Sequels Legendary Pictures & Thomas Tull Think Superman Sequel

[X-Maniac]

fair enough, but do you think you need to repeat over and over how much you hated SR and Singer's direction? I mean, We All know it by now, you've been very clear about it. I guess, we just can't have any type of constructive discussion then, sadly.

That's rather unfair - you repeat over and over how you found it compelling and beautiful. And you must accept that you cannot control the opinions of others or change their minds.

People are on here because they care about Superman. Although some people are here to defend Singer, regardless of the Superman element.

 

[stargazer]

The suit complaints have always struck me as nit-picking. Looked like the Superman costume to me. Hell I'm shocked he stayed so close to the original design. Complaining about Supes attire in SR is like complaining about the Silver webbing on Spidey's suit in the Spider-Man movies, it's just nit-picking. If the suit was my only problem with SR, I would be waiting with baited breath for the sequel.

Agreed. We agree on something!


jk, lol, have a good day, I see Spidey.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

fair enough, but do you think you need to repeat over and over how much you hated SR and Singer's direction? I mean, We All know it by now, you've been very clear about it. I guess, we just can't have any type of constructive discussion then, sadly.

And its very clear you liked the film. So I guess you are allowed to say that, as much as you want, in different ways. And what's your definition of "constructive", only discussing what you liked about SR and what you are looking forward to in MOS? ISS doesn't come in here and troll and just spout off Singer sux, SR sux and then just leaves without contributing anything else. Her discussions are just as valid as yours, sorry.

 

[stargazer]

edited by me.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If they make a sequel ofcourse they will put a Supervillain in it, (Zod probably) but that doesn't mean that they adequately set up a fantastical enough Universe for one. And I think that he would have to be dulled down. I can't imagine a villain like DarkSeid appearing in these films because there is a whole other planet and race of people ect..ect. They are damn sure going to have to change the tone. And a huge tonal shift can be rather jarring.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Agreed. We agree on something!


jk, lol, have a good day, I see Spidey.

You too. And I can/will disscuss anything with you or anybody else that wants me to.

 

[GL's Light]

Brainiac and/or Zod would be the most logical choices to take a sequel in a progressively more sci-fi direction after what was established in the first film. Although I'm sure Singer and his producers are well aware that using Zod would cause a lot of fans to scream bloody murder.

 

[stargazer]

I think because he focused on the 'human factor' not the 'sci-fi factor.' He even cut out the Krypton sequence because he felt it didn't sit right with the rest of the movie.

I'm not saying it's not possible to have a supervillain but that the focus in SR wasn't on fantasy elements, but on human soap opera. Superman's battle was with finding a place in the world and with his own heart, soul and feelings, not with external sci-fi beings.

No, human drama.


And yes, it was a film mainly focused on Superman finding a place in the world with some romance, but it also had the typical comic book elements of Superman saving the world from the evil villain and his evil plans for world domination. It was a character based film, there was action, but it wasn't the main focus. I know a lot of people expected the typical superhero movie as in popcorn flick, but SR was more than that, fortunately most people liked it, some loved it, and some disliked it. Oh, and some very loud ones hated it. lol.

 

[stargazer]

Let me ask you a question: was Batman Begins a box office failure?

No?

Okay, well then, neither was Superman, who made more.

Any expectation of box office performance is an expectation, subject to human flaw and exaggeration -- not reality.

Yes. Plus if most people disliked the movie soo much, SR shouldn't have sold dvds when they came out. On the contrary, SR sold very well (dvds), and the Superman Ultimate Collection, which included SR, was sold out. Also, SR had great rentals, like around 60 mil the first 6 weeks or so, I don't remember well right now. The film did well, considering that Superman didn't even puch anyone.. It deserves a sequel, IMO.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It wasn't a bomb but it was a disappointment at the boxoffice. It was a well reviewed movie that disappointed at the boxoffice. End of Story.

 

[stargazer]

That's rather unfair - you repeat over and over how you found it compelling and beautiful. And you must accept that you cannot control the opinions of others or change their minds.

People are on here because they care about Superman. Although some people are here to defend Singer, regardless of the Superman element.

