Transformers Lack of meaning - What's this movie about?

[big D Evil]

So in other words: you haven't the slightest clue.




This is what fans like to do. They ***** and moan about rumors and "leaked scripts" and whatnot, and when the final product comes out they can feel like they affected some sort of change in the final product. Makes it feel more personal.

Despite that, the truth is rarely do you get cries so loud that something in a film gets Jar-Jarred

I don't give a sh** about feeling like I changed anything I just don't want the movie to suck.

 

[CFlash]

So in other words: you haven't the slightest clue.




This is what fans like to do. They ***** and moan about rumors and "leaked scripts" and whatnot, and when the final product comes out they can feel like they affected some sort of change in the final product. Makes it feel more personal.

Despite that, the truth is rarely do you get cries so loud that something in a film gets Jar-Jarred

Fan outcry (it was huge) led to Emmerich shoehorning scenes of Godzilla "igniting" gas with his roar so as to "simulate" his nuclear fire breath. The scenes were not intended to be part of the movie EVER. He put all the fans "at ease." They even used it in the commercials.
Of course, it was still crappy.

And if you think the fans had nothing to do with Peter Cullen you're just trying to be stubbornly ignorant. Yah... OK.... Bay always intended to use the voice of 1980's voiceover cartoon actor as the star of his movie. Uh... OK. LOL.

 

[big D Evil]

Fan outcry (it was huge) led to Emmerich shoehorning scenes of Godzilla "igniting" gas with his roar so as to "simulate" his nuclear fire breath. The scenes were not intended to be part of the movie EVER. He put all the fans "at ease." They even used it in the commercials.
Of course, it was still crappy.

And if you think the fans had nothing to do with Peter Cullen you're just trying to be stubbornly ignorant. Yah... OK.... Bay always intended to use the voice of 1980's voiceover cartoon actor as the star of his movie. Uh... OK. LOL.

I kept hearing George clooney was going to be prime. George clooney would have done a good job but It will be so much cooler to hear cullens voice coming out of a real world Optimus!

 

[ragdus]

Did I say he ALWAYS intended to use it? I don't recall that. That'd be playing your game of thinking I know what can not be known. I said I don't doubt he'd have given it consideration without any input from the fans. WOuld he have made the same choice? I don't know and neither do you.

And like i said, RALELY do things get Jar-Jarred, not NEVER. Perhaps you're just wanting to be stubbornly ignorant of the fact that I already made it clear I'm well aware outcry DOES change things, it just doesn't happen as often or on as sweeping a scope as fanboys choose to believe.

 

[CFlash]

I kept hearing George clooney was going to be prime. George clooney would have done a good job but It will be so much cooler to hear cullens voice coming out of a real world Optimus!

I was always cool with the Clooney rumor. In fact I thought his voice was a perfect fit for Optimus. But people were adamant!!! I remember thinking "who cares!!!!????... They made Bumblebee a freakin hot-rod you idiots!"

I also thought Tobe Maguire should voice Bumblebee (please tell me people get that reference).

But yeah, all things considered, I'm glad they got Cullen. It balances out the crappy hillbilly paint job they gave Prime.

 

[big D Evil]

Did I say he ALWAYS intended to use it? I don't recall that. That'd be playing your game of thinking I know what can not be known. I said I don't doubt he'd have given it consideration without any input from the fans. WOuld he have made the same choice? I don't know and neither do you.

And like i said, RALELY do things get Jar-Jarred, not NEVER. Perhaps you're just wanting to be stubbornly ignorant of the fact that I already made it clear I'm well aware outcry DOES change things, it just doesn't happen as often or on as sweeping a scope as fanboys choose to believe.

I care enough about this movie to throw some complaints out here even if theres only a "rare" chance it will change anything.

 

[big D Evil]

I was always cool with the Clooney rumor. In fact I thought his voice was a perfect fit for Optimus. But people were adamant!!! I remember thinking "who cares!!!!????... They made Bumblebee a freakin hot-rod you idiots!"

I also thought Tobe Maguire should voice Bumblebee (please tell me people get that reference).

But yeah, all things considered, I'm glad they got Cullen. It balances out the crappy hillbilly paint job they gave Prime.

Yeah clooney would have done a good job. I would rather have the voices different than the designs.
Megs and Satrscream better have the greatest voices ever to compensate for what they did to them visuallY!!!!

 

[CFlash]

Did I say he ALWAYS intended to use it? I don't recall that. That'd be playing your game of thinking I know what can not be known. I said I don't doubt he'd have given it consideration without any input from the fans. WOuld he have made the same choice? I don't know and neither do you.

And like i said, RALELY do things get Jar-Jarred, not NEVER. Perhaps you're just wanting to be stubbornly ignorant of the fact that I already made it clear I'm well aware outcry DOES change things, it just doesn't happen as often or on as sweeping a scope as fanboys choose to believe.

Now your capitulating by trying to turn other people's statements into the extreme. Bad form!

I agree with you that fan outcry doesn't lead to "changes on as sweeping a scope."

 

[ragdus]

Perhaps I am turning statements into extremes. It helps get the point across at times. Better than turning my assumptions into applied facts though...

