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Lets flip it around shall we (for Trek and Watchmen fans)

I think Watchmen will be huge, like the next 300. 65+ million opening 200+ million domestic.


But seriously Star Trek isn't going to do that good, it had a great release date in December (which is pretty empty. no competition. Did wonders for crappy films like Alvin & the Chickmunks and National Treasure 2) but instead they want to go in the mix with heavy competition....okkkayy, good luck with that :dry:

I think the biggest films of 2009 are going to be Transformers 2, harry potter, avatar, and wolverine.
 
I think Watchmen will be huge, like the next 300. 65+ million opening 200+ million domestic.


But seriously Star Trek isn't going to do that good, it had a great release date in December (which is pretty empty. no competition. Did wonders for crappy films like Alvin & the Chickmunks and National Treasure 2) but instead they want to go in the mix with heavy competition....okkkayy, good luck with that :dry:

You do realize that the last Trek film came out a week before Return of the King don't you? It's release date was awful and the previous mediocre Star Trek film(Insurrection) hurt the movie buzz for Star Trek Nemesis which wasn't marketed well.

Any movie can do well with the right director, budget, release date, and marketing. Pirates of the carribean 1 is based off of a freaking ride and that film made fantastic money. Nobody expected that film to make over 300million and end up having a few sequels.
 
I doubt Watchmen would make more than $200m, whereas Star Trek actually has such chance.

Yes, May is going to be full of huge blockbusters, but WV will be equal to this year's Narnia 2 and T4 will be released by the end of the month. So I can imagine St making $200-250m.

As for Watchmen, it's R-rated and, although has a very huge marketing campaign, general public is still unsure what to expect from it. I'd say it will most likely gross at least more than $130m.
 
Maybe from a fans perspective...star trek is gonna be a dissapointment at best box office wise with its horrendous release date.

These are not even close to being the 2 biggest movies of 2009, lol. It goes:

1. Transformers
2. Harry Potter
3. Terminator
4. Wolverine
5. Avatar
6. 2012
7. Angels & Demons
8. Ice Age
9. G.I. JOE
10. Star Trek

2009s winter is very weak.

I dont care its not the point of the thread, god i didnt mean this to be a competition of whats the biggest movie of 2009 i just wanted to get your opinions on the two directors and their films. damn.

and cmon star trek is def above 2012, that movie looks like pure crap and i think everyone knows it after 10000 bc
 
I have to correct something I said. Star Trek Nemesis actually came out four days before The Two Towers in December of 2002. That's definitely one of the worse release dates I've ever heard of for a film.
 
You do realize that the last Trek film came out a week before Return of the King don't you? It's release date was awful and the previous mediocre Star Trek film(Insurrection) hurt the movie buzz for Star Trek Nemesis which wasn't marketed well.

Any movie can do well with the right director, budget, release date, and marketing. Pirates of the carribean 1 is based off of a freaking ride and that film made fantastic money. Nobody expected that film to make over 300million and end up having a few sequels.
Does it really matter that the last star trek film was up against ROTK?...that was a stupid move but the studios had a chance to grab that release date this time with no big competition. The biggest film coming out in December is probably the Curious cas of Benjamin Button (which isn't a big film at all and Star Trek would definitely crush it).

The last Star Trek films were pretty bad so I don't think thats going to help the situation. I can see the film having a good opening weekend but I don't think it'll have strong legs.

I doubt Watchmen would make more than $200m, whereas Star Trek actually has such chance.

Yes, May is going to be full of huge blockbusters, but WV will be equal to this year's Narnia 2 and T4 will be released by the end of the month. So I can imagine St making $200-250m.

As for Watchmen, it's R-rated and, although has a very huge marketing campaign, general public is still unsure what to expect from it. I'd say it will most likely gross at least more than $130m.
I don't know. I think Star Trek will make up to 150 million tops. I don't think it'll touch 200 million.

I don't think Wolverine will either. X3 left a bad taste in peoples mouths and also the X-men films have had amazing opening weekends (X2 an X3) but not so stellar legs.

I think Watchmen will be great however. It has had great marketing, it has gotten people interested who weren't interested in Watchmen before (like me...the teaser trailer really made me a new fan of Watchmen and I read it for the first time after I saw it with TDK), it has no competition, has a moderate fan base, it trailers were attatched to 2 of the BIGGEST films of the year, and it has been geetting good buzz.
Watchmen has a much larger fan base than 300 which is why I can see it pulling in those numbers again.
 
Comparing films of YESTERDAY in a series to films coming out currently is stupid, different directors, and actors creates DIFFERENT followings. Thats like saying oh batman and robin did horrible in the theatures so batman begins was supposed to.
 
Does it really matter that the last star trek film was up against ROTK?...that was a stupid move but the studios had a chance to grab that release date this time with no big competition. The biggest film coming out in December is probably the Curious cas of Benjamin Button (which isn't a big film at all and Star Trek would definitely crush it).

The last Star Trek films were pretty bad so I don't think thats going to help the situation. I can see the film having a good opening weekend but I don't think it'll have strong legs.

