Love this IMBD post about the Damage/Death Toll in MOS

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Yep. Zack should offer a director's cut.

 

[SentinelMind]

No, they were too.

uhmm..no...they were scenes of people walking around while Superman were fighting above them. Of course Snyder might say coincidentally Superman punched Zod into the right buildings...and that the building behind him that when Zod though a truck at him was completely empty so Superman didn't have to stop the truck from smashing the building and blowing it up. There was too much chaos for me to believe that Superman knew with certainty any destruction around him would have no impact on any human life. The movie didn't sell that part to me...Snyder cared more about the action.

 

[sf2]

it's sad to hear people's complaint that superman didn't save enough dan sacrifice enough to protect the people in the movie.

they only see the destruction...

Hey, Open up your eyes and mind!!!

superman has basically saved the entire planet!!! if not, scene like his "dream" would happen. and billions would die!!!

and superman has gone against his father's wish to revive krypton on earth. he has sacrificed his own kryptonian heritage by destroying the ancient ship (FOS) for the people of the earth!!!

what's more, you want him to do!!!???

 

[Krumm]

An MOS destruction video game.

http://ifanboy.com/articles/kyle-ba...eel-with-mass-murderer-of-steel-browser-game/

 

[robot]

it's sad to hear people's complaint that superman didn't save enough dan sacrifice enough to protect the people in the movie.

they only see the destruction...

Hey, Open up your eyes and mind!!!

superman has basically saved the entire planet!!! if not, scene like his "dream" would happen. and billions would die!!!

and superman has gone against his father's wish to revive krypton on earth. he has sacrificed his own kryptonian heritage by destroying the ancient ship (FOS) for the people of the earth!!!

what's more, you want him to do!!!???

Exactly.. this is the one complain that is so strong, yet so flimsy... i watched MOS twice.. the second time, i purposely see who he was responsible in killing, and let's face it, there were very little colateral damage caused directly by superman himself.. 99% of the damage was caused by the Terraforming machines... also, in such a fight against an opponent that throws you into buildings, there's no way to avoid it... plus, this is how superman fights in the comics/cartoons.. so, what's the problem?

 

[Marvin]

Exactly.. this is the one complain that is so strong, yet so flimsy... i watched MOS twice.. the second time, i purposely see who he was responsible in killing, and let's face it, there were very little colateral damage caused directly by superman himself.. 99% of the damage was caused by the Terraforming machines... also, in such a fight against an opponent that throws you into buildings, there's no way to avoid it... plus, this is how superman fights in the comics/cartoons.. so, what's the problem?

Some just wanted him to try and save people...I think.
Maybe a more concerned look on his face whilst it happened?

 

[robot]

Some just wanted him to try and save people...I think.
Maybe a more concerned look on his face whilst it happened?

Yes, I can definitely agree with that... I think that is the exact same problem with the entire film.. the cutting, the way each scene is done.. there's something missing..

Like you said, there needs to be some concern on his face as he was thrown into buildings.. maybe a simple look around to see if he hurt anyone, for instance... or, trying his best not to hit something, but failed?

IT's all in the script/screen play... the same thing for every other complain i see.. like lack of character development... because they cut off each scene so prematurely, you don't even have time to let the characters sink in... imagine if they just expanded the oil rig scene to 5 mins for example... or, 10 mins... have them show the workers working, and then explosions, and they can't get out... some manage to, some were stuck... the fire raging.. calls were made out, but no one is near enough... it looks like they are all doomed... then superman, swimming frantically to catch up as he hears them scream from his super hearing.. he was frantic, crawling at the water, bringing up huge waves, storms behind him... and manages to get there just in time.. breaks open the door, have the look or awe extended on the ppl inside, etc, etc... that would have transformed a forgetable scene into an instant classic squivalent to 'SR's Plane rescue scene'... they need do to this for many of the scenes actually.. not just bing bang, throw here throw there, mindlessly...

 

[sf2]

Yes, I can definitely agree with that... I think that is the exact same problem with the entire film.. the cutting, the way each scene is done.. there's something missing..

Like you said, there needs to be some concern on his face as he was thrown into buildings.. maybe a simple look around to see if he hurt anyone, for instance... or, trying his best not to hit something, but failed?

