The Dark Knight Latino Review: Script review coming soon...

[fabman]

tell me bout the judge scene

 

[kytrigger]

Wasn't there another scene where Bruce was training still and had to climb a mountain side as slowly as possible?

 

[ultimatefan]

Ah, the good old days.

Remember though, our criticism may have improved the movie. In the first draft, Watanabe Ra's said NOTHING. In the final film, he had a mini soliloquy.

The only thing that I liked more about the draft than the final film was the original Falcone/ Batman confrontation. That scene rocked (with Bats holding the bullets that Falcone was missing)! Oh, and the Batman/ Judge Felan scene was damn cool, too.

Let´s not flatter ourselves, it was an early draft, that scene very likely was incorporated in later drafts. People were jumping into conclusions, simple as that. And some on purpose, too. Burtonites, Marvel fanboys, etc.

 

[Cinemaman]

The funnist thing is that some people started to think that Nplan is going to ruin Joker's look.

I will look at them after 1st pic of Ledger in make-up

 

[fabman]

YEP... start licking Ledger's a** :P

 

[Avernus]

Yeah. Latino's own.

I think Vida Guerra is a latino....so yeah...I concur..

 

[fabman]

vida guerra's HOT!!!

 

[Compi716]

tell me bout the judge scene

WHAM!!! A BLACK SHAPE LANDS ON THE HOOD – the Driver’s eyes go wide as –

SMASH!! – A BLACK GLOVED FIST SHATTERS THE WINDSCREEN and GRABS
the Driver’s neck…

IN THE BACK: Phelan sits BOLT UPRIGHT. The girls look around, ALARMED.

THE PARTITION SLOWLY LOWERS, REVEALING:

BATMAN.

Crouched like a dark animal on the hood – the Girls SCREAM.

Then Batman says something like, "You have eaten well...as Gotham has starved. This changes tonight."

 

[fabman]

cool

 

[BatScot]

Like I said in a similar thread, don´t expect that script to be the movie we´ll see in 2008. It´s probably either a story treatment or an early draft that will only give a general idea. A lot of sites reviewed an early draft of BB and some people here complained like hell for MONTHS over certain aspects of it that ended up changed in the final result. The structure was similar, but there were some important differences in characterization and plot points.

Let´s not flatter ourselves, it was an early draft, that scene very likely was incorporated in later drafts. People were jumping into conclusions, simple as that. And some on purpose, too. Burtonites, Marvel fanboys, etc.

Are you referring to the 'Goyer' draft here?

 

[BatMatt]

great news, things are really getting exciting around these parts again after a dormant year

 

[MJZ]

Look supposedly they said their review will be out next week. Those dysmal saps on the BOF forums are under the impression it won't be till 3 months from now. C'mon Shelly.

 

[ultimatefan]

Are you referring to the 'Goyer' draft here?

Yeah, I remember how some people were adamant about it being just like the movie that was going to be released... And some significant aspects of it were different, like the absence of the farmer execution, aspects of Falcone´s and Ra´s characters, Alfred questioning Bruce more, etc.

 

[BatScot]

Yeah, I remember how some people were adamant about it being just like the movie that was going to be released... And some significant aspects of it were different...

Although there were alterations in the shooting script, that script contained verbatim—if memory serves—something like 95% of the leaked draft, and that draft was accurately represented in the script reviews that broke prior to the leak, so it is fair to assume that any TDK script review that comes out—assuming reliable source material—even if it is based on an early draft, will accurately reflect the final film in the same what that the Goyer draft represented Begins.

Or to look at it another way, if two people unfamiliar with Begins were to write a summary of the film, one based on the Goyer draft and the other on the film itself, those summaries would be identical for all intentive purposes.

Long story short: If the TDK script review is based on similar source material as was the BB script review then one can expect that script to be the movie we´ll see in 2008.

 

[ultimatefan]

Although there were alterations in the shooting script, that script contained verbatim—if memory serves—something like 95% of the leaked draft, and that draft was accurately represented in the script reviews that broke prior to the leak, so it is fair to assume that any TDK script review that comes out—assuming reliable source material—even if it is based on an early draft, will accurately reflect the final film in the same what that the Goyer draft represented Begins.

Or to look at it another way, if two people unfamiliar with Begins were to write a summary of the film, one based on the Goyer draft and the other on the film itself, those summaries would be identical for all intentive purposes.

Long story short: If the TDK script review is based on similar source material as was the BB script review then one can expect that script to be the movie we´ll see in 2008.

If memory serves me, it was 70%, and some of the changes were important things, like the execution scene, Ra´s being more focused on revenge, Alfred being more conflicted with Bruce, etc. The differences covered most of the things that were criticized about the script for months here.

