Man speaks English, so landlord makes him take a hike

[Spade]

The article doesn't say he was consistently late on his rent, and even the landlord himself cites his ability to complete his "vision" for the place as his prime motivation.

 

[Addendum]

"He's not a good tenant, that's my opinion. He's been late on the rent."

So I guess the newspaper article just made that part up

 

[Spade]

Umm...when did I so much as insinuate that? I'm not trying to be mean, but some reading comprehension would do you good- I'm not denying that in the slightest.

 

[Addendum]

His "vision" was just one reason, including the late rent.

 

[jaguarr]

To all you people who insist on repeatedly posting the U.S. citizenship requirements, you are aware that there are other ways to legally live in the U.S. besides becoming a full-fledged citizen? Right?

jag

 

[Victarion]

How about this? If you want to learn English, then learn it. If you don't want to learn English, then don't. It's up to you and whether your decision helps you or holds you back, you own the ramifications of that for yourself.

jag

I Believe In jag.

 

[Darthphere]

To all you people who insist on repeatedly posting the U.S. citizenship requirements, you are aware that there are other ways to legally live in the U.S. besides becoming a full-fledged citizen? Right?

jag

No, Jag, we're the ones who won't listen.

 

[jaguarr]

No, Jag, we're the ones who won't listen.

It's because I don't put random words in bold or red text (or both). Isn't it?

jag

 

[Darthphere]

It's because I don't put random words in bold or red text (or both). Isn't it?

jag

Probably.

 

[Spade]

Sorry, but if a post doesn't involve eye-bleeding attempts at gaining my attention they're not important enough to read.

 

[Alonsovich]

He should have learned to speak Spanish, the lazy bastard.

Well... I don't blame him not wanting to learn a language with twenty-two verbal times... it actually requires a brain to learn our spanish language correctly...

 

[jaguarr]

Sorry, but if a post doesn't involve eye-bleeding attempts at gaining my attention they're not important enough to read.

I'll keep that in mind for future posts!

jag
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[Spade]

Oh...seems there's a user named..."jaguarr"...who posts here.

 

[jaguarr]

jag

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

But you are a bigot, racist, hatemonger, homophobe.

And for the record, what am I supposed to think of a person who calls a whole group of people "scum"? Oh what a swell guy.

Nell seems to be taking lessons from you in the "Make myself the victim" department.

You even quoted me as speaking about illegal immigrants with that post - they have broken the laws of this country. I can criticize them if I want to.

Also, if you actually read what I wrote, instead of only seeing what you wanted to see, you would understand that my negative statements, such as "scum", or anything else that I've posted, were towards people who -put forth no effort to be a productive member of this society-, not Hispanics, not immigrants.

I do believe that not putting forth the effort to learn the language that we speak here in this country goes towards not being a productive member of society. It is not the only thing that determines if you are a productive member of society or not, but tell me, if you can't even put forth the effort to learn the dominate language that is spoken in this country, why should I put in the effort to assist you with any language problems that you face?

And that is the problem that I see. I see -a lot- (not all - not even most - a lot) of immigrants who don't put forth any effort to learn the language of this country, and always just expect that there will be someone there to deal with their problem for them by speaking their language.

I have also seen a lot of immigrants who struggle with English, but put forth an effort at the very least to familiarize themselves with the English language, and when I see that effort, then I have absolutley no problem offering what assistance I can and meeting them halfway, and I am happy to do it.

And for the record, as far as being a "productive member of society", since you all want to play the race card on me, even though race is irrelevant, there are a lot of white people who put forth no effort to be a productive member of this society, whether they speak English or not, and they are just as much "scum" as any non-white who isn't attempting to be a productive member of this society. But this conversation isn't about them. This conversation is about immigrants - specifically, immigrants who come to this country and cannot be bothered to learn how to speak the language that is spoken here.

Does not speaking English in and of itself make them scum? No. But usually, it's not as isolated as "speak English or don't". In my experiences (and more than just 1 person who made fun of me for attempting to speak Spanish to him, and more than just people I have to deal with at the mall), people who don't learn how to speak English, and don't even -TRY- to learn the language, are the same people who are here illegally, not registered, don't pay taxes, but still get the same healthcare benefits and educational benefits that I do, as a hardworking citizen who does pay my taxes, and is here legally. I don't care what jobs they do in the fields, for how little pay. The employers that hire them are also breaking the law by paying these people under the table so that they don't have to pay taxes and can just send their money back to Mexico.

