Konohagakure(Leaf village) vs. the Jedi Order

[Ultra-Herald9]

VS.



Their powers or close enough to keep the fights fair.....yet
different enough to keep the fights interesting!

Also when I say Jedi I mean the clone wars roster(Anakin,Obi,Mace,Yoda). Also the jedi are on clone wars the series levels of strength(which is their actual strength but i'm just making sure people don't get confused). I do this because my friend and I debate this alot and both of us agree that its a close call.

I'm curious to see what other people think.....t: t:

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I hope this hasn't been done before.....

 

[CBG]

Movies, cartoons, or novels?

Novel Jedi are insane, I'll tell you now.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Movies, cartoons, or novels?

Novel Jedi are insane, I'll tell you now.

Yep! Luke in the novels is like a force god! so i'll go with movie and cartoon feats. Actually nevermind....ALL FEATS COUNT!

 

[Sloth7d]

I got my money on the ninjas of Konoha personally.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I got my money on the ninjas of Konoha personally.

awesome! All opinions are excepted! I persononally say that the Jedi would win this one but it won't be an easy battle!

 

[Sloth7d]

I mainly think so because Rocklee would give several jedi a hardtime by himself. Add Konoha residents like Gai, Kakashi, or the third Hokage and the fight isn't even fair.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I mainly think so because Rocklee would give several jedi a hardtime by himself. Add Konoha residents like Gai, Kakashi, or the third Hokage and the fight isn't even fair.

Mehhhh......I don't know if Rock Lee would be that much trouble he could take out some of the lesser experieced jedi though. The force is the great equalizer! With it they can hold Rock Lee in place with a force hold.

Plus most jedi can react at extremely fast speeds! They can easily deflect blaster bolts so I don't see Lee giving them that much troble. How would Lee defend against their lightsaber parries?

Anakin and Obi could easily take Gai and Kakashi! And Yoda could easily stand to the third!

 

[Sloth7d]

Mehhhh......I don't know if Rock Lee would be that much trouble he could take out some of the lesser experieced jedi though. The force is the great equalizer! With it they can hold Rock Lee in place with a force hold.

Plus most jedi can react at extremely fast speeds! They can easily deflect blaster bolts so I don't see Lee giving them that much troble. How would Lee defend against their lightsaber parries?

Anakin and Obi could easily take Gai and Kakashi! And Yoda could easily stand to the third!

I never saw the jedi moving faster than the eye can see. And thats something that RockLee can do with ease once he removes his training weights. Not to mention Gai is even faster than him. Obi would be seriously outclassed by speed and strenth.

Yeah, the force can stop someone dead in their tracks, but wouldn't they have to aim for the target. Everytime I saw them use the force that way, it looks like they send out an invisible wave with extreme force. Which makes me believe they have to aim at the target. And Rocklee can move faster than the eye can see. So if they can't hit him, how would they beat him?
Kakashi and his sharigan are more than enough to predict and copy Anakins move set if he tends to be a problem. Not to mention he has over 1000 techniques at his disposal. One of which is the chidori. A technique that can cut through any thing.

And Yoda vs the third.....
I'm going to have to ask you if you saw the battle between the third and Orochimaru on that one.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I never saw the jedi moving faster than the eye can see. And thats something that RockLee can do with ease once he removes his training weights. Not to mention Gai is even faster than him. Obi would be seriously outclassed by speed and strenth.

Yeah, the force can stop someone dead in their tracks, but wouldn't they have to aim for the target. Everytime I saw them use the force that way, it looks like they send out an invisible wave with extreme force. Which makes me believe they have to aim at the target. And Rocklee can move faster than the eye can see. So if they can't hit him, how would they beat him?
Kakashi and his sharigan are more than enough to predict and copy Anakins move set if he tends to be a problem. Not to mention he has over 1000 techniques at his disposal. One of which is the chidori. A technique that can cut through any thing.

And Yoda vs the third.....
I'm going to have to ask you if you saw the battle between the third and Orochimaru on that one.

The jedi have moved faster than the blink of an eye plenty of times.

I have seen the battle between the third and Orochimaru but.....yoda is insanely powerful!

