Iron Man Mandarin being held until the sequal

[fletch1076]

According to rotten tomatoes. It was decided that if the Manderian is even in this movie it will be a quick cameo during Starks capture, and he will be the main villian in the second.

This is good and bad to me. It's good because I don't think they need to have two villians to start off the franchise and they can spend more time developing Stark and Stane. It's bad becasue I think they got it backwords. I think Manderian should have been the villian for the first one because it works so well with Stark's capture. I also view Stane as more of a Kingpin, Luthor figure. Someone who through the course of a franchise can always be pulling the strings and not reveal his true self till the final confrontation. Which could have been the armor wars.

 

[xwolverine2]

According to rotten tomatoes. It was decided that if the Manderian is even in this movie it will be a quick cameo during Starks capture, and he will be the main villian in the second.

This is good and bad to me. It's good because I don't think they need to have two villians to start off the franchise and they can spend more time developing Stark and Stane. It's bad becasue I think they got it backwords. I think Manderian should have been the villian for the first one because it works so well with Stark's capture. I also view Stane as more of a Kingpin, Luthor figure. Someone who through the course of a franchise can always be pulling the strings and not reveal his true self till the final confrontation. Which could have been the armor wars.

BB had two villains(three actually.)

 

[vich]

That news actually originated on my site:

http://screenrant.com/archives/iron-man-update-jon-speaks-plu-760.html

And I posted a link to it here 5 days ago, but I guess no one noticed.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=11716966#post11716966



Vic

 

[fletch1076]

your right, and rotten tomatoes does give credit to screen rat.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

According to rotten tomatoes. It was decided that if the Manderian is even in this movie it will be a quick cameo during Starks capture, and he will be the main villian in the second.

This is good and bad to me. It's good because I don't think they need to have two villians to start off the franchise and they can spend more time developing Stark and Stane. It's bad becasue I think they got it backwords. I think Manderian should have been the villian for the first one because it works so well with Stark's capture. I also view Stane as more of a Kingpin, Luthor figure. Someone who through the course of a franchise can always be pulling the strings and not reveal his true self till the final confrontation. Which could have been the armor wars.

I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[Cinemaman]

Actually, Stane (I hope it's Stane) will become Iron Monger in the movie, so I don't see any logical comparision between him and Luthor or Kingpin

 

[redlion2]

I'm actually glad the Mandarin isn't going to play a major role in the first film except in the background.

The Mandarin has always been one of my favorite old school IM arch villains and as such IMO one of his greatest foes. I think he's almost as iconic as Doctor Doom and Magneto and I think it goes along perfect that he would be manipulating certain events behind the scene in the first film and take a full hand in trying to destroy IM for the second film. Mandarin is a mastermind/ evil genius and if they use him in the second or third film, I just hope they get him right and portray him in all his bad a$$ glory and don't shortchange us like they did with Doom in the FF franchise.

I just hope his recent revival in IM's current story arc in the comics restores the Mandarin back to his full stature in IM's rouges gallery. The high visibility in the comics would do wonders as establishing him as a worthy opponent for IM in a sequel.

 

[fletch1076]

When I compare them, I am comparing them as intellgent gentleman villians. Villians who are heads of corperations, in the public eye, but keep hidden their true nature. Yes he also puts on a suit, but he is more like them as opposed to a villian who becomes a villian because of radiation or science experiments. He is a villian with no powers is my point. He realizes on his brain and business savey.

 

[fletch1076]

And he is not cartoonish and over the top.

 

[redlion2]

I guess it boils down to a matter of opinion and personally, I'm pleased with the current direction they seem to be taking. I like the Mandarin, glad they seem to be saving him for the sequel.

And he is not cartoonish and over the top.

I don't know if that's referring to the Mandarin but he's no more cartoonish and over the top than a guy that invents and puts on super hi-tech armor and goes out and fights crime.

 

[Ironfan72]

I'm also glad that they are saving Mandarin for the sequel, it seems more logical that he be the guy pulling the strings since he is Iron Man's arch nemisis, using Obadiah to weaken Stark before he strike's.
Now the question is if he has a cameo, has the role been filled by a non credited actor and who is he? He doesn't need to be a big named actor, but they did get Jeff Bridges for Obadiah Stane, One could speculate they did something simular for Mandarin, getting a big name actor, like Chow Yun Fat and not list him as a cast member until the second film.

