Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 6

[JerseyJoker]

Just a great reminder that the original person to make this thread didnt even think about to putting a lower than 700 mill WW total, but thought to push for 2bill.

 

[samsnee]

I'm still amazed that Justice League is going to end up doing worse than Thor: The Dark World. And unlike Justice League, Thor: The Dark World didn't cost $300 million to make, so it actually made a profit for Marvel, rather than losing them money the way Justice League likely lost Warner Bros. money.

Never forget:

The average movie audience has seen — well, I can’t even count the amount of superhero movies. Fantastic Four, X-Men, Superman, Spider-Man. The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful. Thor, too!

- Zack Snyder

 

[OzzMosiz]

All 3 MCU movies Have surpassed Wonder Woman this year.

Spider-man and Thor 3 have, but both had 2 popular Marvel characters.
Guardians came off an exceptionally well received first film. That is probably why they turned Thor: Ragnarok into Guardians of the Ragnarok

Wonder Woman did exceptionally well considering it came off the back of the less liked BvS (which I loved).

WW is also the biggest opening for a Superhero intro film (inflation unadjusted) and biggest female led film.

Not bad, eh?

 

[Adder]

Man... he's still at it?!?!

That dudes got some resilience. Too bad he can't spin for crap.

It's crazy. If you go back several years he had other channels where he trashed nolan's bat films all day and praised marvel.

 

[Adder]

Spider-man and Thor 3 have, but both had 2 popular Marvel characters.
Guardians came off an exceptionally well received first film. That is probably why they turned Thor: Ragnarok into Guardians of the Ragnarok

Wonder Woman did exceptionally well considering it came off the back of the less liked BvS (which I loved).

WW is also the biggest opening for a Superhero intro film (inflation unadjusted) and biggest female led film.

Not bad, eh?

kinda defensive there, eh?

 

[Iceman]

Spider-man and Thor 3 have, but both had 2 popular Marvel characters.
Guardians came off an exceptionally well received first film. That is probably why they turned Thor: Ragnarok into Guardians of the Ragnarok

Wonder Woman did exceptionally well considering it came off the back of the less liked BvS (which I loved).

WW is also the biggest opening for a Superhero intro film (inflation unadjusted) and biggest female led film.

Not bad, eh?

All 4 films did very well. WW was super strong domestically, especially for a debut. The MCU films did well overseas with brand well established now. Will be very impressive if the solo film can continue doing these kinds of numbers or more long term.

 

[JOE]

Never forget: "The average movie audience has seen — well, I can’t even count the amount of superhero movies. Fantastic Four, X-Men, Superman, Spider-Man. The Marvel universe has gone nuts; we’re going to have a fricking Captain America movie if we’re not careful. Thor, too!"

- Zack Snyder

"If we're not careful"? It's comments like these that boil my blood.

 

[The Joker]

Snyder has that effect on people.

 

[GreenKToo]

I'm so over the whole DC vs Marvel crap. WB had a chance to really make the competition fun and entertaining between the two, and save for ww and somewhat mos, it did have some bright spots, they dropped the ball.
No, strike that, they climbed the highest building they could find and shot the Ball from a cannon, and it exploded into a million pieces when it hit the ground.

 

[Samuron]

"If we're not careful"? It's comments like these that boil my blood.

From the same interview:

My mother saw I was into this comic called Heavy Metal magazine, so she got me a subscription. You could call it ”high-brow” comics, but to me, that comic book was just pretty sexy! I had a buddy who tried getting me into ”normal” comic books, but I was all like, ”No one is having sex or killing each other. This isn’t really doing it for me.” I was a little broken, that way. So when Watchmen came along, I was, ”This is more my scene.”

 

[Timebomb]

from the same interview:

let's have this guy direct the JL! Brilliant!

 

[Themanofbat]

^^^ No kidding..

 

[Flemm]

It's not like that type of attitude is really unique to Snyder. One problem that DC has in general is that it doesn't really believe that most of its characters are important, outside of Superman and Batman.

I don't blame him for imbibing that attitude from the comics, since it already exists there, to a great extent. And probably also at the studio.

The other thing is just a variation of "sex and violence = edgy and cool," which is an extremely common idea, and sometimes very successful.

He thought that the cynical, violent depiction of superheroes was the place to go for inspiration, with disastrous results.

So it really is a great example of the wrong ideas at the wrong time. He bought into the idea that certain characters are innately better and more worthy of cinematic adaptation than others, at a time when lesser-known characters are exploding into the mainstream.

And he thought that making the DC films relatively violent, dark and cynical would be a path to critical and commercial success. A lot of other people involved probably thought so, too.

I would have argued against it, but I can also understand why it probably sounded like a good idea. Snyder would have been a better fit for a Watchmen-inspired Netflix series, or something along those lines. A smaller-scale adaptation, rather than the big screen adaptations, which are supposed to be the flagship for the franchise. In that type of setting, you can afford to cultivate a niche audience and present alternative versions of the characters. Not so in these movies.