OK, fair enough, I guess I find it very difficult to understand how fans have the energy to keep complaining over the same things over and over for nearly two years. However, I can easily understand that some people keep expressing their love and appreciation for the things they like, I guess. And no, we defend SR, Singer included since it's his vision.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

No, human drama.

You are referring to that compelling "human drama" that can be found on a typical episode of Maury Povich? Who doesn't dream up a Superman story like that?

 

[GL's Light]

SR was a box office disappointment, and was a less successful film than Batman Begins. Simply saying that Batman Begins was successful, SR grossed more, and therefore SR was also successful doesn't hold water. To what degree a film is a box office success or disappointment is judged in terms of how much it makes relative to its budget. Batman Begins had a successful return on its budget, while SR had a mediocre return.

 

[stargazer]

You are referring to that compelling "human drama" that can be found on a typical episode of Maury Povich? Who doesn't dream up a Superman story like that?

Way better than the drama in the Spidey movies, IMO.

And yes, I found very compelling the idea of Superman feeling alienated, goes chasing ghosts when seeking for any survivors in Krypton, he tries to find a place in the world, the woman he thought would never settle down was engaged to a nice guy, Superman gives his life to save the world while at the same time realizes that Richard is worthy of Lois's love hence he lets her go, and finally his prize for saving the world and losing Lois is finding out that he is a father. He is not alone anymore

 

[DavidTyler]

The suit complaints have always struck me as nit-picking. Looked like the Superman costume to me. Hell I'm shocked he stayed so close to the original design. Complaining about Supes attire in SR is like complaining about the Silver webbing on Spidey's suit in the Spider-Man movies, it's just nit-picking. If the suit was my only problem with SR, I would be waiting with baited breath for the sequel.

You know what? I wish I could agree with you but I just can't.

Superman's visual appearance is a part of the appeal as well as any other contributing factor. If done right, he looks powerful and exciting. The way Singer's costume was cut and coloured, there was very little excitement and Routh certainly looked out of proportion - i.e. Long torso, thin neck, narrow chest.

I'm a visual person and I require that the character be visually exciting.

Spiderman's costume was pretty much dead on. True it had raised webbing and the spider emblem on his back was different ... but it was so close those points were negligeable.

 

[batman44]

^Agreed DT. The suit does look like a Superman suit, but imo, not a visually exciting one.

 

[X-Maniac]

OK, fair enough, I guess I find it very difficult to understand how fans have the energy to keep complaining over the same things over and over for nearly two years. However, I can easily understand that some people keep expressing their love and appreciation for the things they like, I guess. And no, we defend SR, Singer included since it's his vision.

People speak out because they hope their voices will be heard, especially when there is activity on a project. They spoke for two years about X3 but there is no new X-movie to try to influence so they stopped. With a sequel seemingly going ahead, people want to voice their concerns and views in the hope someone is listening.

As for 'we defend SR', who is 'we'? Do you have collective thinking with others on here? Do you mean the 'royal we'?

 

[X-Maniac]

You know what? I wish I could agree with you but I just can't.

Superman's visual appearance is a part of the appeal as well as any other contributing factor. If done right, he looks powerful and exciting. The way Singer's costume was cut and coloured, there was very little excitement and Routh certainly looked out of proportion - i.e. Long torso, thin neck, narrow chest.

I'm a visual person and I require that the character be visually exciting.

Spiderman's costume was pretty much dead on. True it had raised webbing and the spider emblem on his back was different ... but it was so close those points were negligeable.

My partner saw the movie and had more problem with the visuals than the story. For me it was the other way round. So, for some people, the visuals would be an issue. I didn't like the dark tones and dark colours of the movie, but it was the narrative structure/editing that is my biggest complaint. My partner hated the lack of primary colours and the dark filters more than anything.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

You are referring to that compelling "human drama" that can be found on a typical episode of Maury Povich? Who doesn't dream up a Superman story like that?

