Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

[divan]

I like MOS. It's a flawed introduction to Superman and the third act is the weakest but it had some positive foundations to build from. First of all - No Batman/Superman movie. Give us a MOS2 to course-correct the character without the baggage of having to share the spotlight with another hero. Metropolis was his mistake, so let us watch him correcting it. Second, no teenage, testosterone-filled, emotionally stunted "mangst" - The world is a complicated place sure, but Superman can learn to raise above that: He's a helper, not a warrior and his weapon is example. MOS2 should have been about Clark leaving the circular reasoning he was trapped inside the last movie, and rejecting Pa Kent's selfish philosophy to become, well, Superman, someone capable of putting other's needs above himself's and not needing a psychiatrist for that. Third, just don't kill him in his second movie.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, those sound about right.

700-800 would be great for Aquaman or Shazam.

WW2 "should" be north of $850M.

 

[FunkMiller]

Infinity War is about to come close to outgrossing Justice League in one weekend.

I remember some people made the argument that Justice League didn't do better because of superhero fatigue...

We as DC fans have every right to be comprehensively embarrassed by what's been done to our favourite brand in the past five years. And those responsible should be equally as ashamed. Marvel have proved that the audience for well made, well thought-out, and well marketed superhero movies is absolutely enormous.

And things are not going to change any time in the near future. DC has by far and away the better source material, and it makes me sick that it's been so mishandled, mistreated and abused by a group of individuals who put money, and their own agendas ahead of doing these characters justice.

 

[Johnglen]

I remember some people made the argument that Justice League didn't do better because of superhero fatigue...

We as DC fans have every right to be comprehensively embarrassed by what's been done to our favourite brand in the past five years. And those responsible should be equally as ashamed. Marvel have proved that the audience for well made, well thought-out, and well marketed superhero movies is absolutely enormous.

And things are not going to change any time in the near future. DC has by far and away the better source material, and it makes me sick that it's been so mishandled, mistreated and abused by a group of individuals who put money, and their own agendas ahead of doing these characters justice.

Honest question, how does dc has by far and away the better source material ? Apart from Batman , all dc has is weirdos god-like creatures as superheroes that operate on fantastical cities with no connection to reality. Meanwhile marvel has touched matters like racism, alcoholic and drug addiction, insanity, financial issues, totalitarian regimes (in real countries) e.t.c in its comics throughout the years.

 

[Black Narcissus]

lol

I could never be embarrassed over something I have no say about. That is hyperbole to me.

 

[FunkMiller]

Honest question, how does dc has by far and away the better source material ? Apart from Batman , all dc has is weirdos god-like creatures as superheroes that operate on fantastical cities with no connection to reality. Meanwhile marvel has touched matters like racism, alcoholic and drug addiction, insanity, financial issues, totalitarian regimes (in real countries) e.t.c in its comics throughout the years.

Well, it is responsible for the creation of every superhero archetype you know. It may not seem like it at the moment due to Marvel's rampant (and well deserved success) but most of their characters are reflections of DC's. No Darkseid, no Thanos, for instance. Also, if you don't think that DC have tackled subjects like racism, alcoholism and drug addiction, then I suggest you go and look at a lot of Denny O'Neil's and Neal Adams work.

I don't have time or the inclination to go deeply into this, but when it comes to creating superhero archetypes, and building strong and compelling narratives - DC kinda got there first nearly every time.

 

[-Arya-]

Honest question, how does dc has by far and away the better source material ? Apart from Batman , all dc has is weirdos god-like creatures as superheroes that operate on fantastical cities with no connection to reality. Meanwhile marvel has touched matters like racism, alcoholic and drug addiction, insanity, financial issues, totalitarian regimes (in real countries) e.t.c in its comics throughout the years.

DC stories have touched on those topics as well. Read Mike Grell's Green Arrow and Dennis O'Neil's The Question

 

[JerseyJoker]

Superhero fatigue exists when studios put out a consistent stream of subpar films just because "Comic book movies do well" and then flood the market with trash.

Last year, JL was the only negative both critical and box office Comic book film that came out. 2017 probably was at its point the strongest year for Superhero films as a whole.

And DC was in part for two of those movies Lego Batman and Wonder Woman, there was no fatigue when those two movies did terrific.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Infinity War is about to come close to outgrossing Justice League in one weekend.

Big ****ing deal.

 

[JerseyJoker]

Big ****ing deal.

Right? I can't believe how big IW is doing either. I think a solid, but strong outing by Shazam and Aquaman before WW 2 can do enough good will with the public to put DC on track tho.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Last year, JL was the only negative both critical and box office Comic book film that came out. 2017 probably was at its point the strongest year for Superhero films as a whole.

You forgot about Kingsman2.