I don't know. I think Star Trek will make up to 150 million tops. I don't think it'll touch 200 million.

I don't think Wolverine will either. X3 left a bad taste in peoples mouths and also the X-men films have had amazing opening weekends (X2 an X3) but not so stellar legs.

I think Watchmen will be great however. It has had great marketing, it has gotten people interested who weren't interested in Watchmen before (like me...the teaser trailer really made me a new fan of Watchmen and I read it for the first time after I saw it with TDK), it has no competition, has a moderate fan base, it trailers were attatched to 2 of the BIGGEST films of the year, and it has been geetting good buzz.
Watchmen has a much larger fan base than 300 which is why I can see it pulling in those numbers again.

Don't underestimate the power of the film, it may very well be new Casino Royale, but with more money to make.

And you re-stated my words about Wolverine. By saying it will be equal to this year's Narnia 2, I mean the film will probably bomb.

But people didn't care about the origin of 300, they just wanted to see action and blood (or even spartans killing persians). Watchmen is very different, as it's a very serious story, which makes a lot of sense and requires mind work to understand the material. I doubt general audience will realize this, so it can only survive with its fan base. I don't hope, but I believe it will make enough money; however, I am not sure whether will it beat Star Trek or not.
 
I predict around a little less money opening weekend than 300. Like $60 million or so. I do think the GA will think it will look strange and that could put them off from it. But that could be the draw. Something different. Something we need in CB films!
 
I think Watchmen will be huge, like the next 300. 65+ million opening 200+ million domestic.


But seriously Star Trek isn't going to do that good, it had a great release date in December (which is pretty empty. no competition. Did wonders for crappy films like Alvin & the Chickmunks and National Treasure 2) but instead they want to go in the mix with heavy competition....okkkayy, good luck with that :dry:

I think the biggest films of 2009 are going to be Transformers 2, harry potter, avatar, and wolverine.
what about terminator?

its f... terminator. and the guy who was playing batman in the 500 milion TDK movie. :bow:
 
Comparing films of YESTERDAY in a series to films coming out currently is stupid, different directors, and actors creates DIFFERENT followings. Thats like saying oh batman and robin did horrible in the theatures so batman begins was supposed to.
actually thats a bad example :csad:
 
Maybe from a fans perspective...star trek is gonna be a dissapointment at best box office wise with its horrendous release date.

These are not even close to being the 2 biggest movies of 2009, lol. It goes:

1. Transformers
2. Harry Potter
3. Terminator
4. Wolverine
5. Avatar
6. 2012
7. Angels & Demons
8. Ice Age
9. G.I. JOE
10. Star Trek

2009s winter is very weak.

Epic lulz at you putting Angels & Demons on that list. If that even does come up on the list it would probably be closer to 10.
 
2009 is actually a pretty weak year. The big franchise films (transformers, terminator, and harry potter) will steal most if not of the thunder. Its 2005 & 2006 over again. The only films that will prob. top 250 is tf2, which will do near 400, and potter which will top 300. Youll have 2 or 2 HUGE hits and everything else in the low 200's or high 100's.

Avatar is KING KONG jr. If you guys can remember Kongs release back in December 2005, even though it wasnt THAT big of a hit, it had a massive media frenzy. Avatar will see a similar type of release. Mega budget, director of titanic, ect.

As for 2012, it is the most marketable film of the year outside of Transformers. That said, I wouldnt be shocked if they pull it out of Julu and stick it in December 2009. The Day the Earth Stood Still is about to be a big hit there, December 2009 is weak out side of Avatar, and 2012 is currently pinned between 2 huge films.

Avatar is a lot harder sell than King Kong, it's look is gonna be pretty unique and may well not connect with the general audience.

2012 looks like more of the same from Emmerich, I don't see it doing any better than The Day After Tomorrow.

Don't you think Terminator is like BB, with a lot to prove ?

Wow, you guys really don't think Watchmen will be that big? The trailers for Watchmen have been SICK and were attached to two of the biggest movies of this year so far (The Dark Knight and Quantum of Solace). Yes, it is rated R, but it has the potential and buzz to be the biggest R-opening ever, not to mention just a huge hit in general.

Also, the marketing campaign will make or break Watchmen, and so far, it's doing a great job. Like I said, the trailers have been great. The first one didn't tell any of the story, but rather have a taste of what the Watchmen universe is going to be like. This newest trailer has more dialogue and tells a bit about the story, and they've both been cut together nicely. Also, they've already dropped 7 or 8 different posters which will start popping up all over the place. We saw how big of a role marketing played in TDK's success. Watchmen will be no different (though obviously not nearly as big).

I don't see an opening of over a $100M, I think it's another tough sell, visually awesome but complexity themed for such cartoony looking characters, I hope the audiences "get it" for lack of a better term.
 
They are both very good at what they do. However, I don't think that Snyder would be well cut out for spearheading a Star Trek update. He's very good at faithfully adapting stuff, but I'm not entirely sure he's what I'd call a visionary storyteller. JJ Abrams on the other hand, is a great writer, and if he were adapting Watchmen I think he'd be more tempted to put his own stamp on it than faithfully adapt it. I am glad that they both are where they are, and not the other way around.
 
