Last generation: Ps3, 360, Wii - who won?

[XtremelyBaneful]

I'm be honest: this makes absolutely no sense at all. Your original point was simple: the hardware was more like the PS3/360, therefore "last gen" (despite the fact that you admit the Wii was also "last gen"). I get that you mean "underpowered" there, I just wanted to point that out. If you want to call that "last gen" based on power, then you know. Whatever you've wrote here, though...I don't know, totally lost.

dude it does make sense, to me and many others I don't know why you can't see it. yes, the Wii was a last gen console but the hardware in it was even more outdated; it did not match its competitors' hardware.

even ubisoft said something about this when explaining why the AC5 ain't coming to the wii u
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ubisoft-explains-why-assassins-creed-unity-is-skip/1100-6422777/

this was going to be a new-gen-only title...

what does that imply about their opinion of the wii u hardware? if it's not new gen, then it is old gen. simple as that.

For what it's worth, you are, by no means, alone in your thought process. It's really a common mistake to think that power determines a console's generation. It's understandable, too, since up until the Wii, power did increase fairly significantly generation to generation. But, strangely, people ignore handheld generations, in which you have almost always had machines with vast power differences (GB(C)/GameGear, DS/PSP, 3DS/Vita), but there's never been confusion about what generation those are respectively part of.

Your logic is basically, as far as I can tell, that since the PS4 is now the winning console as far as sales, it invalidates a very long history of the opposite happening (including one that is happening now with the 3DS/Vita).

Well, all I can say is okay. Not a whole lot else I can say. I guess we've reached the agree to disagree stage.

yeah handhelds are another ballpark I'll admit I barely have knowledge on the evolution of gaming on there.

I don't remember what I said about the Ps4, but what I can tell you is that yes even though it is winning the console war so far and happens to be the most powerful console, the last generation does not have a consensus about who the winner was. I say it was the least powerful, the wii, but then again the Ps2 was the least powerful 2 generations back; the difference here is that Ps2 ports with respect its competitors still looked comparable - you cannot say the same about Wii ports with respect to Ps3/360 ports. its versions looked way behind and never sold as well either.

your firm in your belief though and I think that's fine, you backed it up anyways so yeah, we can agree to disagree. I can tell you don't really wanna talk about it anymore

 

[Brother Jack]

I agree with most of what you said there, Jack, outside the PS3 UI. I hated that. Somehow, even with folders, it looks like such a mess to me.

I've found that I'm in the minority in liking the XMB interface. It took some getting used to but I really love it, personally. Going back to the Xbox UI felt clunky and sluggish to me.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I've found that I'm in the minority in liking the XMB interface. It took some getting used to but I really love it, personally. Going back to the Xbox UI felt clunky and sluggish to me.

i didn't much care about the xmb. it was easy enough to navigate so whatever. i feel like the 360 had better sound effects though, lol

i didn't have enough exposure with it to see if it had a better interface

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

damn, looks like the Ps3 lost another exclusive lol

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ea...-tactical-rpg-gem-valkyria-chro/1100-6423316/

so as I understand it, starting in 2013, the Ps3 began outselling the 360 and that has been a thing hence forth, am I correct?

 

[Tron Bonne]

I think the PS3 was outselling the 360 in other regions before 2013. It outsold the 360 everywhere, outside the States, in which the 360 has almost outsold even the Wii (it may have at this point, I don't know for sure).

 

[Grievous]

The 360 was the clear winner. The first half wasn't even a contest because of how good the 360 got off compared to how bad the PS3 stated off. PS3 made up some ground toward the end but I feel that was mainly due to Microsoft simply sitting on the exclusives they already had, and not really making any strong pushes like Sony was at the time. The Last of Us was amazing but in the end it was a single player focused game, that once you beat it that was basically it. Halo's mp had xbox users invested for Months. So I would say overall when you add the first half and the second half together Microsoft comes out on top. Mainly because Microsoft beat Sony more in the first half than Sony beat Microsoft in the second half.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I think the PS3 was outselling the 360 in other regions before 2013. It outsold the 360 everywhere, outside the States, in which the 360 has almost outsold even the Wii (it may have at this point, I don't know for sure).

really? the Ps3 won every other territory besides the U.S? That's quite interesting considering they're matched in total global sales. That must mean the 360 had a really strong american following.

The 360 was the clear winner. The first half wasn't even a contest because of how good the 360 got off compared to how bad the PS3 stated off. PS3 made up some ground toward the end but I feel that was mainly due to Microsoft simply sitting on the exclusives they already had, and not really making any strong pushes like Sony was at the time. The Last of Us was amazing but in the end it was a single player focused game, that once you beat it that was basically it. Halo's mp had xbox users invested for Months. So I would say overall when you add the first half and the second half together Microsoft comes out on top. Mainly because Microsoft beat Sony more in the first half than Sony beat Microsoft in the second half.