You may think this is some anti-Mexican immigration rant, or vendetta, or whatever you want to believe, which is utter bull**** and completely unsupported by anything I have stated in this thread. You just want to turn it into that, because the people I have a problem with -happen- to be immigrants of Hispanic descent.

It is not a Mexican issue, not even an immigration issue. My entire life, I have been around pretty much nothing but hispanic people. I have grown up in a hispanic neighborhood, grew up with hispanic friends, and outside of my own family have only 2 white friends. I don't think they are all "scum" who drive without liscenses and I.D's. They are people whom I admire, and respect. ****in' aye, my own brother is quarter Mexican (we have different mothers), so I have Mexicans in my own family. This is hardly the race issue you want to turn it into.

It's not racism, it's not bigotry, and it's not being anti-immigration. I don't even condone the sending back of illegal immigrants to Mexico, or whatever country they have come from. I'm pretty liberal in that regard, that they deserve a 2nd chance to gain their citizenship (or legality, for those who keep *****ing about the living here as a non-citizen crap), especially if they have been here for a very long period of time, and have established their families here.

The only thing that I ask is an -attempt- to actually show that you want to be an American, that you want to be a part of this country, and the society we have here. I want people who want to be here. And I don't believe that expecting you to learn English when you come to an English speaking nation to live is expecting too much. For people who are here illegally, if you pay a consequence for breaking the laws of this nation, and commit to learning English, then as far as I'm concerned, you can stay. If not, then yes, I believe you should be sent back.

If you are here -legally- and don't speak English, well then there's really not much to send you back to, since this is your home. You're already here legally. And I guess there's no way to force people who are here legally to speak the language. But I, as a legal American citizen, can still -expect you- to put forth the effort to learn our language before I ever even think about assisting you with the language barrier.

And if it's as racist as all of you are making it out to be, how come nearly every hispanic person I know feels the -exact- same way that I do about this issue?

It's not a racial issue, and I honestly don't appreciate you trying to turn it into one so that you can paint me out as some kind of *******, and make me look bad, and yourselves look good. I -really- don't like Mr. Sparkle's immature and childish attitude in regards to this entire situation, resorting to childish name calling, and petty nitpicking of minor spelling errors I have made (even if I have made a few of them). Nobody is perfect, and my misspelling of a few words is hardly anything close to the equivelent of not speaking the dominate language of your country.

For the person who keeps saying "a lot" is a generalization, no it's not.

To go back to the example: "A lot of blacks are predisposed to crime"... that is -not- a generalization. A lot of black people ARE criminals.

A generalization would be "that person is black, so he is more likely to be a criminal"

THAT is a generalization. There is nothing about being black that makes somebody more likely to be a criminal. There is nothing about being black that predisposes them to being a criminal. But, there are a lot of criminals who are black. Or a lot of black people who are criminals. It's not a percentage. It's not "most blacks are criminals", or "most criminals are black". It is "a lot of criminals are black" or "a lot of black people are criminals". The same can be said of ANY race, and ANY situation. It is a fact, not a generalization.

A lot of immigrants -do- drive without liscenses. That is not a generalization.

If I assumed someone did not have a liscense of valid state issued I.D. because of their ethnicity, that would be a generalization, and I have not done that. You are merely turning it into that, because you want to turn this into a race issue and paint me as a bad guy, when this is not a race issue at all, and the only one turning into such is you.

 

[Darthphere]

Also, if you actually read what I wrote, instead of only seeing what you wanted to see, you would understand that my negative statements, such as "scum", or anything else that I've posted, were towards people who -put forth no effort to be a productive member of this society-, not Hispanics, not immigrants.

And what exactly are we talking about here? By your own words, people who do not learn English are quote "people who -put forth no effort to be a productive member of this society" A LOT of them being hispanics and immigrants. It's called association, another thing I learned in English class.

And while you can spout all this crap about it not being a racial issue, it is. Especially considering the article that sparked this debate.

 

[Tropico]

As a Latino I would say that the owner of the store was dumb for not putting signs in both languages. He would have had one up on the other store fronts.

Then I would say that the landlord was even dumber (and wrong) for throwing someone out because of the language he spoke or didn't. It takes away from other potential clients which are the ones the other stores apparently catered to. They were both losing out as businessmen. The landlord's reasons of late rent and such kinda sound like afterthoughts when they pinch you for something and you want to make yourself look good. If they're legitimate, then he has some ground to stand on, but it doesn't give him an automatic victory.


