Justice League Justice League Box Office Prediction - Part 7

[Superchan]

Agreed. My point was that other IP's can make a billion a lot easier than Superman can right now.

You mean like combining superman and batman in one movie or maybe a batman led JL movie?
WB and the DCEU have proven that making a billion requires quality not just merely the brand name of an IP.
There is no way in hell a superman movie right now would make a billion no matter how good it is! However a great superman movie can make 800 million + and re-establishes faith in the brand that hasn't had a break since 1981. If and when that's done, a great sequel to said successful superman movie can make a billion. That's how it worked with Nolan's batman and that's who its working with Marvel.

 

[FunkMiller]

You can keep your childhood nostalgia, which is foreign to me. I prefer a balance. No, I do not believe we have gotten the proper balance yet in any of the recent films either.

It’s not childhood nostalgia. It’s wanting the comic characters brought to life properly, without trying to be clever and ‘doing something different’.

That method has utterly failed, whereas staying true to the comic counterpart has been a roaring success. You only have to look at the fortunes of DC and Marvel to see how true that is.

Just make the red panties a darker shade of red, man.

And this perfectly encapsulates the whole issue. What’s wrong with the bright red pants? Why are they any different from Diana’s little skirt, Cap’s silly big A on his forehead or Spidey’s childlike spider on the back?

It’s this kind of embarrassment of the source material that gets us Zack Snyder’s ‘vision’.

 

[titansupes]

No. Balance is ********. I want the characters I grew up with. I want the characters that have been selling comic books for decades. I want movies that are true to the comic. I want superhero movies to be about proper superheroes. Stop this idiotic and constant attempt to move comic book superheroes away from their accepted core traits and personalities. It. Doesn’t. Work.

This bizarre sense of shame everyone at WB seems to have about their DC characters needs to ****ing go away now. Marvel and Disney are proud of their characters. And it shows. WB are still stuck in the mentality of the 90s - comic book characters are dumb, for kids, and need changing to make them ‘serious’ and okay for the mainstream cinema universe. They need to be made gritty and dark and ‘cool’. Utterly ****ing stupid.

It’s not childhood nostalgia. It’s wanting the comic characters brought to life properly, without trying to be clever and ‘doing something different’.

That method has utterly failed, whereas staying true to the comic counterpart has been a roaring success. You only have to look at the fortunes of DC and Marvel to see how true that is.



And this perfectly encapsulates the whole issue. What’s wrong with the bright red pants? Why are they any different from Diana’s little skirt, Cap’s silly big A on his forehead or Spidey’s childlike spider on the back?

It’s this kind of embarrassment of the source material that gets us Zack Snyder’s ‘vision’.

 

[Iceman]

It’s not childhood nostalgia. It’s wanting the comic characters brought to life properly, without trying to be clever and ‘doing something different’.

That method has utterly failed, whereas staying true to the comic counterpart has been a roaring success. You only have to look at the fortunes of DC and Marvel to see how true that is.



And this perfectly encapsulates the whole issue. What’s wrong with the bright red pants? Why are they any different from Diana’s little skirt, Cap’s silly big A on his forehead or Spidey’s childlike spider on the back?

It’s this kind of embarrassment of the source material that gets us Zack Snyder’s ‘vision’.

I want classic Supes and as you said before, now is the perfect time for that type of hero IMO. We need a noble hero who is a great example to all. I can live with changing the red pants though. It's not the pants that make him who he is.

 

[samsnee]

Superman could have worn his red tighties and it still wouldn’t have improved any of the Snyder films.

 

[technobot]

Count me in for "traditional" Superman. I don't need to a superhero movie to see gray or dark, all I have to do for that fix is read/watch/hear about the latest news. Can't speak for anyone else but movies are an outlet for me. Yes, they can and should make you think, but to me the whole idea of "what if Superman was in our world" is more than a little pretentious. The idea of the character is ridiculous, and pure science fantasy.