Kakashi can't copy Anakins most powerful moves cause his moves require use of the force. And one has to have Potential(midi-chlorians) and thorough training! Using the Chidori takes time and he won't have much against Anakin! He'd just keep force pushing him.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Jedi also are trained to not use their eyes! They rely on the force to guide thier next move. They have mild precognition abilities which the use to defend themselves.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Look at how fast they are. And these are lower level jedi......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExe6sB5Tmo&mode=related&search=

 

[Sloth7d]

The jedi have moved faster than the blink of an eye plenty of times.

I have seen the battle between the third and Orochimaru but.....yoda is insanely powerful!

Kakashi can't copy Anakins most powerful moves cause his moves require use of the force. And one has to have Potential(midi-chlorians) and thorough training! Using the Chidori takes time and he won't have much against Anakin! He'd just keep force pushing him.

When have the Jedi ever moved faster than the blink of an eye?
And when I said copy his moves. I meant his fighting style. Once he memorises it, he can easily anticipate Anakins attacks and counter accordingly.
And all Kakashi would have to do to buy time for the chidori is use the water dopple ganger jutsu to confuse Anakin long enough to get it ready(even though I doubt he'd need the chidori).
And I doubt Yoda can take on the Hokage and all his water and fire missle jutsus. Or could he take on the 3rd and his summon(that gorilla, I forget its name) at the same time.

 

[Sloth7d]

Look at how fast they are. And these are lower level jedi......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eExe6sB5Tmo&mode=related&search=

What? Thats not faster than the eyes can see? Kakashi moves faster than that.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

What? Thats not faster than the eyes can see? Kakashi moves faster than that.

C'mon man please don't be too biased. Thats way faster than the eye can see its just the different animation techniques were used. Did you see how fast they were dodging! And if they can parry Blaster Bolts(which at least move far faster than the speed of sound) than they could easily block most of kakashi's attacks!

The jedi have the advantage in defense. Its like you said "Kakashi can predict" moves.....well even padawans can do that its a simple to them! Plus I haven't even gotten to the meaner things they could do like force crush......

 

[Sloth7d]

C'mon man please don't be too biased. Thats way faster than the eye can see its just the different animation techniques were used. Did you see how fast they were dodging! And if they can parry Blaster Bolts(which at least move far faster than the speed of sound) than they could easily block most of kakashi's attacks!

The jedi have the advantage in defense. Its like you said "Kakashi can predict" moves.....well even padawans can do that its a simple to them! Plus I haven't even gotten to the meaner things they could do like force crush......

I'm not being biased. I could see them the whole time. And those laser blast aren't that fast either. They're slower than bullets. Rocklee literally moved so fast that you can't see him. Kakashi has too. And Neji's rotation will leave any jedi that attacks him looking foolish. Shikimaru can use the shadow crush to kill any unsuspecting jedi. Not to mention how impossible it is to hurt Kiba and Akimaru during the down on all fours technique. And all of them are just genin. Konoha has too many advantages in technique and numbers. I don't see how the jedi order can compete.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

When have the Jedi ever moved faster than the blink of an eye?

And when I said copy his moves. I meant his fighting style. Once he memorises it, he can easily anticipate Anakins attacks and counter accordingly.
And all Kakashi would have to do to buy time for the chidori is use the water dopple ganger jutsu to confuse Anakin long enough to get it ready(even though I doubt he'd need the chidori).
And I doubt Yoda can take on the Hokage and all his water and fire missle jutsus. Or could he take on the 3rd and his summon(that gorilla, I forget its name) at the same time.

Anakin would sense that that object has no lifeforce so he'd see through the illusion! Anakin is EXTREMELY fast and has extremely keen force senses so I doubt that anyone without use of the force can really get the jump on him.

Here's Anakin in action and at this point he's not nearly as powerful as he becomes later.......

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq60e6doiDo&mode=related&search=

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R2mf7JfyJ4&mode=related&search=

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I'm not being biased. I could see them the whole time. And those laser blast aren't that fast either. They're slower than bullets. Rocklee literally moved so fast that you can't see him. Kakashi has too. And Neji's rotation will leave any jedi that attacks him looking foolish. Shikimaru can use the shadow crush to kill any unsuspecting jedi. Not to mention how impossible it is to hurt Kiba and Akimaru during the down on all fours technique. And all of them are just genin. Konoha has too many advantages in technique and numbers. I don't see how the jedi order can compete.

