Sequels Legendary Pictures & Thomas Tull Think Superman Sequel

[bunk]

And people, how on Earth was SUPERMAN RETURNS "grounded in reality"? Just because it took place on Earth, and no one else in the movie happened to have any superpowers (Other than Jason)? Is that really the logic people have for why Darksied wouldn't make sense in a sequel?

Did anyone notice the man who could fly at supersonic speeds, lift amazing weight, shoot heat from his eyes, freeze things with his breath...and the crystals that grew into an alien continent?

How do you define "grounded in reality"? Other than SR focusing on an alien being, that seems to me like an appropriate characterization. The environments, the supporting characters within, all seem in step with what we all experience in the real world (those of us whom venture out). If anything, it seems like many feel SR is too grounded in reality...

Even though your argument was flawed, I agree Darkseid could easily fit in the established universe. We have one alien, I can hardly see why adding another would be pushing it. Toyman... maybe not so much.

 

[mego joe]

Agreed. I didn't feel anything for the characters by the end of the movie. I felt something for the characters in the just okay X-Men and I felt something for the characters in the Spider-Man movies...for the most part, not a big fan of the part 3. I felt something for the characters in Hellboy, particularly Hellboy himself. I felt as much for the characters in SR as I felt for the characters in GhostRider. Thats why I don't want the story to continue, I didn't like the characters. Superman was turned into a moapy teenager (Thats Spidey's M.O) who didn't know that you could knock a woman up if you had sex with her. Assuming they were in a relationship, he didn't know that she would be angry that he left without saying a word to her or anybody else? He seemed confused about her reaction in the film.

And yes, I'm well aware of the fact that he is from another planet but still he has the exact same equitment as a human, it's not far fetched to think that she could maybe get pregnant.

Lois doesn't know who the father of her child is (she was shocked he exhibited superstrengh) why? Because she slept with Richard right after Supes left? They turned her in a very loose woman, because??? I don't see her being that irresponsable.

Richard was a nice guy but I still didn't care and the Kid...the less said the better.

Nope, I didn't give a crap about one person.

I cared about Richard, b/c I felt he got was the one person who seemed like actually tried to do the right thing. It wasn't his fault that Superman was a jerk. But Richard was the ONLY one I cared about.

 

[VenomsMom]

I cared about Richard, b/c I felt he got was the one person who seemed like actually tried to do the right thing. It wasn't his fault that Superman was a jerk. But Richard was the ONLY one I cared about.

What up, Mego. Nice to see you around here again.

 

[mego joe]

It's common knowledge that the quality of a preceding sequel will lend to the success of the next.

Doesn't bode well for the sequel to SR then does it?

 

[mego joe]

What up, Mego. Nice to see you around here again.

THanks, just needed a break for a while.

 

[VenomsMom]

I cared about Richard, b/c I felt he got was the one person who seemed like actually tried to do the right thing. It wasn't his fault that Superman was a jerk. But Richard was the ONLY one I cared about.

I liked Richard as well . He was a Superman without an on his chest.

 

[VenomsMom]

THanks, just needed a break for a while.

Yeah.....I havent been here a while. Of course you could miss a year around here and the news stays the same.

 

[BMM]

Doesn't bode well for the sequel to SR then does it?

True. That is a possibility.

 

[KobiKai]

IMO if The Incredible Hulk reboot is success then a Superman reboot is guaranteed.
Also a costume adjustment is definitely needed because those short are completely fruity

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't know. Do you? That stuff very well could have been cut for budget reasons, but that doesn't neccessarily mean much in a film this size. Stuff is going to have to get cut. Look at how much was sliced out of X3 just because of the sheer scale of it all.

Yes, budget cuts are also made. I've no idea exactly what was 'cut' from X3 and what didn't make it for other reasons (creative etc). But we're not talking about X3, we're talking about things like an $11m theme-related sequence on the Krypton sequence being cut. If Singer really didn't want any 'sci-fi' he should have spent that $11m on something else.

