Liefield's Cable #1 varient cover

[LemonSunday]

Drawing Kirkman's Killraven series, unfortunately.

 

[Darthphere]

Hold your horses there Darth. I said you can say whatever the hell you want, but I have a right to say its pointless...just like you said my comments were 'disgusting.'



What exactly is 'serious' to you?

I don't know, do you actually read comics? Because you keep making it a point to downgrade comics as kids stuff or something not to be taken seriously. Do you even like comics? I mean, it's not like I'll kill myself over a comic or anything, but I do take them seriously. You kind of have to when you go out and spend $3 for what becomes 5-10 minutes of entertainment.

 

[LemonSunday]

Five minutes? Jesus, man. Slow down and admire the art. If, you know, you think it's worthy of your admirmation to begin with. It is just comic book art, after all.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Its got a nostalgic ring to it. Theres those wierd rat tails that come out of nowhere.

 

[Darthphere]

As far as Liefeld pieces go, that's not bad.

 

[LemonSunday]

Its got a nostalgic ring to it. Theres those wierd rat tails that come out of nowhere.

Nostalgic = bad 90's art.

 

[Darthphere]

Five minutes? Jesus, man. Slow down and admire the art. If, you know, you think it's worthy of your admirmation to begin with. It is just comic book art, after all.

Some books are quick reads. Like Lone Ranger, I bet all that dialogue doesn't even take up half a page on Microsoft Word.

 

[LemonSunday]

Some books are quick reads. Like Lone Ranger, I bet all that dialogue doesn't even take up half a page on Microsoft Word.

I was just thinking of Lone Ranger. That really is one of the quickest reads each month.

 

[Darthphere]

I was just thinking of Lone Ranger. That really is one of the quickest reads each month.

I love the book, but there are literally like 7 pages in every issue where there is no dialogue, where they're letting the art tell the story.

 

[LemonSunday]

I love the book, but there are literally like 7 pages in every issue where there is no dialogue, where they're letting the art tell the story.

I'm fine with that. It's not like there would be a lot of dialogue happening anyway. It's mostly the Ranger and Tonto chasing after someone or being chased.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm fine with that. It's not like there would be a lot of dialogue happening anyway. It's mostly the Ranger and Tonto chasing after someone or being chased.

They remind me of those scenes from King Kong where Kong and whatever her names was just stare at each other for 10 minutes.

 

[LemonSunday]

I liked Peter Jackson's King Kong.

 

[Darthphere]

I liked the 90 minutes of it that wasn't pointless.

 

[LemonSunday]

Ouch.

 

[Darthphere]

It took them 55 minutes into the movie just to get to the island. Come on!

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

I don't know, do you actually read comics? Because you keep making it a point to downgrade comics as kids stuff or something not to be taken seriously. Do you even like comics? I mean, it's not like I'll kill myself over a comic or anything, but I do take them seriously. You kind of have to when you go out and spend $3 for what becomes 5-10 minutes of entertainment.

Not everybody adores comics the same way as you. Comics are a guilty pleasure for me. I indulge in it every month, sometimes I over indulge (especially when a nice graphic novel comes out). But I don't expect anybody else to see them as the way I do. I don't take the art that seriously...but I do take the stories pretty seriously. If the story is horrible I feel ******ed afterwards. Recently I've been reading Way's Ghost Rider and I felt like burning my comics after reading them. The art is a good selling point, but the story is what drives me in buying more. For instance, I bought X-force #1 because I saw Crain's artwork on it...the story itself turned me off quickly because Wolverine just doesn't make for a good leader.

Some people live by them religiously, some people are the on again off again reader..some people still think they belong in the Sunday section in newspapers. Personally anyway you look at it, its pop culture. It changes in relevance from generation to generation.

In the 90's comics were booming early in the period and pretty much DYING OUT in the late 90s (which is when I stopped collecting them). I just began again when Ghost Rider came out again, and I probably will quit when it dies out. The only other comics I collect are Conan graphic novels (written by Kurt Busiek) and the occasional Punisher MAX graphic novels by Ennis.

There is one other series that intrigues me and that is "The Boy who Made Silence" by Josh Hagler.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Peter Jackson's King Kong was magnificent. Just loved it.

 

[LemonSunday]

Not everybody adores comics the same way as you. Comics are a guilty pleasure for me. I indulge in it every month, sometimes I over indulge (especially when a nice graphic novel comes out). But I don't expect anybody else to see them as the way I do. I don't take the art that seriously...but I do take the stories pretty seriously. If the story is horrible I feel ******ed afterwards. Recently I've been reading Way's Ghost Rider and I felt like burning my comics after reading them. The art is a good selling point, but the story is what drives me in buying more. For instance, I bought X-force #1 because I saw Crain's artwork on it...the story itself turned me off quickly because Wolverine just doesn't make for a good leader.