How do you know the are slower than bullets? Blaster bolts are MUCH faster then bullets(they are near speed of light actually). Also the average jedi could easily do a technique just like Neji's using the force thus giving them near perfect defense also.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

I'm not being biased. I could see them the whole time. And those laser blast aren't that fast either. They're slower than bullets. Rocklee literally moved so fast that you can't see him. Kakashi has too. And Neji's rotation will leave any jedi that attacks him looking foolish. Shikimaru can use the shadow crush to kill any unsuspecting jedi. Not to mention how impossible it is to hurt Kiba and Akimaru during the down on all fours technique. And all of them are just genin. Konoha has too many advantages in technique and numbers. I don't see how the jedi order can compete.

The reason you see them is because of different animation techniques! They don't do the DBZ/Naruto dissapear effect! The are so fast that they leave motion blurs which is something even Flash does but we all now he is WAY faster than the human eye its just the way american shows show speed instead of the anime dissapear lines! Just because you see their blur doesn't mean you see them!


You are seriously underestimating the Jedi!

 

[Sloth7d]

Anakin would sense that that object has no lifeforce so he'd see through the illusion! Anakin is EXTREMELY fast and has extremely keen force senses so I doubt that anyone without use of the force can really get the jump on him.

Here's Anakin in action and at this point he's not nearly as powerful as he becomes later.......

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq60e6doiDo&mode=related&search=

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R2mf7JfyJ4&mode=related&search=

Not even Nejis all seeing eye can tell solid clones from fakes. Thats because when the charkra is split evenly to each clone it creates an exact copy of the person. Same thought pattern and all.

 

[Sloth7d]

How do you know the are slower than bullets? Blaster bolts are MUCH faster then bullets(they are near speed of light actually). Also the average jedi could easily do a technique just like Neji's using the force thus giving them near perfect defense also.

Blaster bolts are not lightspeed. If so you wouldn't be able to see it at all.
And what technique do you speak of? I have seen no said technique ever.

 

[Sloth7d]

The reason you see them is because of different animation techniques! They don't do the DBZ/Naruto dissapear effect! The are so fast that they leave motion blurs which is something even Flash does but we all now he is WAY faster than the human eye its just the way american shows show speed instead of the anime dissapear lines! Just because you see their blur doesn't mean you see them!


You are seriously underestimating the Jedi!

Animation techniques has nothing to do with it. I can see them without the creator slowing down time perception. That can only mean they don't move faster than the eye can see.

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

You say the jedi are outnumbered? They had enough numbers to help defend a freakin GALAXY!!!!

You say the Jedi are outclassed yet the jedi have numerous advantages.

1.the jedi have lightsabers and the Ninja's have now way to defend against them!

2.The Jedi can litterally predict their opponents next move! Thats how they fight so good!

3.Jedi don't have to aim! They merely have to sense the object is there and use the force against it.

4.Jedi like Anakin(actually pretty much all of them) could use the force to crush the lungs(actually he could do their whole bodies) of his opponents with a thought!

5.The jedi have way better teamwork skills as they are trained to work together and they have psychic links through the force!

6.Jedi's force pushes do damage similar to a rasengan but are much faster and invisible! And one does not have to aim to use it they can also easily make a barrier similar to the Trigram palms spin.

7.Jedi can easily deflect blaster bolts with only a force blast or shield!

8.Dispite what you think a Jedi does move far faster than the human I can see! In fact it is said that it is nearly impossible for one withought the force to fight a jedi cause the countless parries and attacks that are made in seconds by a well trained jedi!

9.Yoda has crashed starships into eachother! And moved tanks with a thought!!! He could probably crush the third in a second! It is also said(and i'm not making this up)Yoda is only a blur to even the most skilled jedi(count dooku who is one of the most skilled swordsman in the galaxy could barely see him)! People descibe Yoda as a maelstrom of energy!

and this isn't even getting to the lightsaber technoques and various force powers.....

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

Blaster bolts are not lightspeed. If so you wouldn't be able to see it at all.
And what technique do you speak of? I have seen no said technique ever.

we se plenty of stuff in shows that are supposed to be faster than the blink of an eye! Thats the point! If we couldn't see the blaster bolts than it would look stupid. In fact I know that blaster bolts move way faster than bullets it is stated in several books! Also if they weren't then the republic would still be using freakin guns!!!!!

 

[Ultra-Herald9]

This is what a Jedi looks

like when fighting fast also........ Kinda reminds me of Ruroni Kenshin though.