Mark Millar's Many Thoughts On Superman

[Tarnish]

Millar pushing his own agenda again.

Yup.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I said it before and i'll say it again. I don't care for Millar's take on Superman and I think that Singer is coming back for a foot up his ass sequel...Although I pray for a miracle.

 

[merced]

So he kinda confirms that WB arent really looking for a reboot right now, doesnt he?

Yeah. Legendary's Tull said recently another Superman film is years away. He also said while Singer is finishing the Cruise flick they are looking at different writers and ways to do Superman best. Its not clear from what he said if the writers are approaching WB on their own or if WB is seeking them out. Millar sounds like its the writers approaching WB unsolicited. Anyhow it didn't sound from Tull that WB is in any rush to do another Superman.

 

[Showtime]

It seems pretty clear to me that WB is seeking them out and why would he mention this and Singer if he was doing this behind his back?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I liked Millar's idea about a what a Superman movie should be, but his take on Superman just wouldnt give me that, his Superman, is basically NOT Superman.

Anyone who claims Singer didnt get the character and then clamour for Miller's version, which is A LOT further away than anything Singer, simply make me laugh.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Sorry, double post.

 

[Dark_Lord]

Nowhere in Miller's words is that even suggested

My bad then. I just remembered wrong.

 

[merced]

It seems pretty clear to me that WB is seeking them out and why would he mention this and Singer if he was doing this behind his back?

Tull was quite frank IMO. He openly talked about looking at different writers in the hope of doing it right next time. But it sounded like WB is in no rush.

Some think WB gets some kind of a cost benefit in getting a film out before it loses the rights in 2013. However, whatever it puts out between now and 2013 is subject to the liscense fees and profit sharing that the court will determine from what I've read. Anything Superman done by WB/DC since 1999 will be subject to the fees. SR itself could cause WB to owe the families 10's of millions. Depending on the final court determination.

 

[Showtime]

So you believe that Thomas Tull was openly talking about a reboot, and is doing so while Singer is away on Valkryie...I don't get it.

Why do I feel like you are upchucking information regarding the lawsuit that you got somewhere else?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^What's even funnier is, that comment wasnt even in quote tags in the article, it was said by the woman who wrote it, so we dont actually know what exactly Tull said and whether she misinterpreted it or not.

Again, we need some confirmed info either way from somewere.

 

[merced]

So you believe that Thomas Tull was openly talking about a reboot, and is doing so while Singer is away on Valkryie...I don't get it.

Why do I feel like you are upchucking information regarding the lawsuit that you got somewhere else?

No. I don't think he was talking about a reboot. I got the info about WB potentially owing the families 10's of million for SR from a news link at the Homepage.

Here is one link from CBR. Do a search on 1999 once in the article and you will see where the Siegels are co-owners of Superman as of 1999. If the search does not work go down to paragraph 8 where it is stated. That is why WB is going to owe them millions for SR.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=13069

 

[X Knight]

I like Millar's umm...."enthusiasm" for bringing a fresh vision to the Superman franchise...

but some of his comments and ideas that he's thrown around bother me.......

 

[Aztec]

Millar is a HACK! If you're serious about rebooting Superman, then keep him away from this project.

Singer's had no action, Millar's a hack, who's next?

 

[Apollo]

i'm still waiting for that Tim burton superman with Nicolas cage....

 

[Nightwing1977]

I definately think there should be a consultant involved at some level. I am just not sure if WB will do it.

Yep. Get Geoff Johns on the phone & let him be a consultant. He got some great ideas for that. And I'm getting sick of Millar. I just wish he shut up & not bring up Supes again. Some think Singer is all wrong for Superman, but Millar is supposely better? Oh please!

 

[Nightwing1977]

Double post

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Yep. Get Geoff Johns on the phone & let him be a consultant. He got some great ideas for that. And I'm getting sick of Millar. I just wish he shut up & not bring up Supes again. Some think Singer is all wrong for Superman, but Millar is supposely better? Oh please!

I am getting tired of hearing him talk about it too. It's just...tacky.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

Actually it is. The Boyscout is a thing from the 50s. Get over it.

...What comics have you been reading? Sure, Superman has the action but his relationship with Lois is still at the center...especially considering that they're married. Hell, the scene in Last Son where Lois realizes that she wants to keep "Christopher" is heart wrenching and emotional. Nothing but action is simply empty.

LOL; where does this soft emotional side come from? Don't watch so much Lois & Clark.

I never liked Lois and Clark. We're talking about a character here who has dated Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Cat Grant, even Wonder Woman. He does have a romantic life and an emotional part of him that needs to be filled. Again, what books have you been reading?

well, based on her behaviour it's a legimitate take. This Superman/Lois thing is totally overrated.

It's been the driving force of the comics for seventy years. You don't suddenly turn Lois into someone who is sleeping around and Superman not actually being interested in her without turning quite a few heads.

That is absolutely overblown. I'd like to know how exactly Millar's take calls for a ****ish Lois. Because she's slept with people? Newsflash: people f**k.