Also, they didn't show any Hellboy footage at cinemacon. Hmmm.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Right? I can't believe how big IW is doing either. I think a solid, but strong outing by Shazam and Aquaman before WW 2 can do enough good will with the public to put DC on track tho.

If this was your attempt to be funny, it's not successful. Plenty of DC fans were excited about IW and happy about its success, so I don't quite understand what you're trying to do by pointing out that it almost made more in one weekend than JL in its entire run. Is this your way of trying to stick it to DC fans for literally no reason.

 

[The Joker]

Infinity War is about to come close to outgrossing Justice League in one weekend.

A fact I find both hilarious and satisfactory.

Is this your way of trying to stick it to DC fans for literally no reason.

I'd say its a way to stick to WB for delivering such a messy half baked cinematic universe.

 

[KalvinEllis]

I guess I got an answer to my question. The maturity level on this thread is truly something to behold.

 

[Creo]

Well, it is responsible for the creation of every superhero archetype you know. It may not seem like it at the moment due to Marvel's rampant (and well deserved success) but most of their characters are reflections of DC's. No Darkseid, no Thanos, for instance. Also, if you don't think that DC have tackled subjects like racism, alcoholism and drug addiction, then I suggest you go and look at a lot of Denny O'Neil's and Neal Adams work.

I don't have time or the inclination to go deeply into this, but when it comes to creating superhero archetypes, and building strong and compelling narratives - DC kinda got there first nearly every time.

I'm not really sure what doing something first has to do with having more quality. By that logic, DC movies should be trouncing the MCU as they were doing it way before.
Giving them credit for more originality or doing something first, sure. Then again, there were thousands of years of heroes before them, so they're not really that original either.

If your prefer the stories, great. But coming out first has no bearing on quality. I personally find DC pretty boring most of the time, and much prefer Marvel. It's all subjective.

 

[KalvinEllis]

I'd say its a way to stick to WB for delivering such a messy half baked cinematic universe.

Then by all means go to WB's twitter and make fun of them for it. From what I've seen, people here not only don't seem to mind IW making all those money, but some have seen it at least 3 times by now.

 

[The Joker]

Then by all means go to WB's twitter and make fun of them for it. From what I've seen, people here not only don't seem to mind IW making all those money, but some have seen it at least 3 times by now.

Why should people need to go to WB's twitter for that? Why can't they express that enjoyment right here at how WB's very inferior product is being shown up by the competition? Because it personally irks you to see that fact pointed out?

If you don't like it, then you have two options; leave the thread, or put those discussing it on ignore. This is a public message board. People can express their views as long as they are not offensive or breaching any rules here. Pointing out JL's considerable failure at the box office in comparison to the MCU's superhero team doesn't break any rules or forum etiquette.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Why should people need to go to WB's twitter for that? Why can't they express that enjoyment right here at how WB's very inferior product is being shown up by the competition? Because it personally irks you to see that fact pointed out?

If you don't like it, then you have two options; leave the thread, or put those discussing it on ignore. This is a public message board. People can express their views as long as they are not offensive or breaching any rules here. Pointing out JL's considerable failure at the box office in comparison to the the MCU's superhero team doesn't break any rules or forum etiquette.

JL's failure has been pointed out time and time again and we've all accepted it long ago. There's nothing to achieve by coming to this thread to specifically brag about how much better your favorite franchise is doing over another franchise that otherwise you act like isn't even worth your attention. I'm not saying you're breaking any forum rules, I'm asking you to grow up.

 

[The Joker]

JL's performance has been pointed out time and time again. There's nothing to achieve by coming to this thread to brag about how much better your favorite franchise is doing over another franchise that otherwise you act like isn't even worth your attention.

If people stopped discussing things that have been mentioned here time and again, then this forum would be a ghost town. Nobody is trying to "achieve" anything by pointing out a new fact regarding IW. It's a new example of how badly WB screwed up with their latest endeavor. Those are the sort of numbers cinematic titans like Batman and Superman should be making.

Had the shoe been on the other foot, it would be pointed out in the MCU threads. And people would be every bit as valid to do so.

Grow up.

You should take your own advice.

 

[KalvinEllis]

If people stopped discussing things that have been mentioned here time and again, then this forum would be a ghost town. Nobody is trying to "achieve" anything by pointing out a new fact regarding IW. It's a new example of how badly WB screwed up with their latest endeavor. Those are the sort of numbers cinematic titans like Batman and Superman should be making.

The rule of the biggest heroes doing the biggest numbers hasn't existed for many years. There was once a time the two most popular Marvel heroes were Spidey and Hulk. Despite the former's enormous success on film, he still has two of the most atrocious cbm ever and the latter didn't exactly set the world on fire with either of his standalone features. Yet when all is said and done, in time it seemed to work for the better for both of them. Not because of their popularity, but because the right people handled them. Batman and Superman being cultural icons means nothing if they're not handled the right way as well, so your facts are redundant in this instance.

