Logan Logan spoiler thread discussion

[Ivan Drago]

3 min of extra footage. thanks for the job

Spoiler

the shane undertone to this movie was a heavy topic in our meetings. enjoy the extra minutes because who's x-24? hes no one, hes the physical embodiment of a new body for wolverine - think xavier - mind - tranfer - redemption for his actions - and the open door for you know who. it is subtle much like it was for xavier, one was in a hospital bed, the other wakes to see his past burried, his future ahead should he choose to accept it.

Um what?

 

[C. Lee]

Someone fancies them self an insider.......what an original idea.....not.

 

[Jumpman]

For anyone who's seen it, does X-24 look like Old Man Logan? Or does he look slightly younger?

My contact/friend said that X24 is a younger version of Logan. He described him as Young Hugh. Big, hulking young Hugh Jackman.

 

[Jumpman]

Except this movie uses something from Origins as a major plot element...

Just one element. Only one. You don't have to have seen Origins to understand the one element from what I was told.

 

[marvelrobbins]

My contact/friend said that X24 is a younger version of Logan. He described him as Young Hugh. Big, hulking young Hugh Jackman.

so i guess they have a CGI making hugh look younger for X-24.

 

[GuestStar2004]

so i guess they have a CGI making hugh look younger for X-24.

Possibly but its also possible they just didn't make him look older since Logan is obviously meant to look older then jackman is.

 

[ironman_rick]

According to latino review, this movie takes place in a future timeline in which the future of Days of Future Past never takes place.

So does this mean, this movie is a standalone .....and the AOA cast can do their own thing in a phoenix movie ?



Here's the review from LR

http://lrmonline.com/news/logan-lrms-review-of-the-new-wolverine-movie

 

[GuestStar2004]

its meant to be set years after DOFP, Mangold has even stated so, although apparently recently he has said he is fine with the idea that its an alternative universe if they so wanted to say that.

 

[marvelrobbins]

According to latino review, this movie takes place in a future timeline in which the future of Days of Future Past never takes place.

So does this mean, this movie is a standalone .....and the AOA cast can do their own thing in a phoenix movie ?



Here's the review from LR

http://lrmonline.com/news/logan-lrms-review-of-the-new-wolverine-movie

well here is the thing.magold said logan takes place after other films.

if that is the case then if supernova is adaptan of dark phoenix jean may actully die at end.

unfortully this would mean the the original films have no relvence at all to
films anymore.yes logan still works as followup to original trilogy and first
2 wolverine films but the logic that original films are still important as they
lead up to time travel of days of future past is out the window if logan is set in timeline different than future ending of DOFP.

so maybe it's best to view films this way

contunity 1-origins,X-Men,X2,last stand,The Wolverine,Logan

Contunity 2-First class,Days of future past,Apocalypse,Deadpool

 

[marvelrobbins]

its meant to be set years after DOFP, Mangold has even stated so, although recently he has said the option is open that it could be an alternative universe, although that may not necessarily be the case.

which means at end of day they will just ignore logan in future films.I wish they would clarify and stick because the haters will have field day here.

they are free to recast wolverine and start bringing in new versions of iceman,rogue,colossus,kitty In supernova then.if they are ignoring the DOFP
future with logan then who says main X-men films won't though it kind of makes DOFP a waste of time.

 

[GuestStar2004]

which means at end of day they will just ignore logan in future films.

Well its an option but doesn't mean that they actually will treat it like Logan was an alternative universe going forward, especially if they carry on with X23

 

[Jumpman]

well here is the thing.magold said logan takes place after other films.

if that is the case then if supernova is adaptan of dark phoenix jean may actully die at end.

unfortully this would mean the the original films have no relvence at all to
films anymore.yes logan still works as followup to original trilogy and first
2 wolverine films but the logic that original films are still important as they
lead up to time travel of days of future past is out the window if logan is set in timeline different than future ending of DOFP.

so maybe it's best to view films this way

contunity 1-origins,X-Men,X2,last stand,The Wolverine,Logan

Contunity 2-First class,Days of future past,Apocalypse,Deadpool

This is how I think they should be viewed:

X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse, then finally Logan.

And yes, it's not a typo I skipped Origins Wolverine. And frankly, I wish I could skip half of First Class.

 

[X-Maniac]

which means at end of day they will just ignore logan in future films.I wish they would clarify and stick because the haters will have field day here.

they are free to recast wolverine and start bringing in new versions of iceman,rogue,colossus,kitty In supernova then.if they are ignoring the DOFP
future with logan then who says main X-men films won't though it kind of makes DOFP a waste of time.

It's pointless for you to be continually rearranging the viewing order of these films.

They are only loosely connected, and therefore directors make changes they want to make for their story to work.

In X3, Phoenix was suddenly a persona repressed by Xavier.

In First Class, Magneto and Xavier didn't meet when Xavier was 17, and Mystique was Xavier's stepsister.

In DoFP, Kitty suddenly had time-travel powers, and Banshee and Emma were killed off.

In XM: Apocalypse, Mystique was Storm's hero and the leader of the X-Men.

And, now, in Logan... we have another Caliban, an Xavier who killed off all the X-Men and whatever other things are in the movie because Mangold wanted them there...

This is how this franchise works. You either accept it or you don't. On here we make up all sorts of excuses and explanations, but the filmmakers just do what they want...

