Kramer's A Racist!!!

[Matt]

By the way, who the hell are you people to judge him?

I am sure all of you have never let slip one racial slur? Laughed at a racial joke? And this goes to black people as well. Racism goes beyond whites towards blacks. When you are perfect then you can judge Richards, mmk? The guy apologized, how 'bout we just drop it.

 

[Locs]

I am guessing that those you that are so quick to judge richards. Are to young to understand regret.

Give it a rest grandpa. My age doesn't make me unwise.

The fact that a Black man in New York can be affended by something some one said in L.A. is just stupid. Are some blacks that insecure? Seriously chill the f*** out!!!

Sorry but this makes no sense. It is a discussion forum, this is a discussion...opinions are to be expected.

Also this whole thing about. Why if two black men can say the N-word to each, why can't a white man say it? No one should be saying it! The excuse that the black man is saying it to each to take the power away from abviously isn't working, because if a lonely white man in a comedy club can offend every single black man in America. Just by uttering that word. Well evidently it still has some juice.

Here is my take. blacks keep let this word keep having because it is a cruch that they don't want to let go of. Just like everytime a black man gets pulled over its because he is black. Not because he is for bricks of pot in his trunk. Oh they wouldn't have found that if I was white. Bull Sh**!!!

Fact is there are some blacks that don't want to lose the ability to piss & moan about what whitey has done. Its easier to blame whitey everytime the power gets cut. I mean the bill was only 6 months over due. Damn white man!
I didn't get that job. Damn white man! Yes thats right whitey will be here for you to blame. Even though history has shown that any black person that applies himself can be just as sucessful as anybody else, but if you don't want to make it just blame whitey.

Again, this is pretty silly. As a cynic I expected someone to slip this in. It not only serves no reference to the topic of the thread...it is belittling some of the stuggles of other people.

Hey, Laugh Factory banned him so that is all the reprecussion I'm interested in.

 

[Darthphere]

By the way, who the hell are you people to judge him?

I am sure all of you have never let slip one racial slur? Laughed at a racial joke? And this goes to black people as well. Racism goes beyond whites towards blacks. When you are perfect then you can judge Richards, mmk?

See, now this argument thought I agree can be throw right in your face. "Who are you to judge Bush?" "WHo are you to judge liberals/conservatives?" "Who are you to judge K-Fed?" Slippery slope.

 

[Abaddon]

Regardless, he apologized, its over. Lets move on. I don't need to hear Bill O'Reilly day and night talking about how he is racist, or see Jesse Jackson's response as the opening headline on the news.

Whose to say he's really sorry about it?

This'll blow over eventually, but in the meantime he needs to learn a lesson.

 

[Matt]

See, now this argument thought I agree can be throw right in your face. "Who are you to judge Bush?" "WHo are you to judge liberals/conservatives?" "Who are you to judge K-Fed?" Slippery slope.

Not really. I can judge Bush because Bush has consistantly made the same errors, and also very seldom admits when he is wrong, nor has he ever apologized for anything (unlike Richards). Plus I have historical precedent of other presidents on which I can judge Bush's actions.

Liberalism and Conservatism are idealogies. Different playing field.

K-Fed, is well....K-Fed. He tried to blackmail his ex-wife with a sex tape. Yeah, I don't think "Who of you hasn't done that?" argument applies.

 

[Matt]

Whose to say he's really sorry about it?

This'll blow over eventually, but in the meantime he needs to learn a lesson.

Who are you to say he's not?

 

[Darthphere]

Not really. I can judge Bush because Bush has consistantly made the same errors, and also very seldom admits when he is wrong, nor has he ever apologized for anything (unlike Richards). Plus I have historical precent on which I can judge Bush's actions.

Liberalism and Conservatism are idealogies. Different playing field.

K-Fed, is well....K-Fed. He tried to blackmail his ex-wife with a sex tape. Yeah, I don't think "Who of you hasn't done that?" argument applies.

I did that once.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

K-Fed, is well....K-Fed. He tried to blackmail his ex-wife with a sex tape. Yeah, I don't think "Who of you hasn't done that?" argument applies.

I'm pretty sure if I took an informal poll or even could see all of these posters lives in full, I'd very seldom find any of them going on 3 minute racist rants.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

You are justifying what he's saying. You're trying to put the circumstances into context. you're trying to explain human behavior (poorly I might add) to let us poor misunderstanding hypesters know how and why a person could use a statement like this, and that the statements (plural) don't make him a racist.
Sounds like justification to me. Sounds like you don't want him to be labled because of his lableing statements. I mean where's the logic in this? Saying what he said in the manner in which he said it is cause for distinction of his character. This is just common sense.

Now we could ignore common sense and say that people are not their actions or even their words, but that's just not true. What is funny to me is that here we have a person that goes over the top with his comments and racial slurs out in the open for a threeminute tirade about black people, and how in the past (during times of open prejudice) he would have them hanging upside down with forks up their ass, and how he has enough money put this person in jail and people bend over backwards to defend him. It boggles the minds!

It's not him, it's just his words. He was angry, it's just his words. Now who's being naive.

Are you really this clueless or are you just getting off on watching steam come out of my ears.

Okay, let's do this.
I'm pretty sure Michael Richards is a racist. I know for a fact that I'll never support him with my money ever again. If the whole world wants to boycott him, I am perfectly fine with that. You know why?
'Cause I'm not justifying his racist tirade. I think it was stupid, artless, evil, dumb, wrong, nothing anyone should ever, ever emulate.

Okay......now, did you READ WHAT I JUST SAID?