I'm sick of the Jesus parallels as well. Why can't Superman just be a really good/nice guy? Who grew up that way because he had INCREDIBLE HUMAN BEINGS surrounding him, who showed him the way. He had hall of fame parents, he had great friends, he was surrounded by a wonderful community (of whom some know about his secret, but would die before letting outsiders know). Of course he would grow up to help people! Everyone above me put it better but in today's world, going to hell in a handbasket, with an entire generation or two dedicated to the ideals of "me first", "whatever I want is the most important thing in the world, f'k everyone else"... a movie about a guy with incredible, incalculable powers and who instead uses this for everyone else's betterment and benefit? Sounds great to me, but a little too wholesome for others, I guess.

Yes, I'm showing my age and it's more than a little "old-fashioned" but I already got my fill of a Superman who was prevented by his adopted parents from doing "anything" with his powers and encouraged to just hide in the shadows... seriously what kind of child were they raising? And for the encore, BvS had a wonderful takeaway that if anything were to happen to Lois? Superman would say to hell with this piece of feces planet, I'll burn it to the ground! Everyone is entitled to their opinion but what was so wrong with Pa Kent telling young Clark that "YOU ARE HERE FOR A REASON! I DON'T KNOW WHOSE REASON, OR WHATEVER THE REASON IS... BUT I DO KNOW ONE THING. IT'S NOT TO SCORE TOUCHDOWNS!" Why was that message so offensive? Maybe I read too much into it but my takeaway is his powers are a metaphor for having the means, whether its wealth or political influence, to use those means for something other than to enrich yourself. To go one step further and help those who need help.

You can have your cake and eat it too. Have a Superman who is Grant Morrison All-Star Superman level type powerful. But challenge his mind and his morals! He's a reporter, right? And a damn good one, too? What is the dark path, the quick and easy solution for a character like this? To simply barge in and smash all of Luthor's businesses to the ground, because he "knows" Luthor is guilty! But wait, that's not what Superman stands for, correct? He has to *PROVE* that Luthor or whoever was guilty. He has to allow due process to run its course and have Luthor or whatever villain punished justly and fairly.

Or have him fight Braniac and minions for 2 hours. I don't write this stuff, for obvious reasons. But what is so hard about a 3 movie arc which starts with Clark figuring out (through deduction and investigation) that Luthor is not just dirty, but criminally so. And his frustrations at not being able to do anything about it, but working with Lois to bring Luthor down "the right way". With the payoff in the third movie that they finally bring his ass down, but they did it legit and by the book, with the public behind it. And Clark revealing his big secret, and Lois saying "I figured that out in the first movie, genius"... she is the world's greatest reporter, after all (seriously, something Snyder did that I loved).

I feel recent iterations of Batman have missed this part, and the Superman movies completely ignored it: investigation, research, deduction, unraveling the mystery. And WB is missing the glue that to me makes the Justice League work as a team... most of the members look up to and revere Clark, because although he is the most powerful he is the most selfless and giving. Plus he's a really swell guy and people just like him. I know, how lame. What we really need is an edgelord Superman...

 

[SgtRob]

Uncle Ben: With great power comes great responsibility.
Aunt May: There is a hero in all of us.

"Ma Kent": You don't owe these people a thing.
"Pa Kent": Maybe.

It shows much more strength and character to have heroes act in accordance w a strong moral code, than to twist in the wind and see everything as gray.

 

[Kanon]

Uncle Ben: With great power comes great responsibility.
Aunt May: There is a hero in all of us.

"Ma Kent": You don't owe these people a thing.
"Pa Kent": Maybe.

It shows much more strength and character to have heroes act in accordance w a strong moral code, than to twist in the wind and see everything as gray.

When discussing Cloverfield Paradox recently, pointing flaws and plotholes, and such, someone replied something like "don't you understand it's just a movie? It's not real life, It doesn't have to make sense", which is hilarious. Because it is a movie is that it has to be "better" than real life (more interesting, has to make sense, be special). It is designed and built to be something. It doesn't make sense to require realism in the sense of things happening for no reason, or things not working out the way you want it. Even less in a movie about a hero, whose purpose it's to overcome obstacles. A superhero like Superman, or other superheores, can't afford a story in which he constantly fails, or takes the easy way out. It's supposed to be exceptional, he is supposed to do what we all would like to do. He has to be admirable.

