Mark Millar's Many Thoughts On Superman

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I SEE SPIDEY said:
I hate monkeys!:cmad:
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What about rabbits?

Receive this rabbit as a token of my friendship :hehe:

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Speaking of animals, at least we don't have to worry about polar bears guarding the Fortress of Solitude.
 
Doright said:
uuggggg. No way.. Not even close. I am sorry but that is just so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

forget all this biology stuff.. We're talking science fiction here. The idea Superman can't be intimate with Lois is such a bunch of crap made up by boys who still think girls have cooties and get grossed out when their hero kisses one. Fact is inter planetary mating has been a common thing in science fiction since... well forever....

but the worst idea is the idea of Superman as this aloft being that sees himself above Humanity and only pretends to be human in order to play some kind of game and keep tabs on his peeps?

People who buy into that just don't get it. What makes Superman so great is not because he is from another planet and has fantastic powers but because of the way he was raised manages to bring the best of humanity out in his personality... He is more than just his powers and his planet of origin. His learning the best of humanity is what makes him Superman and not just another DC hero with powers. It's more important than his ability to bench press ocean liners by far. Even batman commented once in the Batman Superman comments about how ironic it was that the "Alien" was the most human person he knew. (I don't have the exact quote at hand but it was something like that.)

Kingdom Come is mentioned in that article as a story that "get's it" ... Now correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Superman in that story basically a bitter old man because after the death of those he loved he basically lost his touch with his humanity but in the end figured that out and yada yada yada... maybe I am mistaken and am thinking of a different story but I don't understand how a famed writer like Miller could say the story "gets it" but yet totally misses the point of the very story he's talking about?

Superman can't love Lois? Bull#### The whole point of that love story is that Love can over come anything.. even people from other planets can find it. It's a love story that inspires hope. People want superman to be this brooding loner who's Destin to be alone forever but that was never the idea of the character. He's always had Lois and she has always been destined to be his love. Batman fills the brooding loner roll. Superman is not that. He's Hope personified and he plays that part by his showing the best in humanity, proving even an Alien can find his soul mate, and showing that child that lost everything (his entire race) can find a warm loving home in the arms of a farmer and his wife a million lightyears away.


If those comments of Millers find their way into the movie they might as well call it Bizzaro returns instead of anything else because that ain’t Superman. :|
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I completely agree with this.
 
"If I could choose anyone, I think I'd opt for Daniel Day-Lewis." -- Millar

That'd be awesome.
 
He'd be one hella Lex. Only problem with his casting would be he'd prolly completely overpower everyone else.
 
GreenKToo said:
He'd be one hella Lex. Only problem with his casting would be he'd prolly completely overpower everyone else.
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I think the main problem would be that he wouldn't even want to be in a Superman movie. But who knows what goes through these people's heads. He might need the money.
 
Y'know, when I first read Millar's ideas I paused at some of them at first, but then when thought about them a little bit longer I came up with these notions.

1. We have read Millar's thoughts not his actual pitch with details so it could be easily misunderstood.

Originally Posted by Doright


uuggggg. No way.. Not even close. I am sorry but that is just so wrong I don't even know where to begin.

forget all this biology stuff.. We're talking science fiction here. The idea Superman can't be intimate with Lois is such a bunch of crap made up by boys who still think girls have cooties and get grossed out when their hero kisses one. Fact is inter planetary mating has been a common thing in science fiction since... well forever....
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2. I think the issue being raised here is that since SUperman knows he is an alien WOULD he become intimate with Lois. Perhaps there's a story in there. FOr YEARS in the comics Superman was overtly against getting involved with Lois for numerous reasons. THis notion seems to fit.

but the worst idea is the idea of Superman as this aloft being that sees himself above Humanity and only pretends to be human in order to play some kind of game and keep tabs on his peeps?
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3. I think Millar is setting the groundwork for the paradox of SUperman's situation. SUperman IS physically 'above' the average human, and he would realize this. And traditionally he IS morally 'above' the average human. He's supposed to be an example of the best a of us DESPITE his alien DNA. I think the story here is Superman feeling human but KNOWING that he physically isn't and also KNOWING that his morals are role model human- again despite being alien. It fits the character very well. His morals are so developed that knowing the difference between right and wrong is easy for him and he cares so deeply for everyone (b/c it IS morally right) that he does realize that he has to act on those morals which he knows are correct. But this doesn't mean that he treats others condescendingly or if he is better than anyone else.

