Lounge of Justice - Part 90

[Black Narcissus]

You misunderstand me. It's an ugly word and no one should say it.

Perhaps a bad example on my part, I was mainly referring about why can't they/ can they, wear certain things from certain cultures. I know certain mcs still consider Eminem (just give an example) as a guest in rap/hiphop, but Em has earned his seat at the table to me.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I got no hatred toward anyone. And I recognize other issues in the world, but we weren’t talking about all that. We were talking about a black issue. I’m not one to lose focus and I don’t mince words. I also don’t do the name calling thing. So take a lap and chill. Happy to talk like adults again when you’re done.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Caitlyn Anganile on insta.

Ya'll are welcome.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Caitlyn Anganile on insta.

Ya'll are welcome.

Nastya Nass as well, courtesy of @chintai80. Lawd!

 

[Arachnerd]

 

[chintai80]

Nastya Nass as well, courtesy of @chintai80. Lawd!

she is the grandmaster of twerk. a sifu of twerk.

she wore a chinese dress to twerk in los angeles chinatown. LOL

my friend got offended. i did not.

those qipao’s are designed to accentuate a woman’s natural curves while still looking classy at the same time.

i am of the opinion more womens on earth should be wearing qipao.

one can maybe argue it is cultural appropriation. but this is a case of pro outweigh con.

hnnngh to unite us all.

 

[Daltonio]

 

[Micromind]

WW84 has crossed 22 million views on YT. (adding views on WB and DC channels)

 

[Micromind]

 

[Aurakles]

My understanding of this is that it's all about context.
Exchange of clothing, music and other forms of culture can be a wonderful friendly thing when their is mutual respect and a degree of equality.
But if one side has a history of being oppressed by the other, is still being oppressed by the other, it takes on a different aspect.
When there is a disparity of power, it sometimes doesn't look like sharing so much as stealing or imposing. If I've taken your rights, your land and your opportunities away from you, you might very understandable not want me taking anything else.
Especially if those things have become symbolic of oppression. If something comes to represent being proud of X culture in defiance of the oppression of Y culture, X people might quite reasonably be concerned when Y people start using it. If a hairstyle or a type of clothing is symbolic, there's a fear that it might be co-opted in order to corrupt the message.
Bringing this back tangentially to JL, think of the way Superman's shield is used in the Knighmare sequence, once a symbol of hope, it has been co-opted and turned into a symbol of fear.

I have never really been oppressed, so I can't claim to know how this feels, I can only try to empathise.

I think I might have experienced a very, very, toned down version of this. I'm Scottish, and we've had a bumpy relationship with the English. For the past 300 years we've been one country, the UK (along with Wales and Northern Ireland) but England is bigger with much a much larger population and they've always dominated power and culture. In the past there have even been concerted efforts to destroy Scottish culture, the old language (Gaelic) is all but dead.
Now being Scottish is not comparable to being a minority in the US, really I have equality with an English person. But the legacy is still there in the back of the mind, the knowledge that we were conquered, that this was forced upon us. There's the movement towards Scottish Independence which is belittled, we are told that we couldn't make it on our own, that we're not good enough.
So it is definitely a mild situation in terms of culture, but one day I saw an advert for haggis, a traditional Scottish food, which described it as "British Haggis" and I got angry.
I got angry because it felt like we were losing another piece of our identity, like they had come back for another bite.
As I said, it's not comparable, the situation with minorities in the US (and in the UK) makes my Scottish grumbling look petty, but I think it give me some insight into the state of mind that might be in play. I imagine something like my haggis feelings turned up to 11.

 

[KalvinEllis]

Even the perfect superhero movies sometimes delete scenes they should've kept. Scenes like this made MJ more likeable than people remember.

 

[chintai80]

My understanding of this is that it's all about context.
Exchange of clothing, music and other forms of culture can be a wonderful friendly thing when their is mutual respect and a degree of equality.
But if one side has a history of being oppressed by the other, is still being oppressed by the other, it takes on a different aspect.
When there is a disparity of power, it sometimes doesn't look like sharing so much as stealing or imposing. If I've taken your rights, your land and your opportunities away from you, you might very understandable not want me taking anything else.
Especially if those things have become symbolic of oppression. If something comes to represent being proud of X culture in defiance of the oppression of Y culture, X people might quite reasonably be concerned when Y people start using it. If a hairstyle or a type of clothing is symbolic, there's a fear that it might be co-opted in order to corrupt the message.
Bringing this back tangentially to JL, think of the way Superman's shield is used in the Knighmare sequence, once a symbol of hope, it has been co-opted and turned into a symbol of fear.

