Logan Logan spoiler thread discussion

[Batmannerism]

I've read the plot synopsis on wikipedia so I know how it ends. The film sounds incredible, like on a par with TDK, as elevating itself above the genre.

The thing is, I feel like it's too tragic - and given how uncertain the state of the world is now, I'm not sure I can take seeing

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the death of two of my favorite characters, sure maybe Logan dies well saving those kids,and he always had to die someday, but I feel like it might be too depressing. OR, do you get a feeling of redemption, like he found everything that was good and noble about him in giving up his life for the kids.

What I'm saying is, is how bleak is the ending ? If it's uplifting, I'll rush out and see it, but if not, well......I'll wait awhile.

So what say you folks who've seen it?

I know this is a spoiler thread, but I've been growled at for using spoiler tags even in those, by militant anti-spoiler people, so I'm just being cautious here.

cheers.

 

[Weather Witch]

Honestly it's pretty bleak with a glimmer of hope and some surprisingly effective humor thrown in throughout. I saw some US reviewers who did comment that they would've wanted to see a more hopeful movie. That said, I believe the moment you let the quote unquote state of the world stop you from consuming entertainment then the world really does become a dark place. By the end of the movie I really felt like things had come full circle and that thankfully they didn't hold back.

 

[jed]

So I just got back from watching "Logan" in the cinema.

My reaction is pretty mixed on this one.

This movie is so violent, with so much bloody gore throughout the movie.

I only watch it because it's a superhero x men movie, otherwise I wouldn't even have paid to watch it in cinema.

I think they are trying to copy the success of "Deadpool"

Excessive, strong violence = huge box office

So if you like "Deadpool" or you have no problem with Hugh Jackman saying profanity every ten seconds, then maybe this is the movie for you.

But it isn't my cup of tea.


So they killed off Professor X midway into the movie. Are they going to bring him back to life again like what they did to him in X3?

And I didn't know that Xavier has a new power...causing sonic waves....

The movie doesn't even bother to explain what happened to the rest of the X-men. Where is Cyclops?? Jean?? Storm? Rogue?? etc.... They are all dead??

So Logan and Xavier are the last two surviving mutants on earth??

 

[BlackFox]

So I just got back from watching "Logan" in the cinema.

My reaction is pretty mixed on this one.

This movie is so violent, with so much bloody gore throughout the movie.

I only watch it because it's a superhero x men movie, otherwise I wouldn't even have paid to watch it in cinema.

I think they are trying to copy the success of "Deadpool"

Excessive, strong violence = huge box office

So if you like "Deadpool" or you have no problem with Hugh Jackman saying profanity every ten seconds, then maybe this is the movie for you.

But it isn't my cup of tea.


So they killed off Professor X midway into the movie. Are they going to bring him back to life again like what they did to him in X3?

And I didn't know that Xavier has a new power...causing sonic waves....

The movie doesn't even bother to explain what happened to the rest of the X-men. Where is Cyclops?? Jean?? Storm? Rogue?? etc.... They are all dead??

So Logan and Xavier are the last two surviving mutants on earth??

Xavier doesnt have a new power, he has a form of alzheimer's which are causing seizures in his brain which means he accidently sets off his existing power of freezing people but its faulty hence the "sonic" effect.

Xavier talks about how he had one of these seizures at West Chester and 8 mutants were killed, I think that makes it clear who they were talking about.

Shame you didnt like the film but just thought I would help clear any confusion for others reading.t:

 

[jed]

And half way into the movie, there's this evil logan Terminator clone. The movie doesn't even bother to explain the origin of this evil logan clone.

The surprising standout in this movie has to be the little girl who plays Laura. While she is great and represents a strong female character, I am concerned and find it very disturbing that a little girl is subjected to so much bloody violence throughout the entire movie.

She doesn't speak much. And she only starts speaking towards the end of the movie. And when she finally opens her mouth to speak, she spoke in some mexican?? language with a heavy accent which I kind of find it annoying.