People who buy into that just don't get it. What makes Superman so great is not because he is from another planet and has fantastic powers but because of the way he was raised manages to bring the best of humanity out in his personality... He is more than just his powers and his planet of origin. His learning the best of humanity is what makes him Superman and not just another DC hero with powers. It's more important than his ability to bench press ocean liners by far. Even batman commented once in the Batman Superman comments about how ironic it was that the "Alien" was the most human person he knew. (I don't have the exact quote at hand but it was something like that.)
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I don't see how your comment really differs from what Millar has said.
Kingdom Come is mentioned in that article as a story that "get's it" ... Now correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Superman in that story basically a bitter old man because after the death of those he loved he basically lost his touch with his humanity but in the end figured that out and yada yada yada... maybe I am mistaken and am thinking of a different story but I don't understand how a famed writer like Miller could say the story "gets it" but yet totally misses the point of the very story he's talking about?
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Well, I think the point of KC is not that he is bitter, but that KC shows what happens when SUperman does lose his touch with humanity. That if SUperman were to lose everyting that makes him feel human he would no longer have a purpose. I think what Millar means is that this take is accurate- Superman is alien but what makes him the man or SUperman rather is his connection to humanity through the KEnts, his love for Lois and the values he holds in common with humanity - b/c despite that alien DNA he is emotionally human.

Superman can't love Lois? Bull#### The whole point of that love story is that Love can over come anything.. even people from other planets can find it. It's a love story that inspires hope. People want superman to be this brooding loner who's Destin to be alone forever but that was never the idea of the character. He's always had Lois and she has always been destined to be his love. Batman fills the brooding loner roll. Superman is not that. He's Hope personified and he plays that part by his showing the best in humanity, proving even an Alien can find his soul mate, and showing that child that lost everything (his entire race) can find a warm loving home in the arms of a farmer and his wife a million lightyears away.
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4. I took the bit about SUperman and Lois this way. I felt he was responding directly to SR in which you have SUperman involved with Lois and not Clark Kent. Specifically, CLark is (obviously) his human identity and it would be those experiences growing up as a human that would develop his feelings of love and romance. So, as it has been portrayed since day one- it would be Clark that pursued Lois and eventually won her, not SUperman. As it has also always been portrayed, Superman has always refused Lois's advances for multiple reasons in all media- comics, the Reeve films etc.... Having Superman and Lois be the couple invalidates Clark's raison d'etre. It will always be Clark that pursues Lois seriously, not SUperman. SUperman doesn't have a private life- SUperman is the public identity. Clark is the one who has the private life.

If those comments of Millers find their way into the movie they might as well call it Bizzaro returns instead of anything else because that ain’t Superman. :|
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Look a little deeper at what Millar is saying and simply the superficial aspects of his comments...I think the Superman we all know and love is there.
 
mego joe said:
Y'know, when I first read Millar's ideas I paused at some of them at first, but then when thought about them a little bit longer I came up with these notions.

1. We have read Millar's thoughts not his actual pitch with details so it could be easily misunderstood.



2. I think the issue being raised here is that since SUperman knows he is an alien WOULD he become intimate with Lois. Perhaps there's a story in there. FOr YEARS in the comics Superman was overtly against getting involved with Lois for numerous reasons. THis notion seems to fit.