What I'm taking issue with is your erroneous idea that as a rule, if you say something while you're angry, it is a perfect reflection of your true feelings, and therefore, if the Black guy in the alley is pissed at me for not letting him smoke there, and calls me a "f***** Whitey slave-owner", it 100% of the time means that he is racist against White people.

That.assertion. is. absurd.
No justification involved, period, so stop it.
you're offending me with these false accusations.
And we wouldn't want anyone to get offended.
I might have to sue you for slander.

 

[Matt]

I'm pretty sure if I took an informal poll or even could see all of these posters lives in full, I'd very seldom find any of them going on 3 minute racist rants.

Ever used a racial slur Shadowboxing? I'd bet good money you have. The difference? You weren't video taped and put on Youtube.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

And VVD, will you please stop ignoring my question?
Is Jesse Jackson a racist in your estimation?

 

[Matt]

And VVD, will you please stop ignoring my question?
Is Jesse Jackson a racist in your estimation?

Long answer no with a but...

Short answer yes.

 

[Abaddon]

Who are you to say he's not?

I don't know whether or not he is, but sometimes remorse isn't enough to merit forgiveness. Especially when so many people are offended.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Long answer no with a but...

Short answer yes.

Yeah, what I'm after is any answer from Von Doom.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Ever used a racial slur Shadowboxing? I'd bet good money you have. The difference? You weren't video taped and put on Youtube.

Did your read me first post?

No, I have never used a racial slur. And unless otherwise stated I edit them in papers I write on race.

 

[Matt]

I don't know whether or not he is, but sometimes remorse isn't enough to merit forgiveness. Especially when so many people are offended.

Half the people *****ing about this aren't geniunely offended, they are offended because society tells them they should be.

Me? I'm not black, and I will honestly say Richards words did not offend me in the least. Was he out of line? Sure. Should he have said it? Hell no. Am I personally offended by it? Not really. That is probably how it is for 95 % of the people feigning outrage over this.

 

[Matt]

Did your read me first post?

No, I have never used a racial slur. And unless otherwise stated I edit them in papers I write on race.

I don't believe you in the least. Overtly or otherwise, everyone in their life has used a slur, laughed at a racial joke, bought into a stereotype, whatever.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't believe you in the least. Overtly or otherwise, everyone in their life has used a slur, laughed at a racial joke, bought into a stereotype, whatever.

No, not everyone finds the use of those words acceptable in private or in public. I don't. I have always strongly believed those words are terms of inderment and only usable by members of those races. I am not black, therefore I am not aloud to say those words unless someone black informs me otherwise...and even then I doubt I would.

If you seem to believe racist rants and the hateful use of racial slurs applies to everyone...then I seriously fear for your soul. The mere fact that you believe this, to me, indicates that you find these word somewhat acceptable or "okay".

I don't...If you do, and you feel ashamed because of this. That is your problem...but it has nothing to do with me.

 

[Abaddon]

Half the people *****ing about this aren't geniunely offended, they are offended because society tells them they should be.

Society isn't telling them how to feel. Society is telling them it's wrong and unacceptable.

Me? I'm not black, and I will honestly say Richards words did not offend me in the least. Was he out of line? Sure. Should he have said it? Hell no. Am I personally offended by it? Not really. That is probably how it is for 95 % of the people feigning outrage over this.

Probably, but it doesn't have to offensive on a personal level. It was a disgusting, despicable display, and it doesn't need to be.

 

[Darthphere]

No, not everyone finds the use of those words acceptable in private or in public. I don't. I have always strongly believed those words are terms of inderment and only usable by members of those races. I am not black, therefore I am not aloud to say those words unless someone black informs me otherwise...and even then I doubt I would.

If you seem to believe racist rants and the hateful use of racial slurs applies to everyone...then I seriously fear for your soul. The mere fact that you believe this, to me, indicates that you find these word somewhat acceptable or "okay".

I don't...If you do, and you feel ashamed because of this. That is your problem...but it has nothing to do with me.

Wow, way to turn his post into something it wasnt.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow, way to turn his post into something it wasnt.

No, f*** that, he accused me of something I directly stated WAS NOT THE CASE...and did so in a manner as to imply that it was somehow normal. "Who hasn't" laughed at racist jokes...I haven't. I don't find them amusing or acceptable.

Not everyone would agree with Matt...

 

[Matt]

Have you ever watched The Cosby Show Shadowboxing? You remember the geeky white kid who was one of the children's friends who always was the butt of the jokes? You've never giggled at that? That is a form of racism. Get the hell off your high horse. EVERYONE has done it in one way or another. Kramer's was just OVERT racism, that is why he is getting all this slack.

 

[Matt]

Society isn't telling them how to feel. Society is telling them it's wrong and unacceptable.


Probably, but it doesn't have to offensive on a personal level. It was a disgusting, despicable display, and it doesn't need to be.

Yes, it was inappropriate. So the man should not be chastised for the rest of his life. He apologized, what more can he do? Lets move on.

 

[Darthphere]

No, f*** that, he accused me of something I directly stated WAS NOT THE CASE...and did so in a manner as to imply that it was somehow normal. "Who hasn't" laughed at racist jokes...I haven't. I don't find them amusing or acceptable.

Not everyone would agree with Matt...

He didnt accuse, he said he didnt believe you. Take a chill pill dude.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

No, f*** that, he accused me of something I directly stated WAS NOT THE CASE...and did so in a manner as to imply that it was somehow normal. "Who hasn't" laughed at racist jokes...I haven't. I don't find them amusing or acceptable.

Not everyone would agree with Matt...

I highly doubt that when people here such as Erzengel or DOG LIPS Corinthian or, well, any number of posters, make racist jokes, that you just avert your eyes and pray for their souls and move on to the next thread.