No it wasn't. The Ps2 was the clear cut winner of the 6th generation but you can't award the same with the 7th gen, and even the poll says otherwise.

The 360 definitely was kicking the Ps3's ass for 2 years, but according to phil spencer, video game generations are a marathon. In the end, the Ps3 was able to match the 360, something the Xbox, Gamecube, and Dreamcast combined were not able to achieve with the Ps2 at the end of the 6th gen.

And the thing about what you said is that I think the general dichotomy of playstation and xbox has become that xbox is primarily a platform for multiplayer games, and playstation is primarily a platform for single player games. the most popular xbox franchises are halo and gears of war, can't think of any others off the top of my head. playstation's biggest franchises are uncharted & god of war (not counting GT) and both of those games are single player, the only multiplayer being online. most of the other Ps3 exclusives (heavy rain, ratchet and clank, beyond 2 souls, infamous series, yakuza series, and even killzone) were all single player. i wouldn't say they flopped, yet they weren't as popular as 360's exclusives I think simply because the 360 had a way higher attachment rate

this idea was further reinforced in the 8th gen when both new consoles saw their first AAA releases in the same month. the xbone's had titanfall, which was multiplayer only if i'm not mistaken, and ISS was single player only. both games sold over a million copies but not as much as either camp wanted to, I think. which is one reason ea wants titanfall 2 to be multiplatform but that's a different story.

and yes, TLOU's main driving force is its campaign, but you're wrong, there's a multiplayer to it and it is very well received since it is different than the average 3rd person online multiplayer game. hell I know someone who doesn't give a crap about single player in gaming at all and plays TLOU just for its multiplayer and has a blast from it.

I wouldn't say sony beat microsoft at all last gen. at this point they may have eclipsed 360's total sales, but what's a few hundred thousand or even a few million when we're talking 80+ million or so consoles sold?

 

[Tron Bonne]

really? the Ps3 won every other territory besides the U.S? That's quite interesting considering they're matched in total global sales. That must mean the 360 had a really strong american following.

Well, yeah. In Europe it was closer, but the PS3 still won out, and in Japan the 360 sold pretty much nil. The Wii U and PS4 have both sold more than the 360 in its entire lifetime, and both are selling pretty weakly since launch.

America was the stronghold for MS, yes. By far. And since Japan doesn't really matter to consoles anymore, it's probably even more important of a field than it once was.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well, yeah. In Europe it was closer, but the PS3 still won out, and in Japan the 360 sold pretty much nil. The Wii U and PS4 have both sold more than the 360 in its entire lifetime, and both are selling pretty weakly since launch.

America was the stronghold for MS, yes. By far. And since Japan doesn't really matter to consoles anymore, it's probably even more important of a field than it once was.

sucks that no one in japan cares about consoles anymore. what I was saying though was that if the Ps3 did indeed beat out the 360 in all other regions but did not gain a substantial lead, that means that the installbase for the 360 was REALLY strong in america. and i think i did know a lot more people with 360s than Ps3s back in high school, which is when the 7th gen started for me I think (not counting handhelds)

 

[Grievous]

really? the Ps3 won every other territory besides the U.S? That's quite interesting considering they're matched in total global sales. That must mean the 360 had a really strong american following.
No it wasn't. The Ps2 was the clear cut winner of the 6th generation but you can't award the same with the 7th gen, and even the poll says otherwise.

The 360 definitely was kicking the Ps3's ass for 2 years, but according to phil spencer, video game generations are a marathon. In the end, the Ps3 was able to match the 360, something the Xbox, Gamecube, and Dreamcast combined were not able to achieve with the Ps2 at the end of the 6th gen.

And the thing about what you said is that I think the general dichotomy of playstation and xbox has become that xbox is primarily a platform for multiplayer games, and playstation is primarily a platform for single player games. the most popular xbox franchises are halo and gears of war, can't think of any others off the top of my head. playstation's biggest franchises are uncharted & god of war (not counting GT) and both of those games are single player, the only multiplayer being online. most of the other Ps3 exclusives (heavy rain, ratchet and clank, beyond 2 souls, infamous series, yakuza series, and even killzone) were all single player. i wouldn't say they flopped, yet they weren't as popular as 360's exclusives I think simply because the 360 had a way higher attachment rate

this idea was further reinforced in the 8th gen when both new consoles saw their first AAA releases in the same month. the xbone's had titanfall, which was multiplayer only if i'm not mistaken, and ISS was single player only. both games sold over a million copies but not as much as either camp wanted to, I think. which is one reason ea wants titanfall 2 to be multiplatform but that's a different story.

and yes, TLOU's main driving force is its campaign, but you're wrong, there's a multiplayer to it and it is very well received since it is different than the average 3rd person online multiplayer game. hell I know someone who doesn't give a crap about single player in gaming at all and plays TLOU just for its multiplayer and has a blast from it.

