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Discussion in 'Sony Spider-Man Spin-Offs' started by NotNickFury, Jun 21, 2017.
This is a profoundly stupid idea, even by Hollywood's standards. I almost can't believe it.
You should just trademark "I'll believe it when I see it", lol.
When I saw Joker mention this idea the other day, I thought he was joking.
But regardless of its merits, you mention a real big problem for me when it comes to these films. I am NOT going to watch eight Marvel films in the theater in a single year. I'm just not. That's more than I usually go the theater in a year, period. Four Marvel films (like this year) is about my limit, no matter how good they are.
Hmmm....I thought it was Ten.
A Mysterio heist film actually has potential. It could work like "Now you see me". Mysterio gets mixed up Tombstone and he has to steal from a rival gang boss (Kingpin?) to settle a debt.
Kraven would be tricky without Spiderman to introduce him. That being said, Kraven could be brought in to help hunt down a killer (Morbius, Kletus Cassidy/Carnage?), have him team up with a New York detective and you have a action thriller, buddy movie. Kinda like Se7en with a Suicide Squad twist (villains hunting villains).
In a perfect world they would all exist in the MCU, but I think there's a lot of fun alternate time lines that could actually birth some great ideas.
Alright, since I had to occupy myself while waiting for new internet to be installed, I spent time making this Kraven movie pitch. Here's the catch; I'd use a Spider-Man movie to introduce the family, with Sergei Kravinov as the main villain, then I'd have the spinoff follow his daughter Ana as the protagonist. I've also, not going to lie, changed a lot of the family's characterizations, though I think they could be flexible; for instance, Chameleon could be a mostly non-violent threat who just kidnaps the people he impersonates, or he could be the psychotic kill-and-replace-then-dispose-of-the-body guy. If you don't mind, take a read, and tel me what you think.
Spider-Man to Kraven movie idea
-Ana Kravinov is main protagonist of Kraven movie, so she needs both sympathetic traits, an engaging character arc, and threatening skills.
-In a Spider-man movie, Ana is enrolled in Midtown specifically to try and ascertain which member is Spider-Man, with her uncle Dmitri the Chameleon acting as her tutor in this situation and backup as a Sociology teacher.
-Ana is a dutiful daughter who seeks her father's affection, and does receive it, but only as a huntress and only when she succeeds; he's not abusive, but very cold and negligent.
-Ana is totally at a loss for how to act as a high school student; she doesn't like anyone touching her or invading her personal space (seeing it as a challenge), has trouble with wordplay even in her native Russian, and is far too blunt and brusque. She also is over-competitive in PE, and doesn't get most sports. She does, however, love soccer as a guilty pleasure.
-Ana seeks out Peter's clique because they're the prime suspects because it was their field trip he disappeared from and back into. Because Ned saw Kraven and got utterly terrified of him, he makes Pete promise not to tell him if he's ever in danger, just rescue him from it. Ana then introduces herself, immediately tipping off Peter she's attached to Kraven, and Ned starts to develop a crush on her.
-Peter's immediate circle becomes a twisted Breakfast Club from hell; Pete has to keep on dodging Ana's deductions with alternative explanations while trying to help Ned avoid the crossfire and later hilariously help him court Ana, Ned becomes correctly suspicious of Chameleon because of the way he teaches differently, MJ knows that Pete is Spider-Man and is acting to help him stay hidden without his knowledge, and Ana is finding herself enjoying her successes at blending in socially and feeling bad about her failures.
-Ultimately, Chameleon, who's been helping Ana fit in better like a parent and trying to focus her sociology education to help her, comes up with a gambit to put another high school dance in danger to draw out Spidey for Kraven, with Ana joining the planning committee to sabotage everything. However, Kraven encounters and believes he's killed Spider-Man before the dance, and is convinced to leave the dance as a back up just in case.
-Chameleon manages to trick Kraven into allowing Ana to go to the dance for fun, so she hurriedly asks Ned out. Unfortunately, just as she and Mary Jane are about to pick up their dates, Kraven discovers prove Spidey's alive and enacts the trap.
-While Ana does effectively help her father against Spidey, when the trap threatens to hurt the kids below, including Ned and Mary Jane, she acts to save them. She has to choose between finishing off a wounded Peter (MJ lets her in on the secret after she's rescued), and helping Ned and others trapped under rubble. She chooses to save them, her father is maimed at the end of the fight, and she despondently sits at the dance until MJ convinces her to give Ned a dance for fun.
-When Chameleon comes for her, he offers her a choice; either help him free Kraven and get revenge, or take a sabbatical. When she chooses the sabbatical to find her mother after seeing MJ and Pete greeted by Anna and May, he approves.
Kraven the Huntress movie.
-Ana is trying to track down her mother and goes to her original tutor: Silver Sable or a female version of Puma. SS/P greets her warmly, and reluctantly gives her the information to try and find Sasha Kravinov, who is busy hunting... The Lizard, who is still shifting back and forth between the monster and the man.
-Ana does what any Kravinov would do, and seeks the prey to find the predator. But when she finds Lizard in the Savannah, she is accosted by the Grim Hunter, her older brother Aloysha. The Grim Hunter (and, we'll discover, Sasha Kravinov) uses guns and more high tech hunting equipment. He introduces himself, clearly has conflicting desires to reach out and yet orders to keep her away at all costs, and orders her to stay away.
