Lounge of Justice - Part 90

[heatvision38]

The last issue of Doomsday Clock was fantastic; although it would've been so much better if it came out on time. I am wondering how they are going to incorporate all of this into the main DCU. Given how Bendis run for the most part wipes all of this out.

I was a bit disappointed, though I'll see how I feel on a re-read of the whole story.

It has some of the same problems I see with most of Johns' big stories which is that he frontloads them and then rushes to the end, so it feels unbalanced to me. This last issue was like many of his conclusions- quickly resolved and then on to an epilogue that feels like it's more important than the story he just finished in order to set up future stories (and round and round we go).

 

[KalvinEllis]

 

[Greenlite]

So I read Mark Hughes reviews and sounds like Johnson really derailed the whole thing lol

JJ tried to get the stuff he set up in 2015 back on track with a huge exposition dump at the start and it's like they did the best they could with the situation (most will still like it)

While don't forget TLJ's cocktail effect on Solo lol

Killing two birds with one knife

Knives Out starring JJ Abrams as Batman

 

[Travesty]

Yeah, I heard about all of the exposition, which is my biggest worry. I hate movies with massive amounts of exposition. I think it's my biggest pet peeve with scripts.

Natural dialogue with a proper amount of exposition is fine, but when it becomes too much, I start getting turned off.

 

[kguillou]

Wasnt JJ all like “no no i loved what Rian did I’m not retconning of that.”

 

[Kane52630]

Rian Johnson Calls Pandering to 'Star Wars' Fans a "Mistake"

 

[The Guard]

What did Rian Johnson do that would be reasonably something they could retcon but also that difficult to retcon organically in a two hour plus Star Wars film? Are they saying the Empire didn't catch up the Resistance as many times as the previous film showed or something?

 

[Consona]

Wasnt JJ all like “no no i loved what Rian did I’m not retconning of that.”

Abrams is such a liar. First that over-dramatized he's-not-Khan thing, then he said Johnson's TLJ did not disrupt any of his plans yet from what I read, he retconned basically nearly everything from that film.

Some people say it's a bigger mess than TLJ, which I find very hard to believe. Poor Terrio being credited as a co-writer. And Trevorrow, who wanted to make it differently, as well.

The biggest shame is, one of the best composers ever having to make some of his last music for such movies. Eh. Hope he'll make Indiana Jones 5 with Spielberg. He's 87 already! Wish him good health, he should be visiting all the film studios daily and teach composers how he does stuff before it's too late.

 

[Legendver2]

The last issue of Doomsday Clock was fantastic; although it would've been so much better if it came out on time. I am wondering how they are going to incorporate all of this into the main DCU. Given how Bendis run for the most part wipes all of this out.

So started reading Doomsday Clock today, currently on issue 5. Without spoiling, is this canon? Because quite a few things in those first issues are new and eiether hasn't happened yet, or this ain't canon. The whole story so far doesn't read like canon DC at the moment, but I was under the assumption this whole deal is supposed to explain New 52 and Rebirth, or is that out the window now? Or I should just keep reading lol.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Random YT recommendation lol. I always knew she was a smokeshow in the 90's, but damn, she's otherworldly here.

I see why Cavill wants to do a sequel

 

[MbJ]

Pour one out for Terrio’s agent, who probably thought this was gonna be an easy and uncontroversial crowd pleaser in comparison.

 

[StarLord]

Pour one out for Terrio’s agent, who probably thought this was gonna be an easy and uncontroversial crowd pleaser in comparison.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

I was a bit disappointed, though I'll see how I feel on a re-read of the whole story.

It has some of the same problems I see with most of Johns' big stories which is that he frontloads them and then rushes to the end, so it feels unbalanced to me. This last issue was like many of his conclusions- quickly resolved and then on to an epilogue that feels like it's more important than the story he just finished in order to set up future stories (and round and round we go).

I loved how it showcased the importance of Superman.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

So started reading Doomsday Clock today, currently on issue 5. Without spoiling, is this canon? Because quite a few things in those first issues are new and eiether hasn't happened yet, or this ain't canon. The whole story so far doesn't read like canon DC at the moment, but I was under the assumption this whole deal is supposed to explain New 52 and Rebirth, or is that out the window now? Or I should just keep reading lol.

Keep reading it does.

 

[TheGuy]

Always felt his Oscar winning Argo script was completely overrated.