Maybe from a fans perspective...star trek is gonna be a dissapointment at best box office wise with its horrendous release date.

These are not even close to being the 2 biggest movies of 2009, lol. It goes:

1. Transformers
2. Harry Potter
3. Terminator
4. Wolverine
5. Avatar
6. 2012
7. Angels & Demons
8. Ice Age
9. G.I. JOE
10. Star Trek

2009s winter is very weak.

Angels and Demons? Please, I doubt people will want to see that after The Da Vinci Code had everybody in the theater taking a nap. Also, people in my theater were booing when they showed the trailer. :woot:
 
Watchmen is the movie event of the spring, that just doesnt say anything. I have it pegged around 48/50-150 right now.

Yes, May is going to be full of huge blockbusters, but WV will be equal to this year's Narnia 2 and T4 will be released by the end of the month. So I can imagine St making $200-250m.

Well no, at the box office ANGELS AND DEMONS will no doubt be the narnia of this year, but itll get a lot of coverage. Star Trek is more a wildcard that I would say is put in a position to dissappoint.

Epic lulz at you putting Angels & Demons on that list. If that even does come up on the list it would probably be closer to 10.

Its a Tom Hanks film opening mid May based on a big selling book that is a sequel to a film that made nearly 800 million.

Itll have no problem getting press.

Angels and Demons? Please, I doubt people will want to see that after The Da Vinci Code had everybody in the theater taking a nap. Also, people in my theater were booing when they showed the trailer. :woot:

The source matirial is too famous & the 1st film made too much for it to not get coverage. That said, I see it being a dud.

You do realize that the last Trek film came out a week before Return of the King don't you? It's release date was awful and the previous mediocre Star Trek film(Insurrection) hurt the movie buzz for Star Trek Nemesis which wasn't marketed well.

Star Trek is currently considered the opposite of cool. That trailer IS cool though. With a HUGE marketing effort, it CAN change the tide and produce an opening week over 50 or even 60 million, but right now its pegged for low to mid 40's. The brand just isnt popular at all.

Any movie can do well with the right director, budget, release date, and marketing. Pirates of the carribean 1 is based off of a freaking ride and that film made fantastic money. Nobody expected that film to make over 300million and end up having a few sequels.

Pirates 1 had a much better release date. If Star Trek was opening in June or even better July, itd be a different story. Weekdays in the summer a huge and propel movies to absurd grosses, just look at TDK. Itll tough though its possible for Trek to obtain real box office legs in the middle of May.

I have faith in Abrams and the films quality, and I would love to love this film & see it top A&D the following weekend, but its very unlikely.

Avatar is a lot harder sell than King Kong, it's look is gonna be pretty unique and may well not connect with the general audience.

Well see, it is very dependent on the trailer. If it looked wierd or not that impressive (remember when the polar express footage leaked back in 2004? that was supposed to be "groundbreaking") it might stumble a bit. BUT, if it looks like I expect it to look, amazing, like all of Camerons other groundbreaking effects have, buzz surrounding the project is gonna skyrocket. Its the bonafide film event of the christmas just like Kong was due too the lack of other competition. This will help it a lot.

2012 looks like more of the same from Emmerich, I don't see it doing any better than The Day After Tomorrow.

TDAT adjusts to well over 200 million today, and ww over 600 million.

Don't you think Terminator is like BB, with a lot to prove

Yup, but I would say Star Trek is even more like BB in terms of position, except it has a much worse release date. But hopefully itll have better marketing. Begins marketing was horrendous.
 
Well see, it is very dependent on the trailer. If it looked wierd or not that impressive (remember when the polar express footage leaked back in 2004? that was supposed to be "groundbreaking") it might stumble a bit. BUT, if it looks like I expect it to look, amazing, like all of Camerons other groundbreaking effects have, buzz surrounding the project is gonna skyrocket. Its the bonafide film event of the christmas just like Kong was due too the lack of other competition. This will help it a lot.

How is he going to showcase these effects to ppl who will mostly see the trailer in regular cinemas or online ?


TDAT adjusts to well over 200 million today, and ww over 600 million.

And this is the same movie, in a bad economic period, why would ppl rush to see it again ?


Yup, but I would say Star Trek is even more like BB in terms of position, except it has a much worse release date. But hopefully itll have better marketing. Begins marketing was horrendous.

In some ways I'd say it is even, Terminator Salvation has to get the message out of what the movie is and why there is no Arnie in a franchise he co built, then there is the stigma of the director, who bought himself some breathing room by casting fanboy fav Bale, but many are still skeptical, then factor in the T3 was seen as an underachiever and weak entry in the franchise. I'd say it has equally as much ground to make up as Star Trek.
 
It is pretty even. They are both straight up reboots taking it in new and different directions.
 
Yes, and WB need to start showing more with T4 IMO.

Im sure wewill, though Im surprised they havent done more to try and move night at the museum 2, which will get crushed anyway, but still.
 

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