-She refuses, and in the ensuing fight, is badly wounded. Dmitri doesn't kill her and sets her into safety, where she is found by a worried SS/Puma and nursed back to health. Ana is grateful for the rescue, but is so humiliated by her defeat and the mercy shown (Sergei her father drilled that into her) that she conceals her care for SS/P and yells at her before setting off again, this time in Grim Hunter's truck and with his equipment.
-Unfortunately, Grim Hunter has tracking devices in his vehicles and accosts her again, alongside Sasha, their mother. Sasha reveals that she despises Ana because Sergei is Ana's father; Sasha and Sergei hail from different lines of the Kravinov family and were married by arrangement, while Aloysha is the son of her first lover. They once more beat her (Grim Hunter showing some hesitation) and this time strand her in the desert at Sasha's insistence. Because she trashed SS/P's tracking technology, she is mostly helpless, but manages to power through the pain, patch herself up, and hunt enough food to make it to an oasis motel, where she is taken in and rehydrated and given medical supplies... By the Connors family.
-The Connors are here to meet Curt after he ingests a Lizard suppressant so he won't completely change around them. And Ana watches long enough to identify what makes Mrs. Connors an actual mother, and when she sees the signs that her biological family is here, she hides the Connors, calls SS/P and prepares a trap with Lizard as bait.
-The suppressed Curt Connors appears, clearly having some mutated elements present, but full faculties, and is trapped by Ana in a net. Sasha and Grim Hunter appear, and while Grim Hunter is willing to accept Ana as his sister, Sasha only offers a cold partnership. Sasha also reveals that their bounty includes the Connors Kid, and that causes Ana to speed up her initial plan; she attacks and disarms Grim Hunter and Sasha of their guns, using other traps and tricks.
-The fight is a free for all; Ana manages to temporarily blind Grim Hunter with his own gas grenade, and Sasha gets ahold of a adrenaline injector she and Grim Hunter have been using and throws it and everything else at Ana. The injector hits Dr. Connors, releasing the Lizard, who snaps the net and comes after all three Kravinovs. This allows Ana to win the fight by outlasting the others.
-SS/Puma arrives to take all three into custody. Grim Hunter gives Ana a salute as recognition of their relation, while Sasha refuses to look at Ana and Ana responds by doing the same, and then hugging SS/Puma as she would a mother.
-End credits teaser: Sergei awakes, reads about what happened, and scowls in disappointment. "This must be corrected," he says.
Mysterio disguises himself as spider-man to make spidey a wanted man by the law,but his plan backfires as Kraven shows up and ends up hunting Mysterio thinking Mysterio is Spider-Man,then Kraven feels like Mysterio made a fool out of him so the two become enemies.
I totally disagree, some characters work best antagonists, not protagonists.
Mysterio there is not much there in terms of characterization, he is still just evil in the Guardian Devil, there is nothing really sympathetic about him in that story, he's pretty well just vile, he is more compelling as a villain then a hero.
As for a heist story, I have to ask, what do think Mysterio's motive is, greed for money or a desire for fame? Because one of these motives is more interesting and unique then the other, if he is just another greedy villain you put in a heist movie, what makes him different from Vulture and Shocker? But the desire for fame lends to a very unsympathetic villain, IMO, one that hurts people for selfish reasons.
Really turning Mysterio into a protagonist is trying to turn him into something he is not, the character isn't deep enough to carry a movie.
As for Kraven, he was an anti hero for what a day? Then he blew his brains out? Yeah, trying to make him a protagonist is stretching out part of a story to fit a movie length, its not good story telling.
Who really asked for this battle of the B-list villains? You got two villains who can be an antagonists in a Spider-Man movie or a one of these spin offs and instead they going to fight each other, why?
My idea for Mysterious is a cross between a number of past films, such as: Now You See Me(as far as the illusions, because that who he is, an illusionist; as well as, for the the mystery/intrigue), The Unusual Suspects(because there are a number of misleading things going on within the group Mysterio has to deal with...the story is not fluid; but more twisted, so one has to pay attention), & The Transporter(just for the fast pace, high octain, action...pacing won't be an issue with this idea).
Whose setting up who? A crafty criminal discovers he's being setup, by the very people he himself is setting up, only to learn, the whole ordeal is a setup. Dangerous people, with dangerous minds, sets up dangerous games.*
This movie just can't happen without Spidey. Kraven or Mysterio as a protagonist? Wtf? Black and Silver and Venom make sense but I just can't understand this one
Controversial take but I actually love the idea of a Mysterio movie
Set before Far From Home? Because Mysterio didn't really appear on the scene until then. Unless they're going to show his life before he became Mysterio and how he was a Stark employee. But for that, they need RDJ.
Or set after? Because he seemingly died at the end of FFH. Would that change and affect what has happened with Spider-Man? How can they develop this on their own without Marvel?
I doubt this will get made. It’s just another announcement spinoff thing they always do to show they are busy making movies. Who the heck would see a mysterio movie? Set before the events of before he became mysterio? Come on Sony , your dumb but this aunt may spin off level stupid
Unless they set it during the events of FFH where he went off and did a side mission somehow. I don't see when he would've had time for that really though. He was focused on one thing. It would seem silly that he suddenly became distracted and went off to save someone or get involved in some other heist.
I reckon after and they’ll just pretend the Mysterio we saw die was a hologram or something. I mean they do that in the comics all the time. It would be fun to embrace more of trippy mysterio
Mysterio is an illusionist. He could have faked it easily. Especially in the world of the MCU. I would guess it is set after and will be a stepping stone for Sinister Six
If this is the only way to get Kraven and even better Venom into the MCU...so be it