 

[IamtheBatman]

I believe LR.com when they say the script review will be out in a couple of days because they already have the script review up for Spy Hunter, Iron Man, and The Transformers but they had to take down the Wolverine review script because Fox studios asked them to.

 

[Steelsheen]

as i said guys, broad strokes. lets see what the picture looks like first before obssesing with the background ok?

 

[Alonsovich]

If memory serves me, it was 70%, and some of the changes were important things, like the execution scene, Ra´s being more focused on revenge, Alfred being more conflicted with Bruce, etc. The differences covered most of the things that were criticized about the script for months here.

It was less than 70%. To get screenwriter credit you have to rework a SIGNIFICANT amount of the script (around 40% percent of it), and Nolan got that credit, so the changes were much more substantial. Half of the Ducard training scenes were missing and done differently, a lot of the dialogues changed (finders keepers for example, the whole Ducard introduction in the prison and many more... ), the fights are 100% different than described in the script, the edition of the final draft is totally different (in the leaked draft the flashbacks to Bruce's childhood are much shorter and put more often between present scenes, unlike the final draft where these scenes are way longer)...

 

[BatScot]

It was less than 70%...

Some things are altered, some things omitted, and some things are added, a few scenes are rearranged, shortened, or lengthened, or are shot differently than was written on the page. None of this is out of the ordinary in the filmmaking process, but the structure, the story, and virtually every scene, character, and plot point—which for all practical purposes represents each page of the Goyer draft—is reflected in the film to the extent that the draft can be considered a complete representation of the script that was put on film. To say that “the final [script] is totally different” from the leaked draft is simply not supportable: in every significant way, the Goyer draft is Batman Begins.

 

[BatScot]

If memory serves me, it was 70%, and some of the changes were important things, like the execution scene, Ra´s being more focused on revenge, Alfred being more conflicted with Bruce, etc. The differences covered most of the things that were criticized about the script for months here.

But that’s not the contention you originally made, which was that we should NOT:

… expect [the LR script review] to be the movie we´ll see in 2008.

… when in fact—as past experience serves to show—it is a reasonable expectation to believe that such a review will be an accurate representation of the final film.

 

[gillberg2k1]

The real difference here is the execution of the different scenes.

The original Goyer draft is all through the perspective of David Goyer, not Christopher Nolan. However, the plot points and heart of the story are very much the same. To say that the final draft is "blank percentage different" is a bit silly. In reality, you read the that first draft through the perspective/mind of David Goyer, and then saw the full film through the perspective/mind of Christopher Nolan.

The screenplay is an ever-evolving, ever-changing thing. So sure, changes were made. Hell, there was some pretty cool stuff that was added, then taken out, even after screen tests and filming. The editing room is also a big culprit in how accurately the pages are translated to film.

But to add to the topic at hand. Jonathan Nolan is writing the screenplay based on the original treatment. Therefore, we're getting one consistent writer doing the translating and work here as opposed to Nolan and Goyer tossing it back and forth. Jonathan will stay true to his ideas and what he wants to get across in this film as well in every draft. So I think its safe to say that while there will certainly be some changes, TDK will stay pretty true to its initial draft and Jonathan will deliver a fantastic screenplay.

 

[Excel]

the goyer script had tiny changes though. no rachel/bruce in kitchen. batman vists rachel while shes sleeping stead of near the train. gordon punches out flass and steals his car instead of taking batmobile. batman and ras fight on train roof instead of inside it. batman blowes up the track himself instead of gordon doing it.

 

[ultimatefan]

Some things are altered, some things omitted, and some things are added, a few scenes are rearranged, shortened, or lengthened, or are shot differently than was written on the page. None of this is out of the ordinary in the filmmaking process, but the structure, the story, and virtually every scene, character, and plot point—which for all practical purposes represents each page of the Goyer draft—is reflected in the film to the extent that the draft can be considered a complete representation of the script that was put on film. To say that “the final [script] is totally different” from the leaked draft is simply not supportable: in every significant way, the Goyer draft is Batman Begins.

Alonsovich is right, the changes were significant enough to say it was not the same thing as the released movie. The general structure of the story yes, but individual scenes, characters, etc., were substantially modified. Just because the general bone of the story is the same, doesn´t make it an "exact representation".

 

[ultimatefan]

But that’s not the contention you originally made, which was that we should NOT:

… when in fact—as past experience serves to show—it is a reasonable expectation to believe that such a review will be an accurate representation of the final film.

30% is a significant difference, IMO.

 

[jamie_mcgonigle]

I really really want to read a script review of TDK now, please El Mayimbe!