 

[psylockolussus]

Mess if Logan isn't set in new Dofp timeline but potentially good for the new future timeline.

 

[2kt09]

It's pointless for you to be continually rearranging the viewing order of these films.

They are only loosely connected, and therefore directors make changes they want to make for their story to work.

In X3, Phoenix was suddenly a persona repressed by Xavier.

In First Class, Magneto and Xavier didn't meet when Xavier was 17, and Mystique was Xavier's stepsister.

In DoFP, Kitty suddenly had time-travel powers, and Banshee and Emma were killed off.

In XM: Apocalypse, Mystique was Storm's hero and the leader of the X-Men.

And, now, in Logan... we have another Caliban, an Xavier who killed off all the X-Men and whatever other things are in the movie because Mangold wanted them there...

This is how this franchise works. You either accept it or you don't. On here we make up all sorts of excuses and explanations, but the filmmakers just do what they want...

You're mixing continuity errors (not bolded) with new developments (a staple of long running franchises) as well as still not getting how much the X-Men of the past can get away with after the soft reboot plot device. You can expect more of these devices as more timetravel shenanigans, alternate realities, and other universe shaking events are to come.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You're mixing continuity errors (not bolded) with new developments (a staple of long running franchises)

About right.

 

[marvelrobbins]

This is how I think they should be viewed:

X-Men, X2, The Last Stand, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse, then finally Logan.

And yes, it's not a typo I skipped Origins Wolverine. And frankly, I wish I could skip half of First Class.

hey i don't blame you there.if it wasn't for the wolverine and DOFP refearing
jean being killed i would skip last stand too.

while i certinly don't hate it first class is in my view most overated film in series.although there ar eprobally some who might say that about my favorate X film X2.

 

[marvelrobbins]

You're mixing continuity errors (not bolded) with new developments (a staple of long running franchises) as well as still not getting how much the X-Men of the past can get away with after the soft reboot plot device. You can expect more of these devices as more timetravel shenanigans, alternate realities, and other universe shaking events are to come.

here is thing many long running series and franchises dismiss or change things that were said about the past.Star Trek Is prime example of this.DOFP performed a soft reboot through time travel of contunity

 

[X-Maniac]

You're mixing continuity errors (not bolded) with new developments (a staple of long running franchises) as well as still not getting how much the X-Men of the past can get away with after the soft reboot plot device. You can expect more of these devices as more timetravel shenanigans, alternate realities, and other universe shaking events are to come.

They still all amount to changes made for dramatic purposes. And often with no regard for the other films. Mangold admitted the approach was unco-ordinated when he ended up putting Caliban in his film.

It was plain wrong to kill off Banshee and Emma, it was plain wrong to make Mystique the leader of the X-Men who is worshipped by Storm. It's a wonder Marvel doesn't launch legal action over what has been done to Mystique, because it no longer is the Mystique of the comics at all.

 

[2kt09]

That still all amount to changes made for dramatic purposes. And often with no regard for the other films.

Yeah, that happens a lot in long-running franchises.
X-Men in film in particular has had a history of having to rectify the decisions of previous management.

Mangold admitted the approach was unco-ordinated when he ended up putting Caliban in his film.

ok.

It was plain wrong to kill off Banshee and Emma, it was plain wrong to make Mystique the leader of the X-Men who is worshipped by Storm. It's a wonder Marvel doesn't launch legal action over what has been done to Mystique, because it no longer is the Mystique of the comics at all.

New developments can be subject to scrutiny.
Should Marvel take legal action on their own film studio as well every time a character is no longer that character of the comics?
Oh wait, "new development" just retconned it, so who cares...

 

[Ivan Drago]

I've been reading some responses from people who've seen it, they say [BLACKOUT]X-24 is downright scary, like a horror movie at times.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[def28]

I've been reading some responses from people who've seen it, they say [BLACKOUT]X-24 is downright scary, like a horror movie at times.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[marvelrobbins]

Yeah, that happens a lot in long-running franchises.
X-Men in film in particular has had a history of having to rectify the decisions of previous management.

ok.


New developments can be subject to scrutiny.
Should Marvel take legal action on their own film studio as well every time a character is no longer that character of the comics?
Oh wait, "new development" just retconned it, so who cares...

if you actully read the comics they have long history of retconning.case in point after age of apocalypse now dark beast created morlocks and sugar man was responable for mutates in Genoshia.

should fox sue marvel then for retconning quicksilver and scarlet witch as inhumans and not mutants and not being magneto's children

 

[X-Maniac]

if you actully read the comics they have long history of retconning.case in point after age of apocalypse now dark beast created morlocks and sugar man was responable for mutates in Genoshia.

Comics publish a story every month. There are multiple X-Men comics and they have to get creative to keep the comics going, but there is usually an underlying foundation for main characters and events.

should fox sue marvel then for retconning quicksilver and scarlet witch as inhumans and not mutants and not being magneto's children

That was wrong too. They should have kept the backstory vague, referring to a mysterious father with some sort of superhuman powers, enough for us to imagine Magneto might be involved.

 

[LoganPool]

I've been reading some responses from people who've seen it, they say [BLACKOUT]X-24 is downright scary, like a horror movie at times.[/BLACKOUT]

That's what I like to hear!