Marine instructor charged with 224 counts of abusing recruits

[The Original Bamfer]

That's the entire point of recruit training

To brainwash them?

 

[DV8]

^dude . . . everybody tries to brainwash you . . . whether it be your job at fuackin McDonalds, or a branch of the military (I think the Marines are the worst) . . . it's part of America's system, man . . . look around a little

 

[The Original Bamfer]

It's called training. So you have the skills to do your job.

 

[Jack Rabbit]

Probably one or two semi-serious things (i.e. sodomy with a tent pole) with 222 others of "that mean DI called me a *insert insult here* and it hurt my feelings". Now we're gonna have a bunch of potential Marines that get pampered because their DI's are afraid to speak in a harsh tone for fear of silly a$$ complaints being lodged.

While you're being a bit ridiculous, you have a point. I don't want the quality of training to change drastically.

A blind eye is turned to a lot of **** during recruit training, but it's no where near as bad as it was in the 50s.

The overall demeanor of a Marine DI will never change, but the extent their power could get reduced, and that's idiotic. The whole point of boot camp is to learn discipline. That's inbued in you because of three people control every aspect of your life. If you restrict that, you could damage the quality of that future Marine.

 

[Addendum]

To brainwash them?

Brainwashing - the application of coercive techniques to change the beliefs or behavior of one or more people.

Isn't that what recruit training is? The DI uses coercive techniques to change the beliefs or behavior of the recruits

 

[PemLam]

To brainwash them?

The whole idea is to break you down; then they start to work on the clean slate and build it up into a fully functional Marine. It's the same process across the services...except for the AF...we got ice cream and wake up calls during Basic!

Cross Into the Blue!

 

[The Original Bamfer]

"Brainwashing" is a bit of a drastic term.

 

[PemLam]

While you're being a bit ridiculous, you have a point. I don't want the quality of training to change drastically.

A blind eye is turned to a lot of **** during recruit training, but it's no where near as bad as it was in the 50s.

The overall demeanor of a Marine DI will never change, but the extent their power could get reduced, and that's idiotic. The whole point of boot camp is to learn discipline. That's inbued in you because of three people control every aspect of your life. If you restrict that, you could damage the quality of that future Marine.

Intentionally ridiculous. I've spent nearly 18 years in the military so I'm all for a little tough love discipline.

 

[DV8]

It's called training. So you have the skills to do your job.

which includes some brainwashing . . . I work at a large bank, and I've worked at a lot of large corporate entities in the past . . . the whole initial orientation for EVERY place is exactly the same . . . they brainwash you to make you feel like you should, beyond a doubt, be completely emersed in your job, and the place you work at . . .

you work at a bank, they want you to believe it's the best bank in the world . . . until that bank gets acquired, then the new bank is the best in the world . . .

 

[The Original Bamfer]

which includes some brainwashing . . . I work at a large bank, and I've worked at a lot of large corporate entities in the past . . . the whole initial orientation for EVERY place is exactly the same . . . they brainwash you to make you feel like you should, beyond a doubt, be completely emersed in your job, and the place you work at . . .

you work at a bank, they want you to believe it's the best bank in the world . . . until that bank gets acquired, then the new bank is the best in the world . . .

Not true. Plenty of people hate their jobs.

 

[Darthphere]

Not true. Plenty of people hate their jobs.

Everyone does. Everyone.

 

[jaguarr]

The whole idea is to break you down; then they start to work on the clean slate and build it up into a fully functional Marine. It's the same process across the services...except for the AF...we got ice cream and wake up calls during Basic!

Cross Into the Blue!

Well, that certainly sounds a lot better than a tent pole or a flashlight shoved up your ass.

jag

 

[PemLam]

Well, that certainly sounds a lot better than a tent pole or a flashlight shoved up your ass.

jag

Definitely. Though we did sometimes get ice cream that was a little too melted...it was brutal.

 

[DV8]

Not true. Plenty of people hate their jobs.

myself included . . . doesn't mean they didn't try or continue to try and brainwash me everyday . . .

 

[DV8]

Definitely. Though we did sometimes get ice cream that was a little too melted...it was brutal.

LOL!

 

[Jack Rabbit]

then what's the point of even hitting someone w/ it? It would pry break . . . I imagine that he pry had a bad-ass police flashlight . . . are they necessarily standard issue plastic across the board?

exactly . . . something must have happened that was more fuacked up than your run-of-the mill drill sargeant antics . . . and you never mentioned the tentpole thing . . . that's gotta hurt a bit more than a plastic flashlight . . . dude I think you're kinda brainwashed . . .