I have never really been oppressed, so I can't claim to know how this feels, I can only try to empathise.

I think I might have experienced a very, very, toned down version of this. I'm Scottish, and we've had a bumpy relationship with the English. For the past 300 years we've been one country, the UK (along with Wales and Northern Ireland) but England is bigger with much a much larger population and they've always dominated power and culture. In the past there have even been concerted efforts to destroy Scottish culture, the old language (Gaelic) is all but dead.
Now being Scottish is not comparable to being a minority in the US, really I have equality with an English person. But the legacy is still there in the back of the mind, the knowledge that we were conquered, that this was forced upon us. There's the movement towards Scottish Independence which is belittled, we are told that we couldn't make it on our own, that we're not good enough.
So it is definitely a mild situation in terms of culture, but one day I saw an advert for haggis, a traditional Scottish food, which described it as "British Haggis" and I got angry.
I got angry because it felt like we were losing another piece of our identity, like they had come back for another bite.
As I said, it's not comparable, the situation with minorities in the US (and in the UK) makes my Scottish grumbling look petty, but I think it give me some insight into the state of mind that might be in play. I imagine something like my haggis feelings turned up to 11.

all this.

per the reasons you've listed, i can see why someone in the america, like my friend might get a bit miffed by a person of the dominant majority adopting a chinese dress.

but as BN said, the social media world we live in exaggerates the hate that people like that teenager going to prom gets.

i commented on this earlier because a qipao is specific to my own heritage and was brought up in conjunction on the topic of cultural appropriation.

but i don't think one can really draw a comparison between wearing bantu knots and wearing a chinese dress. lol.
two vastly different contexts and cultural histories.

you can't go "if its ok to wear this item from X people, why can't we wear this from Y people?"
you just can't.

also, i've always wanted to try haggis. it looks gooood.
apparently, scottish imported haggis is banned in the states because we are not allowed to consume livestock lungs here.
but we can order it from amazon - but they are made without sheep lung.
so it's not authentic then!

 

[Aurakles]

all this.

per the reasons you've listed, i can see why someone in the america, like my friend might get a bit miffed by a person of the dominant majority adopting a chinese dress.

but as BN said, the social media world we live in exaggerates the hate that people like that teenager going to prom gets.

i commented on this earlier because a qipao is specific to my own heritage and was brought up in conjunction on the topic of cultural appropriation.

but i don't think one can really draw a comparison between wearing bantu knots and wearing a chinese dress. lol.
two vastly different contexts and cultural histories.

you can't go "if its ok to wear this item from X people, why can't we wear this from Y people?"
you just can't.

also, i've always wanted to try haggis. it looks gooood.
apparently, scottish imported haggis is banned in the states because we are not allowed to consume livestock lungs here.
but we can order it from amazon - but they are made without sheep lung.
so it's not authentic then!

Haggis is great and you're right, got to have the sheep lung in there!
You get vegetarian haggis which is good, but not the same.
You ban our sheep lungs, we ban your chlorinated chicken. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

 

[Da-Scribe]

My understanding of this is that it's all about context.
Exchange of clothing, music and other forms of culture can be a wonderful friendly thing when their is mutual respect and a degree of equality.
But if one side has a history of being oppressed by the other, is still being oppressed by the other, it takes on a different aspect.
When there is a disparity of power, it sometimes doesn't look like sharing so much as stealing or imposing. If I've taken your rights, your land and your opportunities away from you, you might very understandable not want me taking anything else.
Especially if those things have become symbolic of oppression. If something comes to represent being proud of X culture in defiance of the oppression of Y culture, X people might quite reasonably be concerned when Y people start using it. If a hairstyle or a type of clothing is symbolic, there's a fear that it might be co-opted in order to corrupt the message.
Bringing this back tangentially to JL, think of the way Superman's shield is used in the Knighmare sequence, once a symbol of hope, it has been co-opted and turned into a symbol of fear.

