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[Mr. Credible]

Given those two, you still think Mike is the best?

And Jay's great all the time lol

like i said, i like luda... he is in fact, one of my favorite rappers, but suffice it to say that shinoda is more my style. for lack of a better word, his rhymes are just... smarter.

 

[Cmill216]

Lupe Fiasco
Talib Kweli
Common
Mos Def
Black Thought
Jay-Z
Gemini The Gifted One
Both the dudes from Clipse

 

[Mr. Credible]

Lupe Fiasco
Talib Kweli
Common
Mos Def
Black Thought
Jay-Z
Gemini The Gifted One
Both the dudes from Clipse

there, that didn't take up too much bandwidth or time, now did it?

all good choices, though. i still preffer shinoda, but it's all a matter of opinion.

i find it hard to believe that you like such intelligent rappers, though, and only think shinoda is "average at best". oh well.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

like i said, i like luda... he is in fact, one of my favorite rappers, but suffice it to say that shinoda is more my style. for lack of a better word, his rhymes are just... smarter.

I'm clearly not listening to enough nor the right Shinoda songs.

 

[Cmill216]

i find it hard to believe that you like such intelligent rappers, though, and only think shinoda is "average at best". oh well.

It has nothing to do with what one defines as "intelligent rappers". It has everything to do with pure skill as a lyricist.

Mike Shinoda has had some good efforts, IMO, which I listed earlier. But his body of work as an emcee and his overall skill is average.

And NOTHING he has done within the LP discography should even put him in the discussion. Some Fort Minor tracks gave him some credibility, but that's about it.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Hey, if nothing else MC just made me curious enough to go seek out some samples of Shinoda rapping.

 

[Johnny Drama]

but deftones is not nu metal .

The Deftones are the kings of Nu Metal. Just because they no longer party with Fred Durst or tour with Korn, it don't change the fact that there fan base are trailer park kids who wear Jinco's and faded black band tees, or that Moreno raps over mindless power chords.

 

[Johnny Drama]

like i said, if you can name someone better, please do.

have you heard 'fort minor'? easily one of the best hip hop albums of the last few years.

Jay-Z
Andre form OutKast,
Rakim,
Method Man,
Eminem,
J Dilla,
Red Man,
Nas,
Clipse,
Common,
Mos Def,
Talib Qweli,
and so on...
and so on...

 

[Mr. Credible]

It has nothing to do with what one defines as "intelligent rappers". It has everything to do with pure skill as a lyricist.

Mike Shinoda has had some good efforts, IMO, which I listed earlier. But his body of work as an emcee and his overall skill is average.

And NOTHING he has done within the LP discography should even put him in the discussion. Some Fort Minor tracks gave him some credibility, but that's about it.

fort minor is what i base his skill on. and i base 'skill level' on intelligence.

oh, and i just downloaded a few lupe fiasco songs (the only artist on your list i hadn't heard of) and i can't believe you think he's a better lyricist than shinoda! from the 4 or 5 songs i've listened to so far, he sounds like your average, run-of-the-mill, dime a dozen "gansta' rapper'. i haven't heard anything so far that sets him apart from the crowd.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Hey, if nothing else MC just made me curious enough to go seek out some samples of Shinoda rapping.

check out 'fort minor'...


i hope he does another solo album.

 

[Mr. Credible]

Jay-Z
Andre form OutKast,
Rakim,
Method Man,
Eminem,
J Dilla,
Red Man,
Nas,
Clipse,
Common,
Mos Def,
Talib Qweli,
and so on...
and so on...

other than the ones i bolded, those are all good choices. again, it all comes down to personal prefferance.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

check out 'fort minor'...


i hope he does another solo album.

I heard that "Where'd You Go" single

 

[jaguarr]

A thread about sh1t-rock has turned into a thread about sh1t-rap. Yay.

jag

 

[Mr. Credible]

I heard that "Where'd You Go" single

oh yeah... i forgot about that song.

not really the strongest song on the album.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Haha, I'm not surprised.

 

[Cmill216]

oh, and i just downloaded a few lupe fiasco songs (the only artist on your list i hadn't heard of) and i can't believe you think he's a better lyricist than shinoda! from the 4 or 5 songs i've listened to so far, he sounds like your average, run-of-the-mill, dime a dozen "gansta' rapper'. i haven't heard anything so far that sets him apart from the crowd.

You're dead to me.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Lupe's best song IMO is "The Instrumental"

 

[Mr. Credible]

!

 

[Cmill216]

Lupe's best song IMO is "The Instrumental"

LMAO, which just so happens to be produced by....

I don't have a favorite Lupe song. Too many tracks on too many of his mixtapes to pick just one.

 

[Johnny Drama]

other than the ones i bolded, those are all good choices. again, it all comes down to personal prefferance.

You really think Shinoda is a beeter rapper than Andre? Seriousley? Have you listened to ATLiens, Aquemini, or Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik?
If your answer is yes and you still think Shinoda is a better lyracist then you have no business debating over an emcees skills,
and if you have not heard those albums and you would actually say Shinoda is a better lyracist, then you really have no place debating skills.
Shinodas lyrics were terrible on "Hybrid Theory", they were improved but still mediocre on Meteora, and they were merley tolerable on Fort Minors "The Rising Tide". This is not a thing about preference, if it was you would be simply stating that you like Shinoda better, but when you go as far to say he is "The best" (and you did say that) thats when it stops being a discussion of opinion and it has become a debate over fact. and the fact is: Mike Shinoda is a c-list emcee with minimal talent who did not get big of of his work as an emcee, he gained recognition through being in a rap rock band at a time when rap rock was hugely succesfull. His fan base were not hip hop heads, they were nu metal kids. He then used his fame aquired through non-hip hop young america to do the whole hip hop thing, and "The Rising Tide" was a decent album but not because of Shinoda, it was because of the amazing production value thanks to Mr. Hahn and Celph Titled.

 

[Cmill216]

^ Shinoda produced 99% of The Rising Tied.

 

[Johnny Drama]

^ Shinoda produced 99% of The Rising Tied.

99% is extremley exagerated, I promise you that. And anyway the argument is about his place among fellow emcees. His production has nothing to do with his lyrics.

 

[Johnny Drama]

Cmill, what part of Tampa are you from?

 

[Cmill216]

99% is extremley exagerated, I promise you that.

It's not an exaggeration. At all.

The only track Hanh was even involved with was "Slip Out The Back". Celph Titled just makes a brief vocal appearance on "The Battle".

Mike Shinoda produced the entirety of The Rising Tied. If you've ever listened to Fiasco's "The Instrumental" (which Mike produced), it's the exact same production style utilized all over The Rising Tied.

Cmill, what part of Tampa are you from?

I've lived all over Tampa, but I'm living in Orlando as of now.

 

[Johnny Drama]

I've lived all over Tampa, but I'm living in Orlando as of now.

I live in the Town & Country area, between Memorial and Hillsborough.
Small world, I used to live all around Orlando, but mainly in the Kissimmee area.