No...way. You mean...people actually have sex? I mean I am sooo naive, I would have never known that when people are attracted to each other they would take their clothes off and do the "dirty deed." Oh my!

Millar's take on Lois is just wrong. She's "****ed" her way around and hasn't found satisfaction? That's not a description of someone getting in a series of relationships that fall apart--that's a floosie who sleeps with anyone she can to meet her physical needs (emotional needs be damned). Again, ****ey.

 

[Nightwing1977]

I am getting tired of hearing him talk about it too. It's just...tacky.

Yep. I just wish he let it go already. Just because you're a comic book writer doesn't mean Hollywood will let you write a story for a comic book movie or at least a movie of a character you love. That is somewhat rare.

 

[Crook]

Millar's take on Lois is just wrong. She's "****ed" her way around and hasn't found satisfaction? That's not a description of someone getting in a series of relationships that fall apart--that's a floosie who sleeps with anyone she can to meet her physical needs (emotional needs be damned). Again, ****ey.

You're seeing what you want to see. The implication in his description of a city girl is apparent, one that I've described above. All you're doing is focusing on choice words and twisting it around to arrive at a different meaning.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

You're seeing what you want to see. The implication in his description of a city girl is apparent, one that I've described above. All you're doing is focusing on choice words and twisting it around to arrive at a different meaning.

Meh, it's just what I get out of it, Crook. I mean, why bother mentioning Lois' sex life at all? Why should it be detrimental to her character? Hell, apparently her search for something meaningful is futile anyway considering that Millar's Superman does not love Lois. Lois having had serious relationships, which of course result in a physical aspect, is no biggie. I don't care. But the way Millar words it seems to be more sexually centric rather than emotional, and I just don't care for it.

 

[Crook]

Meh, it's just what I get out of it, Crook. I mean, why bother mentioning Lois' sex life at all?

It was just a means of comparing a known stereotype to easily categorize Lois.

Why should it be detrimental to her character? Hell, apparently her search for something meaningful is futile anyway considering that Millar's Superman does not love Lois. Lois having had serious relationships, which of course result in a physical aspect, is no biggie. I don't care. But the way Millar words it seems to be more sexually centric rather than emotional, and I just don't care for it.

I wouldn't care for that either, but again that's not what I'm seeing. A "lacking sex life" is an identifiable trait to a career-oriented city girl and I'm sure that's all Millar was getting at.

I highly doubt there would have been much focus on that, or even addressed for that matter. It's just there to provide a "backstory" for her character, and a means to explain her personality. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

...What comics have you been reading? Sure, Superman has the action but his relationship with Lois is still at the center...especially considering that they're married. Hell, the scene in Last Son where Lois realizes that she wants to keep "Christopher" is heart wrenching and emotional. Nothing but action is simply empty.

Eh. What has this to do with the "boyscout" thin? Every superhero is somehow a boyscout.

I never liked Lois and Clark. We're talking about a character here who has dated Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Cat Grant, even Wonder Woman. He does have a romantic life and an emotional part of him that needs to be filled. Again, what books have you been reading?

That's all not the same. Superman MUST be a tough guy. It's just on what he was modelled. The modern Hercules.

It's been the driving force of the comics for seventy years. You don't suddenly turn Lois into someone who is sleeping around and Superman not actually being interested in her without turning quite a few heads.

C'mon, there was always a kind of tension between Lois & Superman, but for example in the 50s Superman did everything NOT to marry her and this whole romance thing just came in the 90s. Superman can do without Lois as a love interest. He should date a mermaid again.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yep. Get Geoff Johns on the phone & let him be a consultant. He got some great ideas for that. And I'm getting sick of Millar. I just wish he shut up & not bring up Supes again. Some think Singer is all wrong for Superman, but Millar is supposely better? Oh please! :whatever:

WELL SAID. All of this crap honestly makes me laugh.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

Eh. What has this to do with the "boyscout" thin? Every superhero is somehow a boyscout.

Yet you said he wasn't, and inferred that all Superman should be doing is breaking other aliens in half. That's not the whole of the character, and to only want that in a character is rather empty.

That's all not the same. Superman MUST be a tough guy. It's just on what he was modelled. The modern Hercules.

Your point is? How does having an emotional need make him not a tough guy? I have a love life but I don't show that side of me to everyone. I have a tough exterior when I'm not with my girlfriend. Why can't Superman?

C'mon, there was always a kind of tension between Lois & Superman, but for example in the 50s Superman did everything NOT to marry her and this whole romance thing just came in the 90s. Superman can do without Lois as a love interest. He should date a mermaid again.

Nice on the mermaid, but there's no reason for Superman not to have Lois as his love interest. She's the other half he needs. And even Superman needs love. I couldn't tell you how empty the comics would be for me now if he and Lois weren't in a relationship/married. Superman is always accused of being "too powerful" and "not relatable." But with Lois he is allowed to have emotional...weaknesses I guess you could call them as well as relatability.