I have never really been oppressed, so I can't claim to know how this feels, I can only try to empathise.

I think I might have experienced a very, very, toned down version of this. I'm Scottish, and we've had a bumpy relationship with the English. For the past 300 years we've been one country, the UK (along with Wales and Northern Ireland) but England is bigger with much a much larger population and they've always dominated power and culture. In the past there have even been concerted efforts to destroy Scottish culture, the old language (Gaelic) is all but dead.
Now being Scottish is not comparable to being a minority in the US, really I have equality with an English person. But the legacy is still there in the back of the mind, the knowledge that we were conquered, that this was forced upon us. There's the movement towards Scottish Independence which is belittled, we are told that we couldn't make it on our own, that we're not good enough.
So it is definitely a mild situation in terms of culture, but one day I saw an advert for haggis, a traditional Scottish food, which described it as "British Haggis" and I got angry.
I got angry because it felt like we were losing another piece of our identity, like they had come back for another bite.
As I said, it's not comparable, the situation with minorities in the US (and in the UK) makes my Scottish grumbling look petty, but I think it give me some insight into the state of mind that might be in play. I imagine something like my haggis feelings turned up to 11.

Always like reading what you have to say. Thanks for this.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Disney Grapples With How to Proceed on 'Black Panther' Without Chadwick Boseman | Hollywood Reporter

Any of you read this? Even Feige didn't know that Boseman was battling cancer. And now Feige is trying to figure out what to do with the character of T'Challa. I see a lot of people saying that recasting should be out of the question but I think that's crazy talk. Would Chadwick have wanted for the character to end with him? Somehow I doubt it. Now, I think it'd be cool if they'll have Shuri take over the mantle but again I don't think they have to go this route.

 

[KalvinEllis]

I'd suggest do a Shuri spin-off first and then think about bringing T'Challa back afterwards. Reminds me of the Spartacus TV show when Andy Whitfield who played the character in the first season died of cancer, and then they decided to do a prequel miniseries centered around a different character, before they recast the Spartacus role with Liam McIntyre for the final two seasons. They let the audience breathe for a while and process the loss before they moved on with it. I think Chadwick would've been totally fine with something like that.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Wish they hadn't snapped Shuri. If she survived they could do a a Shuri movie that takes place between infinity War and Endgame.

 

[chintai80]

chadwick's friend and partner for their production company wrote a tribute and said his greatest acting performance was how he was able to hide his suffering from everyone.

seems like only his family and this friend knew about it.

friend saw him struggle and in pain privately, but when he went out in public or working on these movies, he put on a brave face.

i can't even begin to imagine the amount of strength it took to do that.

 

[Iceman]

I'd suggest do a Shuri spin-off first and then think about bringing T'Challa back afterwards. Reminds me of the Spartacus TV show when Andy Whitfield who played the character in the first season died of cancer, and then they decided to do a prequel miniseries centered around a different character, before they recast the Spartacus role with Liam McIntyre for the final two seasons. They let the audience breathe for a while and process the loss before they moved on with it. I think Chadwick would've been totally fine with something like that.

I’d be fine with that too.

 

[Predator jp]

the whole thing reminded me of Yusaku Matsuda, he was diagnosed with bladder cabcer right before shooting began for Black Rain but he refused chemotherapy as he thought it would affect his acting. by the time shooting finished it was too late and he died a year later.

f-cking cancer has taken away so many great people from us.

 

[chintai80]

the whole thing reminded me of Yusaku Matsuda, he was diagnosed with bladder cabcer right before shooting began for Black Rain but he refused chemotherapy as he thought it would affect his acting. by the time shooting finished it was too late and he died a year later.

f-cking cancer has taken away so many great people from us.

spike spiegel from cowboy bebop is also based on one of his movie characters.

 

[Gee]

the whole thing reminded me of Yusaku Matsuda, he was diagnosed with bladder cabcer right before shooting began for Black Rain but he refused chemotherapy as he thought it would affect his acting. by the time shooting finished it was too late and he died a year later.

f-cking cancer has taken away so many great people from us.

I have to rewatch Black Rain one day.

 

[MbJ]

 

[Arachnerd]

Saw this on Twitter earlier. Wouldn't be opposed to it.

 

[MbJ]

The Rock tested positive for covid. Wishing him a speedy recovery.