 

[FunkMiller]

let's have this guy direct the JL! Brilliant!

It still baffles me to this day that someone with his attitude and personality was allowed virtual free reign on DC’s properties.

They must have been turned down by so many other film makers.

 

[Consona]

You can like JL was Snyder's film.

The audacity to put his name in the titles is astounding.

 

[The Guard]

He thought that the cynical, violent depiction of superheroes was the place to go for inspiration, with disastrous results.

So it really is a great example of the wrong ideas at the wrong time. He bought into the idea that certain characters are innately better and more worthy of cinematic adaptation than others, at a time when lesser-known characters are exploding into the mainstream.

And he thought that making the DC films relatively violent, dark and cynical would be a path to critical and commercial success. A lot of other people involved probably thought so, too.

Wasn't Snyder. Certainly wasn't JUST Snyder.

It was Jeff Robinov and the braintrust at WB circa 2008/2009.

Like the recent Batman sequel — which has become the highest-grossing film of the year thus far — Mr. Robinov wants his next pack of superhero movies to be bathed in the same brooding tone as “The Dark Knight.” Creatively, he sees exploring the evil side to characters as the key to unlocking some of Warner Bros.’ DC properties. “We’re going to try to go dark to the extent that the characters allow it,” he says. That goes for the company’s Superman franchise as well.

They wanted to capitalize on how well received THE DARK KNIGHT was, and the reaction to THE DARK KNIGHT RISES didn't give them any reason to change course.

Snyder may have been suited for it, but the approach was in the works long before he arrived on scene in late 2010. It was the plan for a long time.

 

[JOE]

You can like JL was Snyder's film.

The audacity to put his name in the titles is astounding.

The audacity to put someone who directed almost the entire movie in the title? How dare they!

The posts when JL was being praised on Twitter were the best. "It's Snyder's movie! They better not give Joss credit for this! This is Snyder's Justice League!!!"

Fast forward 2 months... "The audacity to put his name in the titles is astounding."

 

[MbJ]

There was a great Twitter thread discussing what happened and what was WB's mindset going into the DCEU, and the thing is, it makes sense on paper. As we've seen the end result was not what WB was hoping for, but yeah, back in 2012 when they were working on Man of Steel it's easy to see why they thought this would work.

They'd found mass critical acclaim and box office success in getting an auteur director to do a dark, gritty and deconstructionist take on Batman, and thought getting an auteur director to do a dark, gritty and deconstructionist take on Superman would be another home run, especially with Nolan back as a producer.

There was a really great rundown of the situation here.
https://***********/acidic_heart/status/932348475756466176?lang=en

 

[obredaan]

Spider-man and Thor 3 have, but both had 2 popular Marvel characters.
Guardians came off an exceptionally well received first film. That is probably why they turned Thor: Ragnarok into Guardians of the Ragnarok

Wonder Woman did exceptionally well considering it came off the back of the less liked BvS (which I loved).

WW is also the biggest opening for a Superhero intro film (inflation unadjusted) and biggest female led film.

Not bad, eh?

It shouldn't shock anyone that Wonder Woman did so well. They veered away from the Snyderverse and remade Superman The Movie.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

$750,000 on Monday.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...t-grossing-box-office-bomb-ever/#7d5da8117942

 

[obredaan]

"If we're not careful"? It's comments like these that boil my blood.

Yep. Snyder is an odd personality. The way he mocks comic book heroes so often is downright annoying to me. The video below shows how he perceives it as crazy that Thor has a movie but not Superman...of course he ignores or fails to acknowledge the 5 previous Superman films while complaining about Thor who'd never had a film released at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE-qUhHZpMQ

He's annoyingly arrogant. I like some of his films but the man himself grates my nerves as do some of his overzealous fans.

 

[The Guard]

So...it does have good legs, or it doesn't? The box office man seems to think it does.

 

[Erzengel]

The audacity to put someone who directed almost the entire movie in the title? How dare they!

The posts when JL was being praised on Twitter were the best. "It's Snyder's movie! They better not give Joss credit for this! This is Snyder's Justice League!!!"

Fast forward 2 months... "The audacity to put his name in the titles is astounding."

I'd edit out the gif, it has a profanity in it.

 

[JOE]

I'd edit out the gif, it has a profanity in it.

Thanks for the heads up, didn't even see that in the corner lol!

 

[JOE]

There was a great Twitter thread discussing what happened and what was WB's mindset going into the DCEU, and the thing is, it makes sense on paper. As we've seen the end result was not what WB was hoping for, but yeah, back in 2012 when they were working on Man of Steel it's easy to see why they thought this would work.

They'd found mass critical acclaim and box office success in getting an auteur director to do a dark, gritty and deconstructionist take on Batman, and thought getting an auteur director to do a dark, gritty and deconstructionist take on Superman would be another home run, especially with Nolan back as a producer.

There was a really great rundown of the situation here.
https://***********/acidic_heart/status/932348475756466176?lang=en

This is one of the best things I've read regarding the DCeU. Great find!