 

[Arcturus]

How deep does this film have to be? Does Optimus Prime have to learn the true meaning of Christmas, and Megatron learns to regret all the evil he has done while he...

Spoiler

sinks to the bottom of the ocean awaiting his fate?

 

[Tad Fatherton]

I know some of ya'll will complain about me starting a new thread... but after seeing this in today's news:

Calif. sues carmakers over global warming
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060920/bs_nm/environment_autos_dc_13

I thought a discussion about some of the topics the original Transformers touched upon and how this movie completely ignores them in a day and age where they seem MORE relevant (considering what's going on in the Middle East, the energy crisis, etc.) would be nice.

I know Transformers was not Capt Planet... but it can't be denied that the overriding theme of the original cartoon was Earth as a source of energy and Decepticons pillaging it (thus destroying it)... not the Quest for The Holy Grail.

Anyone else besides me think that Transformers the movie should... I dunno... be a bit more about something?

i don't understand why you just want a rehash of the exact same story that they've been doing for years.

 

[Tad Fatherton]

Now your capitulating by trying to turn other people's statements into the extreme. Bad form!

Pot: you're black!
kettle: so are you!

 

[CFlash]

i don't understand why you just want a rehash of the exact same story that they've been doing for years.

As if the McGuffin / Followship of the Ring story hasn't been done either. Oh yea... it was done in Followship of the Ring.

One Cube to rull them all.

But, seriously, welcome back Tad.

 

[roach]

And if you think the fans had nothing to do with Peter Cullen you're just trying to be stubbornly ignorant. Yah... OK.... Bay always intended to use the voice of 1980's voiceover cartoon actor as the star of his movie. Uh... OK. LOL.

Which of these statements is true:
1) Fans whining on a messageboard got Bay to cast Cullen as Prime.
2) Someone attached to the project that loved the cartoons lobbied hard for Cullen to voice Prime.

 

[CFlash]

Which of these statements is true:
1) Fans whining on a messageboard got Bay to cast Cullen as Prime.
2) Someone attached to the project that loved the cartoons lobbied hard for Cullen to voice Prime.

Um, both can be true.

 

[Tad Fatherton]

As if the McGuffin / Followship of the Ring story hasn't been done either. Oh yea... it was done in Followship of the Ring.

One Cube to rull them all.

But, seriously, welcome back Tad.

The fellowship of the ring is about a group of people trying to get rid of something. transformers is about a group of people tryin to find something. there is no correlation. infact, their plots are actually the opposite of eachother. but keep trying.

also, you're trying to compare a movie about alien robots to a movie about elves, wizards, dwarves, and hobbits. just give it up, man, the more you post the more desperate your argument becomes.

 

[CFlash]

The fellowship of the ring is about a group of people trying to get rid of something. transformers is about a group of people tryin to find something. there is no correlation. infact, their plots are actually the opposite of eachother. but keep trying.

also, you're trying to compare a movie about alien robots to a movie about elves, wizards, dwarves, and hobbits. just give it up, man, the more you post the more desperate your argument becomes.

It's called a McGuffin plot device. Yes, the stories are different. In Fellowship the Ring was pretty relevant and part and parcel with the story (thus not really a McGuffin). Here it's a replaceable plot device... which is a McGuffin.

 

[Tad Fatherton]

It's called a McGuffin plot device. Yes, the stories are different. In Fellowship the Ring was pretty relevant and part and parcel with the story (thus not really a McGuffin). Here it's a replaceable plot device... which is a McGuffin.

the movies are not comparable. ONE IS ABOUT TRYING TO GET RID OF SOMETHING, ONE IS ABOUT TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

 

[CFlash]

the movies are not comparable. ONE IS ABOUT TRYING TO GET RID OF SOMETHING, ONE IS ABOUT TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

I think both Gollum and Sauron would highly disagree with that.

 

[Tad Fatherton]

I think both Gollum and Sauron would highly disagree with that.

whatever you feel you have to say in order to fit your argument, guess. type mcguffin some more, it makes you come off as really intelligent.

 

[CFlash]

whatever you feel you have to say in order to fit your argument, guess. type mcguffin some more, it makes you come off as really intelligent.

Maybe you should look it up so that you know what the heck you're talking about. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGuffin Look up Plot Coupon while you're at it.

 

[Tad Fatherton]

i know what it is, most people do. saying it over and over again does not make you any smarter than anyone else. how many worthless arguments are you capable of? because i'm pretty impressed right now.

 

[CFlash]

i know what it is, most people do. saying it over and over again does not make you any smarter than anyone else. how many worthless arguments are you capable of? because i'm pretty impressed right now.

We're agreed then. This movie from what we know seems to revolve around highly replaceable plot device.

 

[Decypher]

I don't feel like reading this whole thread but putting another anti-bush, anti-war, anti-america subplot into a movie is such bull****. It's been doen way too many times before and not even half the time has it came out as being honest and not cliched. If you want to watch a movie with a message, try and avoid the one with the Robot-cars from space.

 

[Tad Fatherton]

We're agreed then. This movie from what we know seems to revolve around highly replaceable plot device.

no.