3. I think Millar is setting the groundwork for the paradox of SUperman's situation. SUperman IS physically 'above' the average human, and he would realize this. And traditionally he IS morally 'above' the average human. He's supposed to be an example of the best a of us DESPITE his alien DNA. I think the story here is Superman feeling human but KNOWING that he physically isn't and also KNOWING that his morals are role model human- again despite being alien. It fits the character very well. His morals are so developed that knowing the difference between right and wrong is easy for him and he cares so deeply for everyone (b/c it IS morally right) that he does realize that he has to act on those morals which he knows are correct. But this doesn't mean that he treats others condescendingly or if he is better than anyone else.



I don't see how your comment really differs from what Millar has said.


Well, I think the point of KC is not that he is bitter, but that KC shows what happens when SUperman does lose his touch with humanity. That if SUperman were to lose everyting that makes him feel human he would no longer have a purpose. I think what Millar means is that this take is accurate- Superman is alien but what makes him the man or SUperman rather is his connection to humanity through the KEnts, his love for Lois and the values he holds in common with humanity - b/c despite that alien DNA he is emotionally human.



4. I took the bit about SUperman and Lois this way. I felt he was responding directly to SR in which you have SUperman involved with Lois and not Clark Kent. Specifically, CLark is (obviously) his human identity and it would be those experiences growing up as a human that would develop his feelings of love and romance. So, as it has been portrayed since day one- it would be Clark that pursued Lois and eventually won her, not SUperman. As it has also always been portrayed, Superman has always refused Lois's advances for multiple reasons in all media- comics, the Reeve films etc.... Having Superman and Lois be the couple invalidates Clark's raison d'etre. It will always be Clark that pursues Lois seriously, not SUperman. SUperman doesn't have a private life- SUperman is the public identity. Clark is the one who has the private life.

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Look a little deeper at what Millar is saying and simply the superficial aspects of his comments...I think the Superman we all know and love is there.
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i really hope everything you've wrote in your comments is what Millar is implying....if he is ofcourse, the chosen one to write the scripts.....here's to hope....:csad:
 
Yeah, I totally agree, Mego.

I love Lois & Clark interpretation and the post-crisis that it was Clark who won Lois, not Superman. I think we shouldn't see this happen till the third movie because the chemestry is so nice to see.
 
SuperDaniel said:
Yeah, I totally agree, Mego.

I love Lois & Clark interpretation and the post-crisis that it was Clark who won Lois, not Superman. I think we shouldn't see this happen till the third movie because the chemestry is so nice to see.
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It should not happen at all. You kill the tension - you kill the mythos.
 
But if it's the last movie, something like Whatever happened to the man of Tomorrow would fit.
 
Millar's Superman could work. Superman's not THAT hard to write. I just don't think he understands the entire potential the character has. I've said it before, but he seems to be more about "concepts" than "character".
 
The Guard said:
Superman's not THAT hard to write.
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That's why it's so ironic he's not that hard to write at all I agree but a lot of writers just don't really know him. To be frank I'd like Geoff Johns to write the movie. Action Comics stays showing people what a Superman movie universe should be like month in and month out. But that will never happen so if Millar is as close as we get to that I don't mind.

He'd still give us a very entertaining Superman story that much I'm sure of based on his work. Still I don't know why WB doesn't just realize they have a lot of people in their DC division that could be excellent consultants on their DC based projects
 
Cain said:
That's why it's so ironic he's not that hard to write at all I agree but a lot of writers just don't really know him. To be frank I'd like Geoff Johns to write the movie. Action Comics stays showing people what a Superman movie universe should be like month in and month out. But that will never happen so if Millar is as close as we get to that I don't mind.

He'd still give us a very entertaining Superman story that much I'm sure of based on his work. Still I don't know why WB doesn't just realize they have a lot of people in their DC division that could be excellent consultants on their DC based projects
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YOu'd think that would be a no-brainer, but apparently it's not.
 
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