And asking for more money on a massive film is directly related to cutting that sequence how, exactly? Fiscal management and wise USE of the budget are not neccessarily the same thing.

I'd say fiscal management and wise use of the budget are very much the same thing. He was asking for more money yet was cutting things he'd spent the previous money on. That doesn't sound very wise.

What is your point? Do you personally know how "costly" those items were?

The point is that money was spent on things never used and never seen. Just as with SR's krypton sequence. A bit more foresight would be good, then he'd get more bang for his buck.

And what does the budget have to do with that?

Simple. Singer's up for directing the sequel. A sequel with a lower budget. Will he be able to deliver a more action-related movie on LESS money? And will he use the Krypton sequence he excised from the movie the first time around. People on here are wondering if he's the right director for a sequel, indeed for Superman. So the budgetary concerns are part of that debate.

 

[X-Maniac]

You know what:

1) Go to film school..

2) Work your way up.

3) Find the creativity to be a director.

4) Discover how to manage, direct, and produce a movie.

5) Make one that people will like.


Then get back to me if you're going to analyze Singer's actions down to that detail.

People can criticize movies, but there's a line you cross where you need to be experienced in the film industry to make such wagers -- and you crossed it. It's the line where you start acting like you were up to direct the film.

No such lines are being crossed. I'm simply moving into areas where you are obviously unable to offer a defence, so now you resort to attacking me rather than explaining what I said.

I don't need to be at film school, or to be a director, in order to talk about the creative, budgetary, narrative and editing decisions on a movie. And since it's about Superman Returns, and since people are talking about Singer's involvement with a sequel, i'm in just the right place to do it.

 

[X-Maniac]

The Last Stand made less than X2 every single weekend after opening weekend, and that's unadjusted. Hell, it made less than the unadjusted weekend totals for X-Men for almost 3/4 of its run. The same goes for the weekly totals. It's one of the few movies I've ever seen make most of its money in its first four days and be unable to double it during the rest of its entire run in theaters. It didn't have very good legs. Granted, I'll give you that this doesn't excuse the underperformance of Returns, but you've got some bad information regarding how well it held up against its predecessors.

But, overall, it still did fairly well. The opening weekend was immense and I think that's partly down to the marketing and trailers as much as excitement created by a movie three years previously that, at the time, was not held up as amazing. Beyond that opening weekend of $123 million, it went on to make another $336million.

I do not recall rave reviews everywhere about X2 at the time of release as though it was the new Godfather or Titanic. There were some very bad reviews of it. I think both X-movies became thought of, over time, as decent movies that were worth seeing, but on opening weekend I'm not sure what was happening. With people at work, I was the only person who went on that opening weekend (i had also been to a preview screening a few days before and wanted to see it again). Dozens of people at work did not rush to see the movie, i know two of them went later on the second or third weekend.

 

[dark_b]

How do you define "grounded in reality"? Other than SR focusing on an alien being, that seems to me like an appropriate characterization. The environments, the supporting characters within, all seem in step with what we all experience in the real world (those of us whom venture out). If anything, it seems like many feel SR is too grounded in reality...

Even though your argument was flawed, I agree Darkseid could easily fit in the established universe. We have one alien, I can hardly see why adding another would be pushing it. Toyman... maybe not so much.

thats why i am asking. do we neeed flying pigs?
of course people walked on their two legs. of course people were wearing clothes. of course there were cars. i am now writting dumb stuff but this is how i look at this. the story didnt need anything super. it was a story about one alien who can fly.
i just dont get it. it looks like people are saying that it was to realistic......but they can not explain it.

 

[nintendo nerd]

There's a lot of tension on this boards right now.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

IMO if The Incredible Hulk reboot is success then a Superman reboot is guaranteed.
Also a costume adjustment is definitely needed because those short are completely fruity

You are right, but it's safe that The Incredible Hulk will be another disappoint.

 

[Showtime]

I never thought that WB even cared for a minute about Incredible Hulk, I was recently told otherwise. We'll see.

 

[GL's Light]

I really hope Warners doesn't base any of their decisions on how well a Louis Leterrier film does.