IT's all in the script/screen play... the same thing for every other complain i see.. like lack of character development... because they cut off each scene so prematurely, you don't even have time to let the characters sink in... imagine if they just expanded the oil rig scene to 5 mins for example... or, 10 mins... have them show the workers working, and then explosions, and they can't get out... some manage to, some were stuck... the fire raging.. calls were made out, but no one is near enough... it looks like they are all doomed... then superman, swimming frantically to catch up as he hears them scream from his super hearing.. he was frantic, crawling at the water, bringing up huge waves, storms behind him... and manages to get there just in time.. breaks open the door, have the look or awe extended on the ppl inside, etc, etc... that would have transformed a forgetable scene into an instant classic squivalent to 'SR's Plane rescue scene'... they need do to this for many of the scenes actually.. not just bing bang, throw here throw there, mindlessly...

those little close-up scenes wouldn’t break or make the movie. It’s totally fine for him to concentrate on taking down General Zod. And he has shown more than enough concerns for the people in the last scene.
What I can’t stand are those complaints about the imaginary scenes they have in mind.

 

[robot]

those little close-up scenes wouldn’t break or make the movie. It’s totally fine for him to concentrate on taking down General Zod. And he has shown more than enough concerns for the people in the last scene.
What I can’t stand are those complaints about the imaginary scenes they have in mind.

Most of the time, it's about the 'little' things that make/break a movie.. in MOS, it's quite apparent that a lot of 'little' things are missing... and that translates to huge disappointment for the critics, and 'meh' from the GA... for fanboys like us, we excuse a lot, so we still give it very high scores...

A good director/writer knows how to tell a story properly... ie, knows what needs to be in a scene, what not...

 

[BlueLantern]

Most of the time, it's about the 'little' things that make/break a movie.. in MOS, it's quite apparent that a lot of 'little' things are missing... and that translates to huge disappointment for the critics, and 'meh' from the GA... for fanboys like us, we excuse a lot, so we still give it very high scores...

A good director/writer knows how to tell a story properly... ie, knows what needs to be in a scene, what not...

Bang.

 

[sf2]

Most of the time, it's about the 'little' things that make/break a movie.. in MOS, it's quite apparent that a lot of 'little' things are missing... and that translates to huge disappointment for the critics, and 'meh' from the GA... for fanboys like us, we excuse a lot, so we still give it very high scores...

A good director/writer knows how to tell a story properly... ie, knows what needs to be in a scene, what not...

i disagree. the "little things" you refer to because you have make up your own scenes... just like what i did previously. [thinking by adding a little here and there would make the movie more complete]
as a matter of fact, the movie doesn't need those. it is very well explained. it is just going fast and people don't pay enough attention and miss them.

and i disagree the 'meh' from the GA. and the poor rating from the critics i choose to believe they didn't watch the movie with an open mind. they have preference and attachment.

 

[robot]

i disagree. the "little things" you refer to because you have make up your own scenes... just like what i did previously. [thinking by adding a little here and there would make the movie more complete]
as a matter of fact, the movie doesn't need those. it is very well explained. it is just going fast and people don't pay enough attention and miss them.

and i disagree the 'meh' from the GA. and the poor rating from the critics i choose to believe they didn't watch the movie with an open mind. they have preference and attachment.

You can definitely disagree...

 

[Regthar]

Just read Superman: Last Son today. It's obvious that MOS has had some inspiration from this story.

I was reminded of this thread when I read it though. In the story, Superman stops a "ship" about to crash land in the city. Looking at the way he did it, lives were surely lost. If not, serious injury at the least. But I didn't see Superman overly concerned about this, as he discovers a kryptonian kid in the ship.

Superman goes mental when he discovers that the government has taken Chris (the kid) away without telling/asking Superman first. He destroys expensive equipment on his rescue mission (which could be seen as a kidnapping), and threaten powerless humans.

Bizarro is unleashed and fights Superman in the city. Superman does not attempt to take the fight elsewhere and more destruction is layed upon the city.
During the fight, Chris has to save freaking Lois Lane, as Superman is to busy to do so himself.

Zod and his companions attacks the city, and a fight between Supes and the bad guys break out. More damage done to the city. Surely a lot of people were injured/killed. Lois is once more left to fight her own battles, as Superman is to busy.