Dude, he's a drill instructor. The Army has drill sergeants.

Tent pole, getting your face slammed into a wall, getting choked out, **** happens. It's part of boot camp. You look back on it and laugh.

And why are you attacking me if I'm essentially agreeing with you? You have a vendetta against people who've done something for their country?

Brainwashed? That's an extreme terminology, but essentially it. You're instilled with some basic instincts and core reponses that you carry for the rest of your career.

It's an effective system.

 

[jaguarr]

Definitely. Though we did sometimes get ice cream that was a little too melted...it was brutal.

How...how did you survive?

jag

 

[PemLam]

How...how did you survive?

jag

Years of follow-up therapy; but I'm better now.

 

[jaguarr]

Years of follow-up therapy; but I'm better now.

I salute you for persevering in the face of adversity in order to serve our country.

jag

 

[Manic]

I heard that in the US military, while going through basic (and hell, sometimes on the field), commanding officers weren't allowed to physically harm their subordinates at all. That means you could insult them, order them to die for their country, but not strike 'em.

 

[PemLam]

I salute you for persevering in the face of adversity in order to serve our country.

jag

Backatcha!

 

[DV8]

Dude, he's a drill instructor. The Army has drill sergeants.

Tent pole, getting your face slammed into a wall, getting choked out, **** happens. It's part of boot camp. You look back on it and laugh.

well whatever he is . . . and I'm just saying that something really bad must've happened for this to be such a big deal, since abuse goes on everyday to a certain extent and you never hear about it

and please don't take that statement the wrong way; I agree with most of the measures taken to breed a marine . . . it's essential to achieve that level of discipline . . . and sadly, the level of brainwashing that occurs is essential too, so as to not go all "private pyle" on the DI . . .

And why are you attacking me if I'm essentially agreeing with you? You have a vendetta against people who've done something for their country?

I'm not attacking you man . . . and no, I don't have anything against people that have 'done something' for our country . . . even though that seems to be a fallback statement for many servicemen to put 'regular folks' on a guilt-trip . . . .

but I do have a problem w/ the government . . . because they fuackin brainwash people to further their own agendas . . . and they command people like you, who are proud to have 'done something' for our country . . .

but what exactly is it that you've done? and how has it really 'helped' our country? we don't seem to be too popular w/ the rest of the world right now . . .

Brainwashed? That's an extreme terminology, but essentially it. You're instilled with some basic instincts and core reponses that you carry for the rest of your career.

It's an effective system.

yeah . . . it's effective for the military . . . and then what? It just bugs me that people will blindly defend some shyt they have no direct experience with . . . it's the same as organized religion . . . ok I'm done now.

 

[PemLam]

I heard that in the US military, while going through basic (and hell, sometimes on the field), commanding officers weren't allowed to physically harm their subordinates at all. That means you could insult them, order them to die for their country, but not strike 'em.

Technically you can't strike them or insult them regardless of location...and no commanding officer with good leadership skills ever needs to do that to motivate his or her troops.

And I can't be ordered to die for my country. I can be told to do something that will likely result in injury or death (cross that open field...you know, the one the enemy sniper is watching) ...but not specifically to die.

 

[jaguarr]

well whatever he is . . . and I'm just saying that something really bad must've happened for this to be such a big deal, since abuse goes on everyday to a certain extent and you never hear about it

and please don't take that statement the wrong way; I agree with most of the measures taken to breed a marine . . . it's essential to achieve that level of discipline . . . and sadly, the level of brainwashing that occurs is essential too, so as to not go all "private pyle" on the DI . . .



I'm not attacking you man . . . and no, I don't have anything against people that have 'done something' for our country . . . even though that seems to be a fallback statement for many servicemen to put 'regular folks' on a guilt-trip . . . .

but I do have a problem w/ the government . . . because they fuackin brainwash people to further their own agendas . . . and they command people like you, who are proud to have 'done something' for our country . . .

but what exactly is it that you've done? and how has it really 'helped' our country? we don't seem to be too popular w/ the rest of the world right now . . .



yeah . . . it's effective for the military . . . and then what? It just bugs me that people will blindly defend some shyt they have no direct experience with . . . it's the same as organized religion . . . ok I'm done now.

Intentional and flagrant abuse of ellipses. I'm going to have to ask you to leave the field, son.

jag

 

[DV8]

btw, Jackrabbit I mean no disrespect to you or any other servicemen . . . it's a noble thing to risk your life for your country . . . but I feel there's a BIG difference between serving your country and blindly serving the government.