To Nell2ThaIzzay, I worked a lot of years in retail and you remind me of the typical "I don't know, sir/ma'am, I just work here" kind of employee you see stereotyped on TV and movies. I live in a Spanish talking island and we DO have insular English speaking communities. People who go "OH, THANK GOD!" literally when I see the expression on their faces and ask them if they speak English did come by the store I worked in often. We're a retail chain so a lot of the higher ups the would fly in from the US only spoke English and I would sometimes translate for one or two of my co-workers when they wanted to make sure they understood everything or had concerns they wanted to share; the rest of the time was a point of pride with most of them to be able to fend for themselves. I had even gotten customers that didn't speak either language and tried to reach an understanding anyway. Why? Because it was my job to keep the customer happy so that they would come and buy again. It was NOT my job to keep only the customers I thought were worthy and drive the others away.

You whine about being called a bigot or racist, I will call you neither. I will agree in your assessment that you ARE prejudiced though. When you start to write about people that don't speak English you immediately start judging them without knowing them. You immediately label them as people that have no value in society, as people that are lazy and not trying and other derogatory denominations. All of this from a group of people that paid you, not stole from you, with a one hundred dollar bill and laughed at your Spanish error. Of course, your sudden and spontaneous insight into the English language allowed you to understand why they were laughing and what they were saying was making fun of you.

Instead of going down on the other people, lead by example. If you're such hot $h!+, learn a second language effectively and make yourself more useful. Instead of using and excuse, which is saying that it's catering to others, use it as marketing tool for yourself. Show us how you're striving to be a better part of the US community and be a bridge instead of being a leech employee doing the least he can and complaining about the people that actually make you work a little harder when they come into your store to BUY things with their hard earned MONEY.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And what exactly are we talking about here? By your own words, people who do not learn English are quote "people who -put forth no effort to be a productive member of this society" A LOT of them being hispanics and immigrants. It's called association, another thing I learned in English class.

And while you can spout all this crap about it not being a racial issue, it is. Especially considering the article that sparked this debate.

Well, a lot of immigrants of Hispanic decent put forth no effort to be productive members of society. Are you saying that every single person who comes here, is a hard working, educated person with good moral values? Or would you say that some of them are *******s, lazy, alcohol and drug addicts, and drive without I.D.'s?

And considering the sheer number of immigrants we have in this country, I would say it's safe to say that the latter is a lot of people.

It's not a racial issue no matter how much you want to turn it into that. You only want to turn it into a racial issue because specifically, we are talking about hispanic people who have immigrated to this country. It just so happens those are the people who we are talking about in this conversation.

It's not a racial thing, because hispanics aren't scum. Hispanics aren't unproductive members of society who are alcohol and drug addicts, child abandoners, *******s who beg for money outside the convenient store, and can't speak English. Those traits aren't a Hispanic thing. Those traits aren't an immigrant thing.

It just so happens, that there are Hispanic immigrants who carry those traits. Just because the person in question is a hispanic immigrant doesn't mean it's a racial thing. That's like a black person murdering somebody in the streets, and black people turning the police manhunt into a race issue because they are going after a black guy. No, it's not a race issue, it's a going after the murderer issue.

It's the same thing here. It's not a race issue. Mexican's aren't scum. They aren't *******s that drive without I.D. and don't speak English. But we are talking about speaking English in this country or not, and a lot of the people who don't speak English are Hispanic immigrants. They are also Asian immigrants, African immigrants, Middle Eastern immigrants, and European immigrants.

I happen to be focusing on Mexican immigrants, not because they suck more, not because they are inferior, but because that's what I am around. In my area, I am exposed to Mexican immigrants. Not German immigrants. But the same goes for them to. You want to come here, then learn to speak English. You can speak German all you want at home, but learn English for when you interact with the outside world.

 

[Darthphere]

Well, a lot of immigrants of Hispanic decent put forth no effort to be productive members of society. Are you saying that every single person who comes here, is a hard working, educated person with good moral values? Or would you say that some of them are *******s, lazy, alcohol and drug addicts, and drive without I.D.'s?

And considering the sheer number of immigrants we have in this country, I would say it's safe to say that the latter is a lot of people.

It's not a racial issue no matter how much you want to turn it into that. You only want to turn it into a racial issue because specifically, we are talking about hispanic people who have immigrated to this country. It just so happens those are the people who we are talking about in this conversation.

It's not a racial thing, because hispanics aren't scum. Hispanics aren't unproductive members of society who are alcohol and drug addicts, child abandoners, *******s who beg for money outside the convenient store, and can't speak English. Those traits aren't a Hispanic thing. Those traits aren't an immigrant thing.