Had the shoe been on the other foot, it would be pointed out in the MCU threads. And people would be every bit as valid to do so.

Which is another example of the severe lack of maturity among some cbm fans. When TDK came out I never felt the need to shove its success in anyone's face, I was merely hoping there would be other comic book films in the future that would be just as critically and commercially successful as it was, or more. Lo and behold, that's what happened.

You should take your own advice.

I don't have to, I'm not the one trying to stick it to other fans for no reason.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Kal-El, please take The Joker's advice and ignore his posts. His plan is not to annoy people here, he wants to discuss how the box office grossing of this movie reflects the failure of the disappointing movie in what is a disappointing franchise so far.

Disappointed fans who point out why the world building and story failed are among the many critics executives need to listen to in order to face facts about their problems, and maybe start from scratch with better planning.

 

[The Batman]

Honest question, how does dc has by far and away the better source material ?

Instead of peddling the same outdated cliches about DC characters, why don't you actually do some basic research on DC characters that aren't Batman? Wikipedia and Google are your friends.

And for one thing, Marvel has nothing as critically acclaimed and transcendent as Watchmen or The Dark Knight Returns.

 

[The Joker]

The rule of the biggest heroes doing the biggest numbers hasn't existed for many years. There was once a time the two most popular Marvel heroes were Spidey and Hulk. Despite the former's enormous success on film, he still has two of the most atrocious cbm ever and the latter didn't exactly set the world on fire in both of his standalone features. Yet when all is said and done, in time it seemed to work for the better for both of them. Not because of their popularity, but because the right people handled them. Batman and Superman being cultural icons means nothing if they're not handled the right way as well, so your "facts" are redundant in this instance.

I'm well aware that it's all about how they are handled. You are proving my whole entire point. For example, Spider-Man was recovering from the stigma of the awful TASM movies. Much like Batman Begins had to after the Schumacher crap fests. And Spidey's recent stand alone made a whopping 880 million. Not bad for a hero who's name was mud at the movies just 3 years earlier. Batman went on to make two movies that each netted a billion each.

But lets not pretend brand recognition is not a huge marketing factor to gauge interest. A movie that has Batman, Spider-Man, Superman etc is enough to get bums in seats because of their popularity status alone. Whether said movies can keep getting people to come back.....that's another story.

How did Batman go from being a billion dollar power house to struggling to get to 600 mil after 17 weeks? Rhetorical question. We know the answer why.

Which is another example of the severe lack of maturity among some cbm fans. When TDK came out I never felt the need to shove its success in anyone's face, I was merely hoping there would be other movies in the future that would be just as critically and commercially successful as it was, or more. Lo and behold, that's what happened.

That is not a lack of maturity. When TDK came out, Batman fans had every right to brag about its success. Why is it immature to brag about success? It was a quality movie. It earned it. Shout it from the rooftops. Its a movie worth bragging about.

People don't want CBMs to suck. Especially ones about characters they love. Take myself for example. Look at my username, my avatar etc. I am obviously a DC fan. But I absolutely loathe Batfleck, Jared Leto's Joker, and the DCEU in general (with the exception of WW which I thought was really good). Do you think I, or fans like me, enjoy saying my favorite characters are in crap movies? You think that is a fun situation to be in as a fan?

People want good CBMs. It's a not a DC vs Marvel war. Show me posts where there was a consensus that begrudged WW's quality and success for example. There was none. When people point out how badly JL under performed in comparison to a movie that is its equivalent, its showing how badly WB has messed up.

I don't have to, I'm not the one trying to stick it to other fans for no reason.

You're the only one here with that chip on your shoulder. Coming in here chastising people for posting facts that are not insulting, offensive, or in any way trying to stick it to anyone here.

If anything, you're the one breaching rules for chastising people for posting facts simply because they irk you. This is your own personal hang up.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Instead of peddling the same outdated cliches about DC characters, why don't you actually do some basic research on DC characters that aren't Batman? Wikipedia and Google are your friends.

And for one thing, Marvel has nothing as critically acclaimed and transcendent as Watchmen or The Dark Knight Returns.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Kal-El, please take The Joker's advice and ignore his posts. His plan is not to annoy people here, he wants to discuss how the box office grossing of this movie reflects the failure of the disappointing movie in what is a disappointing franchise so far.

Disappointed fans who point out why the world building and story failed are among the many critics executives need to listen to in order to face facts about their problems, and maybe start from scratch with better planning.

Fair enough, if that's what this is about then I'm sorry if it looked like I jumped on him, I just don't get what good does it do to keep bringing up JL's failure in reference to other movies' success.