Zero Dark Thirty should have won that year.

 

[TheGuy]

Poor Terrio. BvS and JL were surefire garbage because of studio interference. His work, especially on BvS, will get lumped with this SW disappointment.

 

[heatvision38]

I obviously haven't seen the movie. If the film is bad I ultimately put it on the director. I see some stating a convoluted story which both Abrams and Terrio should take a hit on and some mentioning the exposition filled dialogue which falls more so on Terrio. Now I never think of Star Wars as having great scripts but the fact that several reviews mentioned a poor story/script makes me think it's bad even by the usual standards.

Based on how inert TLJ was and how it made the story move backwards, in effect, I had a hard time seeing how Abrams could get all the pieces together to make a satisfying conclusion. There are still so many story points that have not really been addressed or don't have proper energy to it (like, I still don't care about the actual plot of the resistance and First Order, it all has felt too small to me, as one example) that I have a hard time seeing how they would wrap this up.

Put another way, I'm not even sure what the storyline is that they are going to wrap up. If someone asked me what the central throughline threat or story was, I don't think I could really answer that. That should not be the case when going into the finale of a trilogy. So, I can certainly see how this movie had to pull an enormous about of weight to get it to have even some resemblance of a cohesive finale that would make this trilogy its own story that can justify its purpose for being.

 

[heatvision38]

I loved how it showcased the importance of Superman.

I agree, but I thought the finale was more tell than show in that regard. Superman himself, described by Manhattan as a man of action, was more written about than a character unto himself, imo.

 

[RomanticPenguin]

Reminder that Terrio is the one who pointed out Superman and Batman's mothers have the same name to Snyder.

Is it really just a coincidence i'm hearing the same complaints about too much plot like we did with BvS? I haven't seen it yet but sometimes maybe just maybe the studio didn't put out the hit ‍and Terrio isn't made for his.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

I agree, but I thought the finale was more tell than show in that regard. Superman himself, described by Manhattan as a man of action, was more written about than a character unto himself, imo.

The action was when he brought back everyone and all the world's and new ones too.

 

[heatvision38]

The action was when he brought back everyone and all the world's and new ones too.

Manhattan did that. Outside of one issue (the one with Superman and Firestorm in Russia), I felt the story expositioned Superman as a symbol of hope and selflessness rather than really show it.

Put another way, if someone didn't know who Superman was before reading this series, would they now know who he was? I'm not so sure. They would know WHAT Superman is, but not who and why. Maybe I'll feel differently on a full read of the story in one go, but this speaks to the issues I see a lot of writers have when writing Superman in recent years-- they write him as an idea or ideal rather than as a person. You can have the former because he is that, he is an ideal, but you also need the latter to make him interesting. I often find the actual writing of Superman uninteresting because many of the writers rely on "you all know who Superman is" rather than actually write him as a character. I don't think Johns did much different in this story.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Manhattan did that. Outside of one issue (the one with Superman and Firestorm in Russia), I felt the story expositioned Superman as a symbol of hope and selflessness rather than really show it.

Put another way, if someone didn't know who Superman was before reading this series, would they now know who he was? I'm not so sure. They would know WHAT Superman is, but not who and why. Maybe I'll feel differently on a full read of the story in one go, but this speaks to the issues I see a lot of writers have when writing Superman in recent years-- they write him as an idea or ideal rather than as a person. You can have the former because he is that, he is an ideal, but you also need the latter to make him interesting. I often find the actual writing of Superman uninteresting because many of the writers rely on "you all know who Superman is" rather than actually write him as a character. I don't think Johns did much different in this story.

I can see your point here which is why I've been very critical of this series because for an event that's supposed to be a Superman event I'm very disappointed that out of 12 issues he was only in 2 1/2 of them.

 

[Legendver2]

Yeah, I heard about all of the exposition, which is my biggest worry. I hate movies with massive amounts of exposition. I think it's my biggest pet peeve with scripts.

Natural dialogue with a proper amount of exposition is fine, but when it becomes too much, I start getting turned off.

Don't all Star Wars movie basically start out with a scrolling text of exposition?

 

[kguillou]

Bahahahhahaha Cats is at 14% on RT.

 

[Greenlite]

Wasnt JJ all like “no no i loved what Rian did I’m not retconning of that.”

I had a dream the other night, JJ said he is willing to play an ape for Matt Reeves.