank the poisoned water.
 
Hey, can I have Five-way revenge too ?? Thanx.

Polux
 
Shedhut said:
Here is an description of the Jokers characteristics in "five way Revenge". Found it on a comic discussion board. The question was whether "The Laughing Fish/Sign of the Joker" or "Five Way Revenge" was the better or more important Joker story overall. The post is from May 04, so it was not TDK related at all:


"There is no doubting "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" (1973) is notable for three reasons. Number one, it marked a return to form for the Joker. Under writer Denny O'Neil, this Joker was no longer encumbered by Wortham's stifling legacy (the original version of the Comics Code) or the stigma of the "Batman" tv program. He once again became the deadly menace portrayed in his original appearances, as evidenced by the re-introduction of the laugh-inducing Joker-venom. Secondly, the Joker regained his sense of humor, and actually became funny instead of annoying. This Joker was a far cry from the one in the 50s/60s, who was just a goofy, irritating freak (check out "The Great Clayface-Joker Feud"). He used style (the exploding cigar) and wit (the shark) and sly banter, instead of obnoxiousness. Finally, and most importantly, "Five-Way" established the groundwork for the entire Batman/Joker dichotomy that's become the core of the Bat-mythos: reason/rationality vs randomness/insanity. When the Joker clubs Batman into unconsciousness, the grinning gargoyle decides not to kill his nemesis; instead, the Joker pontificates about how any death for Batman must come solely from a battle of wits and madness--anything else would be cheap and pointless."

I didn't find the Joker particularly funny in that book. I loved it though

.... AND you left out another important first that 'Five Way' gave us .....

Neal Adam's first official depiction of The Joker.

BTW, my amatuer movie 'Dance of the Harlequin' was also based on 'Five Way'. Maybe someday I'll post the script for it on these boards. I did shoot a lot of it but not enough to complete the film.
 
^^ Then just put up a trailer, like the guys that made Grayson...I want to see it. :)
 
RedIsNotBlue said:
Well I would say she has a shot of being introduced in that way. I mean we wouldn't see her as the sidekick in full costume but maybe as a doctor who becomes charmed or converted if you will by the Joker and she secretly starts to help him. It could easily work.

That's wonderful!
 
What made "the Joker's 5 way Revenge" so significant was that is was doing a time when Batman was being revamp back to his "darker" roots after coming off the immense popularity of the camp TV show and movie.

What Denny O Neil and Neal Adams was doing in the early '70s with Batman is the ground work for the style of books, cartoons and movies that has been the staple for Batman since then.

And this was a huge undertaking becasue the previous 20 years (from from the 50s to the 60s) Batman was another daytime fighting super citizen sueprhero that was tone down in violence and darkness of the late 30s and early 40s becasue of the invention of the comic code authorithy.

And this toning down of Batman also affect his rogue gallery, particularly the Joker, who went from a sadistic murdered of the early Bob Kane days to the "over the top clown clown prince of crime" that did spectacular crimes that was to "embarass" Batman and hold Gotham from ransom money, and he never murdered.

"the Joker 5 way revenge" re-invented the Joker back to being the sadistic murdered that he was in the 30s and early 40s and it was done very cleverly in that he was murdering all the former thugs he used in his crime thinking on eof them had betrayed him.

Since that story the Joker has been portrayed as the sadistic killer he was originally intended to be in the books, movies, etc.

Plus you get the great Neal Adams drawing the Joker.
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Great stuff.
 
that's the joker i wanna see in the dark knight, mixed with bob kane's...
 
thedarks0ldier said:
I wish Neal Adam could draw some more stories.

And you may get that wish.

Rumor has it that last year DC and Adams ink a contract for him to do some new artwork for some batman stories. And I'm not talking the occasional cover like he did for ALL Star Superman No. 1, but actual interior pages for a couple of issues.

He also did this last year for a short story for the X-Men.

However as someone who has followed Neal Adams career over the years, I will say his style of artwork is different from when he began. His style is still realistic and dynamic but it's not as precise as it used to be back in the day.

He's still better that 99.9& of the comic artist out there today but not as good as he was in his prime.

It's like the artwork of Late great Jim Aparo in his later days, ("Death in the family, Knightfall") it's a reflection of his earlier '70s stuff particularly in "the Brave and the Bold'.
 
Darknightnomis said:
And you may get that wish.

Rumor has it that last year DC and Adams ink a contract for him to do some new artwork for some batman stories. And I'm not talking the occasional cover like he did for ALL Star Superman No. 1, but actual interior pages for a couple of issues.

He also did this last year for a short story for the X-Men.

However as someone who has followed Neal Adams career over the years, I will say his style of artwork is different from when he began. His style is still realistic and dynamic but it's not as precise as it used to be back in the day.

He's still better that 99.9& of the comic artist out there today but not as good as e was in his prime.

It's like the artwork of Late great Jim Aparo in his later days, ("Death in the family, Knightfall") it's a reflection of his earlier '70s stuff particularly in "the Brave and the Bold'.
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