EDIT: All of this, regarding if there is a place for classic boy scout Superman in the current world. As long as people don't develop superpowers like Supes and becomes commonplace, or there is corruption in the world, there is a place for classic Superman, the one that can be the best, no matter how much you test him.

 

[Limonade]

When discussing Cloverfield Paradox recently, pointing flaws and plotholes, and such, someone replied something like "don't you understand it's just a movie? It's not real life, It doesn't have to make sense", which is hilarious. Because it is a movie is that it has to be "better" than real life (more interesting, has to make sense, be special). It is designed and built to be something. It doesn't make sense to require realism in the sense of things happening for no reason, or things not working out the way you want it. Even less in a movie about a hero, whose purpose it's to overcome obstacles. A superhero like Superman, or other superheores, can't afford a story in which he constantly fails, or takes the easy way out. It's supposed to be exceptional, he is supposed to do what we all would like to do. He has to be admirable.

EDIT: All of this, regarding if there is a place for classic boy scout Superman in the current world. As long as people don't develop superpowers like Supes and becomes commonplace, or there is corruption in the world, there is a place for classic Superman, the one that can be the best, no matter how much you test him.

Well said.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Why can't Superman just be a really good/nice guy? Who grew up that way because he had INCREDIBLE HUMAN BEINGS surrounding him, who showed him the way.

superman right now

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yeah. Just like Tchalla. Who is a noble and decent guy with no shades of grey. Marvel has two of them now.

 

[FunkMiller]

Yeah. Just like Tchalla. Who is a noble and decent guy with no shades of grey. Marvel has two of them now.

Yes. It’s extremely frustrating. This cretinous attitude that Superman has to be ‘updated’ so the audience will like him is one of the largest falsehoods I’ve ever come across in the movie industry. It’s like WB is beholden to a small selection of basement dwelling teen boys, who don’t think Superman is ‘cool’ enough, and needs to be made into something he isn’t, and never should be.

And don’t get me started on the fact he’s the ultimate immigrant - something that would have great impact in this day and age, and yet they continue with the ******** Jesus Christ allegory.

 

[Black Narcissus]

It’s not childhood nostalgia. It’s wanting the comic characters brought to life properly, without trying to be clever and ‘doing something different’.

That method has utterly failed, whereas staying true to the comic counterpart has been a roaring success. You only have to look at the fortunes of DC and Marvel to see how true that is.



And this perfectly encapsulates the whole issue. What’s wrong with the bright red pants? Why are they any different from Diana’s little skirt, Cap’s silly big A on his forehead or Spidey’s childlike spider on the back?

It’s this kind of embarrassment of the source material that gets us Zack Snyder’s ‘vision’.

Sorry, just not a fan of the red underwear. We are never going to agree on this.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

I really don't want the red underwear now that it's gone

put something red down there like a belt or accents but not underwear

or find someway to make it look cool

 

[Black Narcissus]

MOS suit is near perfect.

 

[markjoedelonge]

It's not about the costume. It's about a characterization that resonates with people.

 

[MbJ]

Yeah I really don't think the undies are what turned people off of this iteration of the character. I don't know why it always comes back to the underwear.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

It's a deflection from the actual problems with these films.

Also its a way to discredit legit criticisms as superficial and based on nostalgia. As ridiculous as the "you just dont get visionary auteur Zack Snyders work" argument.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Or one simply just never liked it to begin with and there is no deflection. Simple as that.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Ok fine that too...

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

MoS suit was perfect. You can have a happy-go-lucky Superman flick with him wearing the MoS suit.

 

[markjoedelonge]

MoS suit was perfect. You can have a happy-go-lucky Superman flick with him wearing the MoS suit.

Might be a bit difficult to draw audiences back with the exact same suit since they might associate it with BVS or JL. So maybe some minor tweaking, like a red belt from his Rebirth design. But yeah, the MOS suit is a thing of beauty. One of the best live-action superhero suits I've seen.

 

[Tra-El]

MOS suit is near perfect.

 

[Flint Marko]

Agreed about the MoS suit.

Why they ditched that to go with the ridiculous muscle padding, I'll never know.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Agreed about the MoS suit.

Why they ditched that to go with the ridiculous muscle padding, I'll never know.

And poor Cavill was already jacked to absurd proportions. A waste of hgh.