Superman Returns Making the audience care about Superman and the characters in his universe

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People need to genuinely and truly listen to retconned. He understands Superman. It's obvious by looking at this thread he started. Great job, btw.

How do we make the audience care?

Get rid of Jason. If you are bringing someone in, make it Kara, and wait until the 2d or 3rd film. Do it like STAS where she's a part of the Kent family, but complements it, and doesn't overshadow Clark.

Give Superman a threat that doesn't involve a certain character going for another land scheme. In that vein, stay away from the Donner franchise. It has it's own time, and now it's a different time.

I say don't make Superman so powerful that there's nothing that can challenge him. If he gets hit by something like a big missle, let him feel it. Put defined limits of power on the character. It makes the audience more empathic to the character.

Put in LexCorp Lex, and give him Mercy Greaves. Get rid of Kitty. She serves no purpose besides connecting the camp element to the Donner franchise by the way she acts. It also makes the film more cheesy, and with a superhero film, you want to win the fans over, not bring on the cheese.

Overall, I think a reboot is in order. That would be the best way to cut the ties with the Donner franchise. Let this Superman stand on its own. It's a new day, and a new era. We can go with an origin or an established Superman. The thing that's great about Bond, and it applies to Superman as well, is this: We know who he is, and we don't need an origin to tell us. Superman is considered the most popular cultural icon of the 20th century, and the is the 3rd most recognizable symbol in the world. Bond doesn't do an origin every time we get a new actor, and Superman doesn't need one either.

Make a trilogy that segues into each successive film. Clark's a reporter. Let's see some of that. I don't want to see a super intelligent Clark/Superman, but one who is knowledgeable about his job. Lex is fine for a first film, but give him a henchmen ala Metallo. Segue a second film into Brainiac, and a third one into an invasion by Darkseid and Apokolips. Each film escalates the challenge to Superman, and we see this, and the struggles. Introduce Kara in the second film, but don't have her do anything until a third when Superman needs help against Apokolips and Darkseid. That said, make the focus Darkseid and Superman in a showdown. Here's a twist, Darkseid leaves, but Clark realizes there are others who can conceivably beat him or challenge him significantly. This will really give the audience an empathy toward the character.

Thank you for the nice compliment, dpm07. Im just trying to do whats best for the character that we all love.

Nice idea's, btw

 

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The time for making excuses about this film is over.

 

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same rant different thread, i respect your words alot retconned, but their your words and not the consensus of the entire universe. DPM07 on the other hand wants the movie to be like a 90s cartoon show. Singar did what he did, The donner films are what made superman even more iconic then he ever was before. Perhaps singar should of went another way, but he decided most poeple know superman through them. Chris reeves superman may be the closets representation to what a real life superman would be like. But im not sure why you people can't just wait for him to improve upon the new movies in the sequel.

 

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same rant different thread, i respect your words alot retconned, but their your words and not the consensus of the entire universe. DPM07 on the other hand wants the movie to be like a 90s cartoon show. Singar did what he did, The donner films are what made superman even more iconic then he ever was before. Perhaps singar should of went another way, but he decided most poeple know superman through them. Chris reeves superman may be the closets representation to what a real life superman would be like. But im not sure why you people can't just wait for him to improve upon the new movies in the sequel.

I want to thank you for showing respect for me in this post, and I want to return that to you as well. I do respect your words, but Im afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

I personally belive that we have not seen the DEFINITVE version of Superman in any format, with Donner's film and the Animated Series being the closest thing to definitive, but there also at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Id be lying if I said I didn't like The Animated Series more than Donner's film because I do. I feel that Donner's film will always be liked for two, main reasons.

1. It was the first time in the wake of the campy Batman tv series that comic book material was taken seriously, not to mention how the movie was structured.

2. Christopher Reeve looking like he walked off the pages of the comics.

But to say it's the best interpretation of the character is, in my eyes, wrong. Superman was done right, yes, but everything else could be greatly improved on. Lois Lane, Lex Luthor, The Kents, Jimmy Olsen, Disco Ball Krypton, they all could be done better, and thats what should have been done with this film, again in my eyes. Donner's film probably contained the worst Lois Lane/Lex Luthor, and Singer borrowed from that and I can't understand why, but this isn't about Singer, I covered that at the beginning of the thread.

You mentioned seeing Superman in the real world. I think we have yet to see what it would be like to have a real life Superman captured on screen in any format, and that would be an excellent route to take in the future. I mean, what would people say if a virtually invulnerable alien in a red cape started flying around and helping people? You could make a kick ass movie on that plotline alone, if done right. And if we have a real life Superman, a real life alien on this planet, then there has to be other fanatical elements existing in the universe, hence your Braniac's, Darkseid's, etc etc. Im only going into detail on that because you posed an excellent comment.