Her voice doesn't quite match the character that she is potraying, and I would probably rather prefer her to remain silent.

And the main villain,Pierce is such a weak, lame character. Movie never bothers to explain how he got his robotic, mechanical arm. And the way he got finished off in the end, by a bunch of mutant kids...Not by Logan.... is kind of pathetic.


Oh yeah, I stayed back at the end but there is no after-credits scene.

 

[jed]

Xavier doesnt have a new power, he has a form of alzheimer's which are causing seizures in his brain which means he accidently sets off his existing power of freezing people but its faulty hence the "sonic" effect.

Xavier talks about how he had one of these seizures at West Chester and 8 mutants were killed, I think that makes it clear who they were talking about.

Shame you didnt like the film but just thought I would help clear any confusion for others reading.t:

Thank you very much for your explaination.

 

[Ryan1210]

And half way into the movie, there's this evil logan Terminator clone. The movie doesn't even bother to explain the origin of this evil logan clone.

That video of Laura's mother showed that they were replacing the kids with a more powerful killing machine and then at the end Rice explained why an adult clone is better than the kids.

 

[BlackFox]

Those have seen it, how does it rank with the MCU and Nolanverse films? Where would you place it?

Its very different to the MCU so its hard to compare as they are very contrasting styles for a CBM, which I think is great, diversity will only strive to maintain this genre's appeal and this movie broadens the scope of what CBM's can go for.

Its going to depend on your point of view of course on those other films but its as good a film as MCU's finest efforts Avengers/Winter Soldier/IM and also on par with TDK for the first half of this film I would say, so that is a heck of an achievement, I just think its narrative isnt quite strong enough to keep it going all the way to the end to say it tops TDK and The Avengers but it can and I'm sure will be talked about as being one of the best in the genre, the performances are too good alone to ignore.

 

[jed]

And I thought Logan has a healing power...meaning he is immortal?? So how could he die in the end? Maybe I wasn't paying much attention.

But there are some stuffs that I like about the movie such as the relationship between Logan and Laura.

I thought the ending was kind of touching, sad and bittersweet because Logan never experienced family.

But as he is dying, Laura said "Daddy".....

And he finally understands what it is like to have a family.


There is also some good set up and pay off......such as Laura watching a Western movie in the hotel room.

And during Logan's eulogy, Laura said those lines.....I believe they are from the Western movie.

And I like that during the final fight between Logan and evil Logan "Terminator" clone, Laura saves him by firing at evil Logan's head. Although that scene is just too violent and scary to watch.

No Stan Lee cameo.

I think that straight guys will enjoy it because there is a scene, where a woman inside a limousine flashes her breasts.


And I guess this Caliban is not the same as the one in X-MEN:Apocalypse?


I like that in the end, one of the mutant kids is holding a classic Wolverine action figure.

 

[PlayerUp]

1. He was poisoned by the adamantium injected from Weapon X Project. I'm glad that they went that route since even Lady Deathstrike (who has healing factor) was dead when being injected with too much adamantium.

2. I don't think X-24's healing factor is perfect since they had to use that serum to revive him. I guess it has something to do with Origins but I only watch that movie once lol.

Good points here.

You're exactly right. X-24 healing factor wasn't perfect. He was a prime wolverine but needed injections to heal properly. Also forgot about lady deathstrike. Good smart decision by the writers to do it this way I agree. Makes the movie even better when you start looking at the small details and how well they were done.

 

[Bren]

And half way into the movie, there's this evil logan Terminator clone. The movie doesn't even bother to explain the origin of this evil logan clone.

The surprising standout in this movie has to be the little girl who plays Laura. While she is great and represents a strong female character, I am concerned and find it very disturbing that a little girl is subjected to so much bloody violence throughout the entire movie.