Not to defend X-Force, but that's the point of the book. Wolverine isn't a good leader.

I wonder, though, why you would take the stories seriously, but not the art.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Good writers are the best part of the book. Maybe because I read more books than I read comics...Just my preference. I love Ghost Rider for the look and the stories...until Way f&*(*cked it up. I'm really digging Jason Aaron though...not a big fan of Roland Boschi. The best GR ever had it was under Howard Mackie's writing and Javiar/Tex art.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

As far as Liefeld pieces go, that's not bad.

Look it has feet! Also that big green thing on the floor in the right of the picture. If you looka the leg, you can clearly see he began drawing it facing supine (up to the knee), but when he got to the lower leg he switched it to prone..which explains why that 2 legged green thing has no calves. Regardless, he must have taken his time on this one. I wonder if the lack in quality of his work correlates with his lack of organization. I could have sworn he lost his contract to Captain America because he never met the deadlines.

 

[LemonSunday]

No, he lost the contract because his books weren't selling.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Heres a nice interview with Rob that came out fairly recently:

This explains what he's been up to lately:

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/ambi/103703124738773.htm

 

[LemonSunday]

Heres a nice interview with Rob that came out fairly recently:

This explains what he's been up to lately:

http://www.comicsbulletin.com/ambi/103703124738773.htm

That interview is five years old, at the very least.

 

[Darthphere]

Not everybody adores comics the same way as you. Comics are a guilty pleasure for me. I indulge in it every month, sometimes I over indulge (especially when a nice graphic novel comes out). But I don't expect anybody else to see them as the way I do. I don't take the art that seriously...but I do take the stories pretty seriously. If the story is horrible I feel ******ed afterwards. Recently I've been reading Way's Ghost Rider and I felt like burning my comics after reading them. The art is a good selling point, but the story is what drives me in buying more. For instance, I bought X-force #1 because I saw Crain's artwork on it...the story itself turned me off quickly because Wolverine just doesn't make for a good leader.

Some people live by them religiously, some people are the on again off again reader..some people still think they belong in the Sunday section in newspapers. Personally anyway you look at it, its pop culture. It changes in relevance from generation to generation.

In the 90's comics were booming early in the period and pretty much DYING OUT in the late 90s (which is when I stopped collecting them). I just began again when Ghost Rider came out again, and I probably will quit when it dies out. The only other comics I collect are Conan graphic novels (written by Kurt Busiek) and the occasional Punisher MAX graphic novels by Ennis.

There is one other series that intrigues me and that is "The Boy who Made Silence" by Josh Hagler.

You're so odd.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Lemonsunday,

Heres a nice interview with Rob about his dealings with Marvel:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=223http://www.comicsbulletin.com/ambi/103703124738773.htm

With Marvel, I put out my own press release, saying I was fired. Fired. The reason I was fired was because they went into bankruptcy. I got that call Dec. 26, 1996 and the call was from Scott Sassa [at Marvel and] said, "Rob, we've entered into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy... I assure you it won't affect your contract."

I hung up the phone. Had some guests over, looked at my wife and said, "They're going to completely boot me." It was one of those, "We're not going to do anything but you better brace yourself."

Two weeks later, I got a later in the mail, saying, "Your contract due to bankruptcy has been terminated, but we would like to renegotiate your contract at a renegotiated rate." They were citing low sales. Because in the comic book contract, anything under 300,000 - on Captain America - they could terminate me; they cited bankruptcy and low sales. I felt that the low sales was so hysterical and put it in the press release as to why I was fired.

It actually sold about 150,000 and the Heroes Reborn books were doing phenomenal. At one point, they said, "What do you think, they're going to do a million each?" Jim and I said, "No, no, no, no. That's not going to happen. You need to adjust. This isn't 1992."

From where those books were at - which in Captain America's case was selling 28,000 copies before I relaunched, 45,000 on Fantastic Four - we all launched at over half a million on the first issues. $3.50 cover price. Marvel was making a sweet deal.

Behind the scenes, they wanted to renegotiate. The problem was, I had already made deals with colorists, my letterers, my inkers, my pencillers based on the money I was getting on the contract. The idea that I had to renegotiate with all of them - Marvel offered me 3/4 less than the deal they had offered me.
They said, "We really want you to continue, we just can no longer to pay you [what we did]." I said, "Y'know what, all these other guys are going to walk." A couple of pencillers said, "We not going to take less than what you told me."

No matter what it is with Liefeld, it ends up being controversial.