Logan Logan spoiler thread discussion

[Smilodon]

This actually doesn't coexist with DOFP, as the ending of DOFP is set in a future where new mutants should have stopped being born, yet we see young mutants running around the school. Wolverine mentions no new mutants had been born for 20 years, so they should have stopped being born in 2009, yet the end of DOFP was set sometime in the late 20-teens I believe.

So, long story short, they're two different cannons.

I mean, it coexists. It's just contradictory.

 

[Shadow Scars]

So the story we're going with is this is part of the new timeline post DOFP and they just didn't give us enough details for the mutant plot to make any sense? Got it.

 

[Weather Witch]

Wolverine mentions no new mutants had been born for 20 years, so they should have stopped being born in 2009, yet the end of DOFP was set sometime in the late 20-teens I believe.

So, long story short, they're two different cannons.

Or maybe all of the kids in the mansion were supposed to be 15 or older?

 

[Donner]

I think they just effed up the continuity...again.

 

[Shadow Scars]

This movie makes more sense if you pretend this is the first X-Men movie since X2 and that also makes an impressive trilogy.

I just read an article claiming the corn syrup was suppose to just keep mutants from reproducing or whatever but actually just wiped them out instead.

Mangold says this takes place in the new timeline yet Xavier says wolverine was a cage fighter when he first met him and mentions the statue of liberty incident from X1..

 

[UnknownCriminal]

So do X23, Rictor, etc become X-Force? I hope so.

I sincerely hope we never see X-23 and those kids ever again and that we never find out if Eden was real or not. Just so the perfect ending to this movie wouldn't have any chance of being ruined. I just don't need an answer to those questions.

Too bad the Fox executives are looking at the reviews and the box office numbers and already planning the X-23 solo movie as we speak. You all know it.

 

[samsnee]

It kills me Charles went out like that.

 

[Frankeh]

This movie makes more sense if you pretend this is the first X-Men movie since X2 and that also makes an impressive trilogy.

I just read an article claiming the corn syrup was suppose to just keep mutants from reproducing or whatever but actually just wiped them out instead.

Mangold says this takes place in the new timeline yet Xavier says wolverine was a cage fighter when he first met him and mentions the statue of liberty incident from X1..

It hurts my head just thinking about it.

Movie is great tho.

 

[redhawk23]

I'm still trying to sort out how I feel about the bit with cross at the end. It might be a touch too much but it's also a great image.

 

[samsnee]

I'm just curious how the adamantium bullet killed X-24 when it only gave Wolverine amnesia.

 

[HKpowerup]

It hurts my head just thinking about it.

Movie is great tho.

Haha yes, the timeline makes things way too confusing, which is why Fox smartly set this in the future and made few references to the other movies.

 

[Guts]

I'm just curious how the adamantium bullet killed X-24 when it only gave Wolverine amnesia.

X-Men Origins isn't canon anymore. I think that is a good enough explanation for that. In the flashbacks in X2, I thought it looked like Logan got amnesia after the procedure that gave him his metal claws instead of from being shot in the head with an adamantium bullet.
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[danoyse]

Ugh good point. So this can't even be the same time line. Why does Fox do this to us? I guess I'll just consider this a standalone and not even try to fit it in with the rest of the series.

Pretty sure that was his sword from The Wolverine hanging on the wall of his room where he was living with Charles and Caliban...just to throw that into the confusion.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I'm just curious how the adamantium bullet killed X-24 when it only gave Wolverine amnesia.

Is the adamantium bullet being responsible for Logan's amnesia referenced anywhere else in the series aside from Origins?

Because Origins seems to be the film that's been kicked out of the canon loop.

 

[Donner]

Pretty sure that was his sword from The Wolverine hanging on the wall of his room where he was living with Charles and Caliban...just to throw that into the confusion.

He got that sword after WWII though right? But if this movie follows The Wolverine, then I'm confused.

 

[danoyse]

He got that sword after WWII though right? But if this movie follows The Wolverine, then I'm confused.

He didn’t take it during the WWII scene. Yukio gave it to him when they met (although where it was at the end of the movie, who knows?). Looked like it was a nod to The Wolverine, regardless.

 

[DACrowe]

I do not believe so. Thing is I hated the adamantium bullet in Origins, but liked it here. It would be even better if we didn't all think about Origins when we first see it.

But considering First Class ignored Origins when introducing Emma Frost, and then again when Charles got paralyzed at the end, and then Apocalypse also ignored it by giving Cyclops a different origin for coming to Xavier's mansion, as well as for Logan's amnesia and berserker being closer to how X2 presented it...

Yeah, I suggest not thinking too closely about it and just trying to enjoy yourself. That goes for you all too.

 

[2kt09]

This actually doesn't coexist with DOFP, as the ending of DOFP is set in a future where new mutants should have stopped being born, yet we see young mutants running around the school. Wolverine mentions no new mutants had been born for 20 years, so they should have stopped being born in 2009, yet the end of DOFP was set sometime in the late 20-teens I believe.

So, long story short, they're two different cannons.

Put aside slowed aging be it for mutants in general or select mutants,
the youngest any of those mutants could conceivably be is 16 if it's set at the latest 2024.

 

[Donner]

He didn’t take it during the WWII scene. Yukio gave it to him when they met (although where it was at the end of the movie, who knows?). Looked like it was a nod to The Wolverine, regardless.

Nods are okay. I just don't know if they're completely cluster effing the timelines.

 

[Smilodon]

Yeah, I wouldn't consider the adamantium bullet to be connected to specifically to the film Origins in anyway. Something similar perhaps happened in the new timeline like Task Force X, but we will probably never know the specifics. Likewise with the katana. Logan probably in the new timeline had a similar experience to The Wolverine in Japan. It's just a nod to the character's history with Japan. The whole time is immutable. Similar things happened in the new timeline.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Logan still remembers everything that happened in the original timeline. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that maybe he paid the Yashidas a visit in the new era to help make things right (again).

 

[Greenlite]

Logan still remembers everything that happened in the original timeline. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that maybe he paid the Yashidas a visit in the new era to help make things right (again).

Ya my interpretation too, The Wolverine wasn't really wiped out after DOFP, it could still have happened, so the sword is more of a nod than a clue to the timeline, IMO.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Logan still remembers everything that happened in the original timeline. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that maybe he paid the Yashidas a visit in the new era to help make things right (again).

But the thing is when he woke up in 2023 he had no memory of what happened in the new timeline leading up to that point, only the previous timeline.

So it would be the new timeline Wolverine that went there not knowing about any of those events.

 

[Mutant 77]

Logan still remembers everything that happened in the original timeline. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that maybe he paid the Yashidas a visit in the new era to help make things right (again).

Or maybe he remembers ONLY what happened in the "original timeline".

 

[Mutant 77]

About the adamantium bullet:

Maybe X-24 is not as powerful as Wolverine used to be back in his mutant heydays, when the factor worked.

Or maybe the adamantium bullet used in Origins (Timeline Prime A) had a specific heat signature and could not kill Wolverine, just damage his head - as planned by Stryker anyway. Stryker wanted to damage his brain and annihilate his memory.

Remember, in the cinematic universe adamantium with a specific heat signature can pierce or cut cold adamantium (see The Wolverine). We must pretend the two adamantium bullets were "hot" or so.