 

[redlion2]

I'm also glad that they are saving Mandarin for the sequel, it seems more logical that he be the guy pulling the strings since he is Iron Man's arch nemisis, using Obadiah to weaken Stark before he strike's.
Now the question is if he has a cameo, has the role been filled by a non credited actor and who is he? He doesn't need to be a big named actor, but they did get Jeff Bridges for Obadiah Stane, One could speculate they did something simular for Mandarin, getting a big name actor, like Chow Yun Fat and not list him as a cast member until the second film.

Agreed.

 

[antsiou]

According to rotten tomatoes. It was decided that if the Manderian is even in this movie it will be a quick cameo during Starks capture, and he will be the main villian in the second.

This is good and bad to me. It's good because I don't think they need to have two villians to start off the franchise and they can spend more time developing Stark and Stane. It's bad becasue I think they got it backwords. I think Manderian should have been the villian for the first one because it works so well with Stark's capture. I also view Stane as more of a Kingpin, Luthor figure. Someone who through the course of a franchise can always be pulling the strings and not reveal his true self till the final confrontation. Which could have been the armor wars.

I have to differ on this one (always wanted to place this line )
I think the mandarin is somehow a "bigger threat" than Stane/Monger in the long run, and would definitely fill more space than Stane for a 3 part saga.
I like the comparison of Stane/Luthor somehow, but Mandarin as mentionned here and there, could easily be seen a world the shadow "dominator", whereas Stane would be threatening, but on a smaller scale.. thus Stane Iron Monger in First is good, follow up with armor wars, and 3rd act mandarin who was here and there from day one pulling strings, but all builds up to this final confrontation...

Just my opinion

 

[fletch1076]

yeah that does work as well. If this is a 3 part arc we are still missing at least one more villian, if they just stick with one main villian for each movie. Any guessing on who would fit the bill along with Stane and Manderian? I am guessing Crimson would make sense with the way this movie seems to be setting up. However, this may be far fetched but I really want to see M.O.D.A.K, but then again he is such a universal villian.

 

[redlion2]

Crimson Dynamo or MODOK and A.I.M are both good choices and each could probably make a compelling film. I'd also thought about Radioactive Man as a possible villain.

 

[Batmun]

I though Manderian was a Chinese mythology figure with magic powers brought to life.

Is there another form of Manderian?

 

[ClarkLuther55]

Thank God.

Not that I don't like the Mandarin or didn't want him to be in this movie. He's Iron Man's archenemy, and common sense says that he should be in the first movie. But I was really worried about all the crap I was hearing, with rumors of Shaun Toub (a man with Persian heritage who could pass for plain white) or Jeff Bridges (a clearly white man) playing him. I was even more worried when I heard about the new chairman Maisel wanting to roll Mandarin and Stane into a single character to save money.

Either do the character correctly, or don't do him at all. I'm glad they're saving Mandarin for the next movie.

 

[Prodigy]

I didn't want mandarin because he'd be more calculating, and as everyone has said, more of an evil businessman. I wouldn't want the movie to run into the Superman Returns issue of having nothing to really fight. It'd be Iron Man vs what? Superman lifted a continent, but I don't think he threw a punch. Iron Monger gives Iron Man someone to actually fight with... my preference.

 

[Doc Samson]

I didn't want mandarin because he'd be more calculating, and as everyone has said, more of an evil businessman. I wouldn't want the movie to run into the Superman Returns issue of having nothing to really fight. It'd be Iron Man vs what? Superman lifted a continent, but I don't think he threw a punch. Iron Monger gives Iron Man someone to actually fight with... my preference.

I have to agree with that...

 

[terry78]

Since when does Iron Man not physically fight the Mandarin? He's done it in the comics and the cartoon numerous times. Mandarin's rings make him more than a formidable opponent, and Tony's suit can't always hang with Mandarin's power. I want to see a scene of them just up in the air as IM is using his flight power and Mandarin is just levitating and they're exchanging blows.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

The interesting thing about "big megalomaniac" villains like EITHER could be is that it lets you get in another villain or two as a lackey. I'd love to see Titanium Man or Crimson Dynamo used this way á la Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul.

That said, I'm still crossing my fingers for a third movie being Armour Wars.

 

[shigsy2003]

It's good he is being saved for the sequel, that way we should hopefully see a more developed interesting character.

 

[Kmack]

Aww that's kind of a disappointment but o well, I'm sure the film will be awesome without him. Can't wait to see him in the sequel!

 

[Casius--J]

I'm glad to hear it, he would serve better in the sequel as i consider him to be his toughest foe. Why set the bar so high in the first movie?

 

[TwilightPro101]

I'm with everyone on saving him until the sequel. Seems like a great payoff and build up in the long run.