She doesn't speak much. And she only starts speaking towards the end of the movie. And when she finally opens her mouth to speak, she spoke in some mexican?? language with a heavy accent which I kind of find it annoying.

Her voice doesn't quite match the character that she is potraying, and I would probably rather prefer her to remain silent.

And the main villain,Pierce is such a weak, lame character. Movie never bothers to explain how he got his robotic, mechanical arm. And the way he got finished off in the end, by a bunch of mutant kids...Not by Logan.... is kind of pathetic.


Oh yeah, I stayed back at the end but there is no after-credits scene.

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It is explained in the film the kids are supposed to be weapons, killers.
It is explained they don't want to kill.
It is explained the scientists find a 'better solution'.
They show this 'solution' in a glimpse in a tank. We know it's human looking.
They try to exterminate the children as failed experiments.
We find out the solution is a soulless Logan. Makes sense based on everything I've seen since X1.
Laura doesn't trust anyone (other than Xavier) and maybe traumatised. Certainly doesn't trust Logan.
She was certainly not allowed to be a normal person in the facility.
She slowly warms up to him (see how she noticed him caring for Xavier).
And hey, she speaks spanish because that's the language she was taught.

Yeah...

 

[jed]

That video of Laura's mother showed that they were replacing the kids with a more powerful killing machine and then at the end Rice explained why an adult clone is better than the kids.

I don't think she is Laura's mother. She is just a nurse working there who feels sorry and wants to help the kids.

 

[BlackFox]

I've read the plot synopsis on wikipedia so I know how it ends. The film sounds incredible, like on a par with TDK, as elevating itself above the genre.

The thing is, I feel like it's too tragic - and given how uncertain the state of the world is now, I'm not sure I can take seeing

Spoiler

the death of two of my favorite characters, sure maybe Logan dies well saving those kids,and he always had to die someday, but I feel like it might be too depressing. OR, do you get a feeling of redemption, like he found everything that was good and noble about him in giving up his life for the kids.

What I'm saying is, is how bleak is the ending ? If it's uplifting, I'll rush out and see it, but if not, well......I'll wait awhile.

So what say you folks who've seen it?

I know this is a spoiler thread, but I've been growled at for using spoiler tags even in those, by militant anti-spoiler people, so I'm just being cautious here.

cheers.

Its the bleakest comic book movie out there, which is fine as it is the ending of some things for these characters and a change of pace from the norm but its handled very well by Mangold. The ending yeah isnt a happy uplifting one as such but not totally bleak either as the young mutants survive to fight another day, sort of looking to the future. The end though fits the tone of everything that came before though so it makes sense it is the way it is.

 

[jed]

Spoiler

It is explained in the film the kids are supposed to be weapons, killers.
It is explained they don't want to kill.
It is explained the scientists find a 'better solution'.
They show this 'solution' in a glimpse in a tank. We know it's human looking.
They try to exterminate the children as failed experiments.
We find out the solution is a soulless Logan. Makes sense based on everything I've seen since X1.
Laura doesn't trust anyone (other than Xavier) and maybe traumatised. Certainly doesn't trust Logan.
She was certainly not allowed to be a normal person in the facility.
She slowly warms up to him (see how she noticed him caring for Xavier).
And hey, she speaks spanish because that's the language she was taught.

Yeah...

Thanks.

 

[Batmannerism]

Honestly it's pretty bleak with a glimmer of hope and some surprisingly effective humor thrown in throughout. I saw some US reviewers who did comment that they would've wanted to see a more hopeful movie. That said, I believe the moment you let the quote unquote state of the world stop you from consuming entertainment then the world really does become a dark place. By the end of the movie I really felt like things had come full circle and that thankfully they didn't hold back.

Well okay, fair enough. It's just that I'm not up for a tragic tale at the moment - but sometimes even tragedies can have very uplifiting endings, especially redemption stories - e.g. Gladiator is about a guy who loses everything and eventually dies, but still finds peace, it ends on an uplifting note. Similarly in Dark Knight Rises, after putting Batman through 2 hours of hell, Nolan gives the audience an emotional payoff.