I wouldn't say sony beat microsoft at all last gen. at this point they may have eclipsed 360's total sales, but what's a few hundred thousand or even a few million when we're talking 80+ million or so consoles sold?

I never said TLOU didn't have a mp or that it was not well received. Just wanted to throw that out there.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I never said TLOU didn't have a mp or that it was not well received. Just wanted to throw that out there.

yes you did.

The Last of Us was amazing but in the end it was a single player focused game, that once you beat it that was basically it.

okay so you never actually state that there was no mp but you imply that it's not as important as the campaign, which is true. then you go on to say halo's mp has people invested for months, and i've stated the same for tlou. when I said well received I meant the mp, since a lot of the time when tlou comes up in conversation it's the campaign. the mp is kind of an anomaly to many.

 

[Grievous]

yes you did.


okay so you never actually state that there was no mp but you imply that it's not as important as the campaign, which is true. then you go on to say halo's mp has people invested for months, and i've stated the same for tlou. when I said well received I meant the mp, since a lot of the time when tlou comes up in conversation it's the campaign. the mp is kind of an anomaly to many.

I was about to look up my quote to prove to you I never said TOLU didn't have a mp.

I have a friend who liked TLOU mp so I have no problem with acknowledging that. I only played the single player part of the game. I could of played the mp but never got around to it, I heard good things about it but it still wasn't anything that had me thinking ''I got to try this out''. I currently don't own a next gen console but I'm hopeful to be getting one soon, I plan to go with Xbox simply because I prefer the exclusives on it over the Playstation ones.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I was about to look up my quote to prove to you I never said TOLU didn't have a mp.

I have a friend who liked TLOU mp so I have no problem with acknowledging that. I only played the single player part of the game. I could of played the mp but never got around to it, I heard good things about it but it still wasn't anything that had me thinking ''I got to try this out''. I currently don't own a next gen console but I'm hopeful to be getting one soon, I plan to go with Xbox simply because I prefer the exclusives on it over the Playstation ones.

right, you never outright state it but you imply that it's not as big of a deal as the campaign. and what i was saying to counter that was just like months after halo's been released there's still people invested in the mp, the same can be said about tlou and there are people who play only the mp and are missing out on the campaign entirely.

i like playstation games more than xbox games but i might sell my Ps4 for an xbone just because the service on playstation has been so bad.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I have to say I am really surprised with the poll results. I expected either nintendo or microsoft to win so far and it's unbelievable to see the underdog winning

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yeah, I wouldn't say Sony won at all. If anything, the PS3 nearly destroyed them. They lost supremacy, and spent most of the console war fighting Microsoft's crappy console for second place.

That's not to say the PS3 wasn't a good console. It was ahead of its time. But that came at a considerable cost, much like the Game Gear.

 

[Tron Bonne]

People voted based on their personal preference, obviously. Seems there's a few more PS fans on these boards than MS ones.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

People voted based on their personal preference, obviously. Seems there's a few more PS fans on these boards than MS ones.

i've tried making it clear over and over again that this thread was about who WON, not what you prefer.

I prefer the Ps3 obviously, but i voted for nintendo because my opinion is that they won the 7th gen.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I know what you wanted, but you can't ask a question as subjective as who "won" and not expect people to base it off their opinion to some degree, especially if you do a poll. I mean, otherwise, what is the point of the discussion? Nintendo had more sales worldwide, so Nintendo won the gen. I mean, I don't know, do you want the thread closed now, because there's not really anywhere else to go if you are looking for the absolutely purest objective standpoint.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I know what you wanted, but you can't ask a question as subjective as who "won" and not expect people to base it off their opinion to some degree, especially if you do a poll. I mean, otherwise, what is the point of the discussion? Nintendo had more sales worldwide, so Nintendo won the gen. I mean, I don't know, do you want the thread closed now, because there's not really anywhere else to go if you are looking for the absolutely purest objective standpoint.

yeah I guess I should've expected that, but the thing is, the reason I made this thread is (just like I stated in the op) no one is debating who the winner of the 5th and 6th gen was.

the discrepancy with the 7th gen is that the best selling console was also so far behind in hardware with its competitors, that it saw a massive loss of third party support. and a lot of the 7th gen moved along without it.

for this reason, it isn't clear if the wii is indeed the winner of the last gen even though it is the highest selling. but no, i don't want the thread closed, i want more people to vote.