Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 5

[I Am The Knight]

Or maybe we're not cradling Zack's balls, that could be it as well.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Or maybe we're not cradling Zack's balls, that could be it as well.

Are you saying I am?

 

[Patchwork Man]

^Oh, look, it's "Me, too." How's your Rambone boxset?

 

[I Am The Knight]

^Oh, look, it's "Me, too." How's your Rambone boxset?

It's okay honey, you can proceed with your meltdown

 

[Patchwork Man]

It's okay honey, you can proceed with your meltdown

Dude, buff those discs. Scuff marks aren't good. They won't play after a while.

 

[Flint Marko]

Let's tone down the snark, guys.

I've seen the movie. I don't particularly like it but that doesn't even matter.

Personal preferences aside, let's look at the simple fact that WB threw an exorbitant amount of money into retooling this and draw the most reasonable conclusion: something was wrong with this movie. So wrong, in fact, that they felt it was worth opening the coffers back up and ballooning the budget in ways that they'll likely never publicly disclose.

You don't do that unless you feel you absolutely need to. I'm beyond confident that Snyder's cut would have been more coherent and aesthetically consistent, but clearly it didn't play.

 

[Patchwork Man]

I've seen the movie.

Did you like what Joss added/changed?

 

[Playco Armboy]

Zack gave us that corny ****ing World Without Hope montage at the beginning and a bunch of uninteresting, rote, flavorless CGI action sequences with no edge or creative thought put into them.

Whedon gave us the Aquaman lasso scene plus the Flash-lying-on-Diana crap.

They're equally bad.

 

[JOE]

The whole Joss/Zack argument will never be valid until we see a cut before Joss was brought in. By the looks of it that isn’t happening, so there’s no end to that argument. Why even bother?

 

[Flint Marko]

Did you like what Joss added/changed?

Aside from some awful jokes (that thirsty joke gave me nightmares) I really don't know what exact details he added or changed.

What I did like about JL, more than any other DCEU film sans WW, were the character interactions and the team dynamic. It wasn't perfect but for the first time I felt that I was looking at characters with an actual interior life and personality. That hasn't happened yet in this franchise other than WW. So yes, Whedon's additions were a net positive for me given how cold and lifeless I've found this world to be thus far and how, warts and all, there were moments in JL that actually worked for me.

But like I said, our personal preferences don't change the logic behind my statement. WB broke the bank on this movie because they clearly felt they needed to, not because they wanted to.

 

[samsnee]

All I know is that Snyder got his vision with MoS and BvS (director cut) and I didn’t like either so I highly doubt JL would have been much of an improvement.

 

[FunkMiller]

I wish some people would take a breath, step away, and go read up on how and where a movie makes its money. I suggest popping over to Box Office Theory, where their forums have some great faqs about how money is spent, earned, and where it all goes.

If Justice League makes under 650 million dollars at the worldwide box office, WB - and the Hollywood community - will label it as a disaster.

It’s a 100 million dollar write off right out of the gate. And even with ancillaries, they will make a loss on this movie going forward, because the profits take a very, very long time to all trickle through. Certainly in this financial year, Justice League will be a big red cross in the profits column, when the annual report is given to shareholders and investors.

Spin all you like, argue all you like, make justifications all you like... this movie is going to be seen by the money men as nothing more than an abject failure, if it doesn’t get above 650.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Aside from some awful jokes (that thirsty joke gave me nightmares) I really don't know what exact details he added or changed.

A couple pages back I posted a partial list, and there are noticeable changes between even the early trailers and finished movie. The bad jokes are no doubt Whedon's. Zack did have Barry draw on the guy's face with Sharpie (loved that bit) and (not sure who added it) Alfred's quip "Looks like you've got a date, Diana — at least somebody does!" was a good jab at Bruce (who had gone to find Barry). You can find a list of all the deleted/changed scenes on the DCEU Reddit, but I doubt it's exhaustive. There was a scene filmed with Bruce and two Lanterns, that didn't get sent to post because it was cut for time early on.

 

[Patchwork Man]

Spin all you like, argue all you like, make justifications all you like... this movie is going to be seen by the money men as nothing more than an abject failure, if it doesn’t get above 650.

I doubt anyone will argue that.

 

[Flint Marko]

There was a scene filmed with Bruce and two Lanterns, that didn't get sent to post because it was cut for time early on.

Whoa, didn't know that.

I have heard bits and pieces of other stuff that they filmed and I'm getting the impression that Snyder's cut suffered from extensive world-building.

 

[007]

Zack gave us that corny ****ing World Without Hope montage at the beginning and a bunch of uninteresting, rote, flavorless CGI action sequences with no edge or creative thought put into them.

Whedon gave us the Aquaman lasso scene plus the Flash-lying-on-Diana crap.

They're equally bad.

That aquaman scene and flash scene were two of the 3 only funny bits of the film.

Snyder gave us 3 poor films on the spin.

 

[jmc]

It's not going to surprise me if that $300m figure was the conservative number. I suspect in the coming years we will find out more about this production and just how much it actually cost, as well as all the drama surrounding the DC film universe.

Anyway what's done is done, the movie is going to come up well short of expectations. Anyone who thinks it an acceptable figure are not being honest with themselves about the situation. Even if it somehow manages to find enough loose change behind the couch to break even the result is still a humiliation to the DC brand being toppled by Ragnarok. And not just a few million between them, the difference is going to be at least $100m between the two films. Probably the least loved of the MCU franchise dominates the All-Star DC film. That's the story coming out of this.

This film was in a no-win situation. Scheduled to begin production 2 weeks after its predecessor was released to scathing reviews and horrible audience reaction, a film that was already coming off a divisive movie that started it all. This might be one of the most poorly thought out franchises in cinema history. The only other series I can see that comes close to being this dysfunctional and mismanaged is the Hobbit trilogy, which probably had a more difficult production yet still managed to produce ok movies.

 

[Iceman]

At least they all made in the region of a billion.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Aside from some awful jokes (that thirsty joke gave me nightmares) I really don't know what exact details he added or changed.

What I did like about JL, more than any other DCEU film sans WW, were the character interactions and the team dynamic. It wasn't perfect but for the first time I felt that I was looking at characters with an actual interior life and personality. That hasn't happened yet in this franchise other than WW. So yes, Whedon's additions were a net positive for me given how cold and lifeless I've found this world to be thus far and how, warts and all, there were moments in JL that actually worked for me.

But like I said, our personal preferences don't change the logic behind my statement. WB broke the bank on this movie because they clearly felt they needed to, not because they wanted to.

Indeed. Clearly they always saw potential in Snyder to allow him to try again and again, and had he delivered the movie they needed after the BvS debacle (or apparently simply deliver a good movie) they wouldn't have felt the need to alter JL with a director who is the polar opposite of the man.

 

[Erzengel]

So everybody is going to be wrong in this poll?

 

[Greenlite]

If JL is a critical and financial disaster, Green Lantern is....?

 

[Erzengel]

Was GL suppose to be a $1B movie?

 

[Flint Marko]

If JL is a critical and financial disaster, Green Lantern is....?

A critical and financial disaster.

 

[MbJ]

So everybody is going to be wrong in this poll?

In my wildest dreams I seriously never thought the movie'd do this bad. For weeks I was telling people in the Ragnarok thread who were saying it'd best JL to temper those expectations. Between that and Coco I guess the takeaway here is don't bet against the mouse.

If JL is a critical and financial disaster, Green Lantern is....?

A footnote. It was not the most expensive superhero film of all time, nor was it meant to be the culmination of four years worth of a shared universe.

 

[Playco Armboy]

At least they all made in the region of a billion.

They as in?