For myself , I was kinda hoping Logan ended on a similar note.....

To me it sounds like

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Logan's death is very sad

, rather than uplifting - but I'm very interested in the impressions of people who've actually seen it. Is it a redemption story, or a tragedy, or a mix of both ?

 

[Bren]

To me it sounds like

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Logan's death is very sad

, rather than uplifting

It's not a cheerful film and even brief moments of lighter tone end in tragedy.

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Logan's death is very sad but to him it's a release. He gets what he wants but instead of suicide, it came their doing something massively worthwhile.

 

[rebellion]

Xavier doesnt have a new power, he has a form of alzheimer's which are causing seizures in his brain which means he accidently sets off his existing power of freezing people but its faulty hence the "sonic" effect.

Xavier talks about how he had one of these seizures at West Chester and 8 mutants were killed, I think that makes it clear who they were talking about.

Shame you didnt like the film but just thought I would help clear any confusion for others reading.t:

they said about 100 people were hurt and seven mutants died.. SOME of them x-men. so it isnt clear and we dont really know who is alive and who isnt.

 

[Bren]

i think that straight guys will enjoy it because there is a scene, where a woman inside a limousine flashes her breasts.

So that's all a bad film needs to be enjoyed by straight men? Some bewbs.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

 

[Batmannerism]

It's not a cheerful film and even brief moments of lighter tone end in tragedy.

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Logan's death is very sad but to him it's a release. He gets what he wants but instead of suicide, it came their doing something massively worthwhile.

Yeah, thanks for that when I heard about the

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adamantium bullet I immediately suspected Logan was keeping it to kill himself if the pain got too much to bear

.

I suppose if it fits within the tone of the film, then fair enough - similarly before seeing Man of Steel, I thought Superman killing deliberately was just wrong, but it totally makes sense within the context of the story - not that I'm comparing Logan with MoS, because by all accounts Logan is the best cbm to come along in a very long time, in terms of elevating itself above fun but kind of meaningless movies.

Thanks for your responses people, I will certainly check it out. Cheers.

 

[yaellen]

I like it as a movie, quite powerful. But as a superhero movie, though full of violence, was not a great experience (too sad). But if you are watching a swan song for an old hero, that is the tune you got. If you know what I mean.

The story itself was a bit predictable but it was well performed so did not bother me. The action scenes were great, the humor was welcome for this otherwise very gritty dark movie.

It is hard to rank this one among X-men movies because it is just so different. Definitely the best Wolverine movie and better than Deadpool IMO as a spin-off X-men movie.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I don't think she is Laura's mother. She is just a nurse working there who feels sorry and wants to help the kids.

What did you actually watch? Seems the entire movie went over your head.

 

[jmc]

Just got back from seeing it. Right in the feel people, right in the f***ing feels.

 

[jed]

What did you actually watch? Seems the entire movie went over your head.

Well, at first, she did says she is Laura's mother, but then later Xavier says she is not Laura's mother or something like that?? It's confusing...I can't remember


And what is with Laura's obsession with horses? Movie never bothers to explain.

And those kids. Did they reach Eden in the end? Is Eden a real place? Movie never bothers to explain.

 

[psylockolussus]

Xavier doesnt have a new power, he has a form of alzheimer's which are causing seizures in his brain which means he accidently sets off his existing power of freezing people but its faulty hence the "sonic" effect.

Xavier talks about how he had one of these seizures at West Chester and 8 mutants were killed, I think that makes it clear who they were talking about.

Shame you didnt like the film but just thought I would help clear any confusion for others reading.t:

So the eight mutants we saw in the new future scene from Dofp? Meaning Scott, Jean, Ororo, Marie, Hank, Bobby, Kitty and Peter? Oh dear.

 

[Ryan1210]

8 but only some of them are X-Men.