Superman teams up with Luthor, Parasite, Bizarro and Metallo. He even arms him self with kryptonite weapons. He's throwing Zod through buildings and that's not even the worst: He obviously has no problem with Parasite and Metallo running around killing Kryptonians left and right.

As always, the Big Blue "Boyscout" wins. Shame about all the destruction though. If only the real Superman could've been there...

Just thought I'd post this, to all the people who think that the Superman from the comics, would never have allowed so much destruction. It happens in the comics too ;-)

 

[BlueLantern]

I didn't like Last Son for those exact reasons. It felt like an over the top blockbuster spectacle without tapping into the whys of the story.

 

[sf2]

I read that there was actually more destruction in early script. When the krpytonians found out their superpower... they exercised their muscle.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Superman can fight in cities in the cartoon and comics, causing all sorts of destruction and nobody bats an eye.

The simply hypocrisy is outstanding. People wanna go on about "balance" like it actually means anything. Comics are a different medium. Sorry Snyder didn't take 6hrs to show Supes to properly "balance" what you seem to have wanted in your Superman film.

In the cartoons and comics vehicles, all kinds of random objects and building after building get destroyed when Supes and the other heroes throw down and RARELY do we see interludes of Supes saving every kitten and little girl the writers happen to throw into the mix. Do me a favor, and point out all the instances where Supes takes the time to look around, concerned in the cartoons? Please do.

 

[robot]

Superman can fight in cities in the cartoon and comics, causing all sorts of destruction and nobody bats an eye.

The simply hypocrisy is outstanding. People wanna go on about "balance" like it actually means anything. Comics are a different medium. Sorry Snyder didn't take 6hrs to show Supes to properly "balance" what you seem to have wanted in your Superman film.

In the cartoons and comics vehicles, all kinds of random objects and building after building get destroyed when Supes and the other heroes throw down and RARELY do we see interludes of Supes saving every kitten and little girl the writers happen to throw into the mix. Do me a favor, and point out all the instances where Supes takes the time to look around, concerned in the cartoons? Please do.

Exactly right...

Plus, who wants a 'protector' who refuses to kill off even the most evil and powerful of villians, who'll likely go about causing the death of millions?

Now, I understand the purists, or the absolute 'moral code' that has been slapped on Superman, but in real life, that's just plain stupid...

It's kinda like saying 'marriage is for a man and woman' only...

 

[sf2]

Superman can fight in cities in the cartoon and comics, causing all sorts of destruction and nobody bats an eye.

The simply hypocrisy is outstanding. People wanna go on about "balance" like it actually means anything. Comics are a different medium. Sorry Snyder didn't take 6hrs to show Supes to properly "balance" what you seem to have wanted in your Superman film.

In the cartoons and comics vehicles, all kinds of random objects and building after building get destroyed when Supes and the other heroes throw down and RARELY do we see interludes of Supes saving every kitten and little girl the writers happen to throw into the mix. Do me a favor, and point out all the instances where Supes takes the time to look around, concerned in the cartoons? Please do.

i think the defense they would put up is cartoon isn't real. in movie, you see real building, real human.
...

 

[Loki882]

You had a group of super powered, battle hardened kryptonian soldiers who invaded a major US city bent on genocide. Superman and the US military desperately tried to stop them. People are GOING TO DIE. Superman had been saving people the entire film (it's how Lois found him in Smallville). Second, Superman did try to take the fight into space, and Zod hit him with a satellite. In the Smallville fight, Superman saved a falling soldier, and Zod's goon to advantage of the distraction and sucker punched Superman. Third, Zod was the one punching Superman through buildings, not the other way around. Those building may have not been full. The one building that Superman crashes into is clearly empty. Fourth, the damage to the city is not as severe as some are claiming. The gravity beam destroyed several city blocks and several buildings were damaged in the Zod brawl. However, Metropolis is huge and most of the city emerged without a scratch. Finally, Superman had been in the costume for two days and had never been in a fight before. The fact that he made some mistakes is only natural. He will learn from this battle and do better in the future.

 

[BlueLantern]

You're going in with the assumption that people don't understand the concept of a rookie Superman. You're not looking at the fact that people wanted to see something less overtly gloomy and inherently contradicting the film's themes.