It just so happens, that there are Hispanic immigrants who carry those traits. Just because the person in question is a hispanic immigrant doesn't mean it's a racial thing. That's like a black person murdering somebody in the streets, and black people turning the police manhunt into a race issue because they are going after a black guy. No, it's not a race issue, it's a going after the murderer issue.

It's the same thing here. It's not a race issue. Mexican's aren't scum. They aren't *******s that drive without I.D. and don't speak English. But we are talking about speaking English in this country or not, and a lot of the people who don't speak English are Hispanic immigrants. They are also Asian immigrants, African immigrants, Middle Eastern immigrants, and European immigrants.

I happen to be focusing on Mexican immigrants, not because they suck more, not because they are inferior, but because that's what I am around. In my area, I am exposed to Mexican immigrants. Not German immigrants. But the same goes for them to. You want to come here, then learn to speak English. You can speak German all you want at home, but learn English for when you interact with the outside world.

You type a lot, and say nothing, it's utterly amazing. You know you're in complete back tracking mode right now right? Ok, so you don;t have a problem with Hispanics, Mexicans, immigrants, etc. So who is your enemy here? Who has you so pissed off to call them scum?

Also, I'm going to start asking you for statistics to back up all these "a lots" you're throwing out here. You many not be a bigot or a racist, but you're a damn ignorant fool.

 

[Spade]

I sense hostility in this thread.

 

[Darthphere]

I sense hostility in this thread.

Damn right you do. It baffles the mind. Anytime you put "a lot" infront of something said about a group of people, that's a generalization. For example "a lot of black people are dangerous". If that's not a generalization, I don't know what is, and to deny it is one, is ******ed.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You type a lot, and say nothing, it's utterly amazing. You know you're in complete back tracking mode right now right? Ok, so you don;t have a problem with Hispanics, Mexicans, immigrants, etc. So who is your enemy here? Who has you so pissed off to call them scum?

I'm doing no backtracking.

Who is my enemy? Nobody, at least not racially. You're the one who wants to paint that picture of me.

My "enemy", as you put it, are people who come to this country, and expect this country to bend over backwards for them. That can be in -many- regards, this particular conversation is focusing on the language aspect of it. People who come to this country, put forth zero effort to learn the language, and expect society to know their language so they can get by without having to put in no effort.

If you want to have a conversation about "unproductive members of society" in general, then we can have that conversation in another thread. Because productivity is definatley based on a lot more than what languages you do and don't speak.

This conversation is about the language aspect of it, and I -do- have a problem with people who put forth zero effort to learn the language of the country THEY are going to.

The reason it's not a racial issue - I have no problem with Mexicans, or any other race, but we're on Mexicans and Hispanics for this conversation. Hispanic people are no better or worse than anyone else. They are equals, just like everyone else, and have just as much to offer our culture as anybody else. Mexican people don't suck. Certain ones do. Those ones that suck just happen to be Mexican, it's not because they are Mexican.

The reason it's not an immigration issue - I don't hate immigrants. I don't want us to close off our borders. I embrace new people and new cultures to come here. It's what makes America a great place. Yes, I do enjoy being exposed to different cultures - I just don't appreciate people who aren't willing to embrace the cultures and customs of the country that they are coming to.

I believe that if you are going to go to a country to live, then you need to learn the language of that country. Plain and simple. And when people who come here to live and work don't do that, I don't respect it. Plain and simple. I don't believe I am expecting too much to expect someone who is coming to this country to live or to work to learn English.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Damn right you do. It baffles the mind. Anytime you put "a lot" infront of something said about a group of people, that's a generalization. For example "a lot of black people are dangerous". If that's not a generalization, I don't know what is, and to deny it is one, is ******ed.

No, you are ******ed for thinking that is a generalization.

"3 black people are dangerous", is that a generalization too?

By definition, I am not generalizing, because I am not associating that trait to a group of people. The fact is, a lot of black people ARE dangerous.

That doesn't make black people dangerous.

And you obviously don't understand the difference, and YOU, my friend, are the ******ed one if you can't comprehend that.

 

[Darthphere]

I don't believe I am expecting too much to expect someone who is coming to this country to live or to work to learn English.

Well hate to break it to you, your belief is wrong. Sorry that you're inconvenienced by it, but life sucks, wear a hard hat.

 

[J. J. Jameson]

He should have learned to speak Spanish, the lazy bastard.

No.