 

[tekcopedis]

Overblown too much, no? LOL, funny, funny world. You don't care, but where are your facts to say NO ONE cared?! LOL. Did you conduct a poll asking everybody out the theaters after watchin the film? Otherwise, well, it's just your opinion.

And I thought BB was good, but I really don't care much about it, though, I mean, I can't see the amazing and orgasmic inducing things others see.. It had a lot of cheese, and crappy action.. so..

Ask people on the street, the forums and the many many reviews basically saying its a "view but shut your brain off or you will get a headache" film slamming it.

That is why.

 

[BMM]

But, overall, it still did fairly well.

Without question.

I do not recall rave reviews everywhere about X2 at the time of release as though it was the new Godfather or Titanic. There were some very bad reviews of it.

I don’t think anyone is claiming that there aren’t bad reviews of it or that it was touted as the new Godfather or Titanic at the time, so I’m not sure where this is coming from. Still, X2 probably received more favorable reviews than a lot of movies do, and it’s one of the highest rated in the genre… but reviews don’t necessarily have much to do with the success or reception of a movie, not that X2’s contradict its success or the point I was initially making—a well received movie builds an audience and garners interest in its sequel.

I really hope Warners doesn't base any of their decisions on how well a Louis Leterrier film does.

I don't know how well The Incredible Hulk is going to do. Even knowing what I know about it compared to the last movie, I'm just as indifferent to it as I would be to any other Hulk movie.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I never thought that WB even cared for a minute about Incredible Hulk, I was recently told otherwise. We'll see.

I like the sound of that.

 

[X-Maniac]

There's a lot of tension on this boards right now.

There is some tension, yes. But I guess we're in a vacuum, waiting for news of a sequel moving forward so we are debating what's been going on and what a sequel might bring.

Some don't want Singer, some don't want Routh, some want neither. Some want Singer and Routh but a more action-oriented story with supervillains. Some want the same sort of thing as was in Superman Returns. With all those different things, there is bound to be tension. But I've found all the debates interesting, people have made some good points.

 

[nintendo nerd]

There is some tension, yes. But I guess we're in a vacuum, waiting for news of a sequel moving forward so we are debating what's been going on and what a sequel might bring.

Some don't want Singer, some don't want Routh, some want neither. Some want Singer and Routh but a more action-oriented story with supervillains. Some want the same sort of thing as was in Superman Returns. With all those different things, there is bound to be tension. But I've found all the debates interesting, people have made some good points.

Yes. But it's amazing the division there is with this movie. It's like 50/50. Not only here. But with the general audience. I mean most people liked BB or spider - man movies, and most people hate FF or Hulk. But with SR is hard to tell, don't you think?

 

[X-Maniac]

I don’t think anyone is claiming that there aren’t bad reviews of it or that it was touted as the new Godfather or Titanic at the time, so I’m not sure where this is coming from. Still, X2 probably received more favorable reviews than a lot of movies do, and it’s one of the highest rated in the genre… but reviews don’t necessarily have much to do with the success or reception of a movie, not that X2’s contradict its success or the point I was initially making—a well received movie builds an audience and garners interest in its sequel.

I guess I'm just trying to work out how much of X3's opening weekend success was down to the anticipation created by X2, a film three years before that was received favourably but was not some kind of monster blockbuster.

I wonder if how much of X3's success was anticipation, how much was marketing, how much was other factors.

 

[VenomsMom]

You are right, but it's safe that The Incredible Hulk will be another disappoint.

It is. Why?

 

[cronosred]

thats why i am asking. do we neeed flying pigs?
of course people walked on their two legs. of course people were wearing clothes. of course there were cars. i am now writting dumb stuff but this is how i look at this. the story didnt need anything super. it was a story about one alien who can fly.
i just dont get it. it looks like people are saying that it was to realistic......but they can not explain it.

I think people are confusing "grounded in reality" with "dilution of the property". Almost all comic book movies do this now some more than others, because the studio's either can't afford to do it bigger or they don't think the audience will except it.