Agreed. I didn't feel anything for the characters by the end of the movie. I felt something for the characters in the just okay X-Men and I felt something for the characters in the Spider-Man movies...for the most part, not a big fan of the part 3. I felt something for the characters in Hellboy, particularly Hellboy himself. I felt as much for the characters in SR as I felt for the characters in GhostRider. Thats why I don't want the story to continue, I didn't like the characters. Superman was turned into a moapy teenager (Thats Spidey's M.O) who didn't know that you could knock a woman up if you had sex with her. Assuming they were in a relationship, he didn't know that she would be angry that he left without saying a word to her or anybody else? He seemed confused about her reaction in the film.

And yes, I'm well aware of the fact that he is from another planet but still he has the exact same equitment as a human, it's not far fetched to think that she could maybe get pregnant.

Lois doesn't know who the father of her child is (she was shocked he exhibited superstrengh) why? Because she slept with Richard right after Supes left? They turned her in a very loose woman, because??? I don't see her being that irresponsable.

Richard was a nice guy but I still didn't care and the Kid...the less said the better.

Nope, I didn't give a crap about one person.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Let me ask you a question: was Batman Begins a box office failure?

No?

Okay, well then, neither was Superman, who made more.

Any expectation of box office performance is an expectation, subject to human flaw and exaggeration -- not reality.

Bosef, I love SR. But I was expecting it was going to be the winner at the BO that summer and WB was expecting that too. But you're right maybe failure wasn't the right word, dissappointment fits better.

 

[nintendo nerd]

But you yourself were surprised, perhaps disheartened, at Superman's lukewarm box office.

What you need to ask yourself is why people weren't running through the streets to get to see this film, DESPITE the positive reviews. And why all those glowing reviews didn't mean the film picked up pace as a 'must see' movie.

I wasn't on this part of the board prior to the movie so I am not sure what the general feeling was on here but I do recall that many people elsewhere on the Hype said SR would blow X3 out of the water. They ate crow for their meal, and were sat at the table with egg on their face.

So what was it? Crap marketing? Or a film that could not be marketed as an exciting summer superhero adventure because it just wasn't one.

Exactly. It was supposed to be the movie everyone was going to talk about on 2006. It wasn't. It was supposed to be the spider - man of that year it wasn't. Pirates made SR look really really bad.

 

[phil]

The few years leading up before Singer came aboard I was 100% sure with what technology can do now the next Superman movie would be one of the the biggest blockbusters of all time. Then when I saw Spidy it was a no brainer to use that as a bench mark and simply make a better movie. Spidy showed that the General Public loved the eye candy of the traditional looking Spiderman along with the cool effects.

 

[Super Kal]

no one said otherwise...but claiming that having a supervillain would be a leap is freaking ******ed when in the first donner films we went from a guy with a real estate scheme and a rocket to THREE PEOPLE WITH SUPERMANS POWERS

The mere fact that we have a protagonist whos an alien with superhuman abilities is proof enough that this universe isnt all that realistic

I said only certain super villains would be a leap because of the world within the story that Signer has created... and one of the reasons Zod, Non, and Ura worked was because they were blatantly mentioned at the beginning of STM, so it's very easy to have those 3 in a sequel.

with SR, you have nothing that could support the likes of a Darkseid, Satanus, Mongul, Doomsday, even Mxyzptlk... the movie storyline and world Singer has created doesn't give the qualities or characteristics for those characters to exist successfully.

The only one reasonable enough to be put in this franchise is Brainiac because of the floating island in space with the crystals on the surface

 

[nintendo nerd]

I said only certain super villains would be a leap because of the world within the story that Signer has created... and one of the reasons Zod, Non, and Ura worked was because they were blatantly mentioned at the beginning of STM, so it's very easy to have those 3 in a sequel.

with SR, you have nothing that could support the likes of a Darkseid, Satanus, Mongul, Doomsday, even Mxyzptlk... the movie storyline and world Singer has created doesn't give the qualities or characteristics for those characters to exist successfully.

The only one reasonable enough to be put in this franchise is Brainiac because of the floating island in space with the crystals on the surface

Or Doomsday who could be created by Brainiac.

 

[Super Kal]

yeah, that is a possibility... but now, were treading on what Burton wanted to do...