The two fathers keep talking about choice and hope all the way through. This film's more about being forced to do things and about the grim endurance through tragedy.

By showing a Superman not yet capable of inspiring hope being thrust into a situation that will depict such destruction and the impossibility of saving lives on a microcosmic levels is what disappointed me. Don't know about the rest.

 

[Jaxon]

By showing a Superman not yet capable of inspiring hope being thrust into a situation that will depict such destruction and the impossibility of saving lives on a microcosmic levels is what disappointed me. Don't know about the rest.

This is where preconception about superman is hurting you. To make a point very clear, he is not yet superman in this movie

His look during all the fights is more of shock like, "hey wait I've always had to be restrained and I've never felt pain before, what is this?"

This movie is about learning to become that person with a high sense of morality and compassion for people, but let's face it, when you've got an equally powerful being who has lost his purpose and just going on a destructive and self-destructive killing spree, you know what, chances are innocent people will be in the way no matter what your intentions.


In superman 2 he just flew away and that somehow stopped the destruction? You kidding me? Those guys would have just kept on killing until he came back to stop it. That's a ***** script that has no grounding in what would happen in that case.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

uhmm..no...they were scenes of people walking around while Superman were fighting above them. Of course Snyder might say coincidentally Superman punched Zod into the right buildings...and that the building behind him that when Zod though a truck at him was completely empty so Superman didn't have to stop the truck from smashing the building and blowing it up. There was too much chaos for me to believe that Superman knew with certainty any destruction around him would have no impact on any human life. The movie didn't sell that part to me...Snyder cared more about the action.

Well, but the funny thing about those complaints are that Superman does not throw Zod into any buildings at all, nor does he destroy them.
Zod throws him through buildings that get destroyed, but never the other way around. The only thing Supes does is ram into a few already crumbling buildings when he takes down the scoutship and later on smashes Zod into a facade of a building, without it suffering any mayor damage.

I have seen the movie 5 times now and the last time I watched to last fight with those complaints in mind. Clark really does not destroy anything that hasn't been wrecked already. Sure, he doesn't go out of his way to safe buildings from collapsing, but he doesn't actively destroy them either. So its a ******** claim,made by people who wanna hate on the movie without really paying attention to what actually happens. All the mayor destruction comes from Zod.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

Most of the time, it's about the 'little' things that make/break a movie.. in MOS, it's quite apparent that a lot of 'little' things are missing... and that translates to huge disappointment for the critics, and 'meh' from the GA... for fanboys like us, we excuse a lot, so we still give it very high scores...

A good director/writer knows how to tell a story properly... ie, knows what needs to be in a scene, what not...

Does a almost 600 million dollar box office seem like a "meh" from the general audience? Nope. Thats you judging the movie, not the GA. The GA overall loved it. It has a "A-" viewers cinemascore. Thats not "meh". Thats "awesome!".

 

[Loki882]

I don't think that the movie was gloomy at all. In order to truly inspire, you need to be pulled into the depths of despair. Zod caused a lot of destruction to be sure. However, Superman responded like a true hero. Not only that, but the military and Daily Planet staff also responded well to the crisis. They're reaction to this crisis gives us hope for the better future. Self-sacrifice is a theme in this movie. Jonathan sacrificed his life to protect Clark. Dr. Hamilton, Col. Hardy, and others sacrificed their lives to stop Zod, and Superman sacrificed his no-kill rule to stop Zod for good. These selfless act gives up hope for a brighter tomorrow, especially now that Superman has been established.

 

[sf2]

I don't think that the movie was gloomy at all. In order to truly inspire, you need to be pulled into the depths of despair. Zod caused a lot of destruction to be sure. However, Superman responded like a true hero. Not only that, but the military and Daily Planet staff also responded well to the crisis. They're reaction to this crisis gives us hope for the better future. Self-sacrifice is a theme in this movie. Jonathan sacrificed his life to protect Clark. Dr. Hamilton, Col. Hardy, and others sacrificed their lives to stop Zod, and Superman sacrificed his no-kill rule to stop Zod for good. These selfless act gives up hope for a brighter tomorrow, especially now that Superman has been established.

Superman sacrificed his own krypton heritage and the only chance to revive krypton too. ( he destroyed the scout ship)