Marvel Divas

[bryanss3]

who says female comic characters have unrealistic bodies? and when did Felicia Hardy grow all that ass?

 

[Lobo]

Dread, I think Reed has done a great job on the Ms Marvel book. Just my opinion of course.

I'll be passing on this book, but, you're right, Artists draw female heroes in skimpy outfits and give them sexy cover poses, and stop. When what they should do is flesh out a well rounded character first and foremost.

 

[bryanss3]

Dread, I think Reed has done a great job on the Ms Marvel book. Just my opinion of course.

I'll be passing on this book, but, you're right, Artists draw female heroes in skimpy outfits and give them sexy cover poses, and stop. When what they should do is flesh out a well rounded character first and foremost.

100% agree. not sure if I'm gonna pick this up. I'd really like to see Black Cat in ASM though.

also if you like female characters go pick up all 5 trades of Dan Slott's She-Hulk and then pick up the other 4 of Peter David's run on the book. it's 2 great takes on one awesome character.

 

[Lobo]

I've read the She Hulk series . Rucka's Wonder Woman is also A class.

 

[bryanss3]

ooh I forgot about Wonder Woman. I really like Rucka's stuff and the current series isn't too bad. the Rise Of The Olympian arc is pretty good so far. I really hate the character Genocide in every way possible especially how she looks, but I'm pretty sure thats the point of her existing.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

"Rise of the Olympian" is sort of all over the place to me. I'm thinking of dropping Wonder Woman, actually.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I think the idea of a all female team is dumb.

From the description, i don't think this is actually going to be a "team" setting, per se....

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

who says female comic characters have unrealistic bodies? and when did Felicia Hardy grow all that ass?

When Frank Cho started drawing her in MK: Spider-Man.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That was Terry Dodson.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

That was Terry Dodson.

oops, my bad.

 

[Themanofbat]

oops, my bad.

Looking at the eye candy instead of the credit boxes... lol t: t: t:

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Dodson and Cho's figures are pretty similar.

 

[bryanss3]

When Frank Cho started drawing her in MK: Spider-Man.

I just pulled out the Black Cat/Spider-man Kevin Smith mini that Dodson did the art for and it's still not even close to that big.

if that drawing was a real woman her measurements would be something like 34C-24-36

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm still mesmerized by Firestar's perfect-orb breasts. It's like someone put soccer balls in as implants.

 

[bryanss3]

I can't help but think this image was meant to be porn and the colorist got to it before they could draw the defining parts of their bodies so he assumed they were wearing their costumes.

 

[Watson]

This also seems like the perfect time to announce our Marvel Divas limited series, beginning in July, from Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa and Tonci Zonjic, featuring some of the Marvel Universe’s greatest female heroes in a way you haven’t seem them before.
I’ll let Roberto explain:

“The idea behind the series was to have some sudsy fun and lift the curtain a bit and take a peep at some of our most fabulous super heroines. In the series, they're an unlikely foursome of friends--Black Cat, Hell Cat, Firestar, and Photon--with TWO things in common: They're all leading double-lives and they're all having romantic trouble. The pitch started as "Sex and the City" in the Marvel Universe, and there's definitely that "naughty" element to it, but I also think the series is doing to a deeper place, asking question about what it means...truly means...to be a woman in an industry dominated by testosterone and guns. (And I mean both the super hero industry and the comic book industry.) But mostly it's just a lot of hot fun

If this is Marvel's attempt to get more females reading comics, I'm less than impressed :. I'm more excited for Gotham City Sirens. It has the potential to be far more compelling, and flesh out Catwoman, Ivy, and Harley (I hope...).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Models, Inc. sounded much more interesting. I can't help wondering if that project was shelved in favor of this one and, if so, what the hell they were thinking.

 

[Watson]

Found an article about the very thing http://www.4thletter.net/2009/04/okeydoke-models-inc-x-marvel-divas/

Models, Inc. did seem way more fun and interesting, and probably could have peaked female readership interest. This just looks like the typical exploitative crap that gets peddled out by comic book companies to try and get women readers every once and a while. Ugh.

Plus, that drawing is making my head hurt . The proportions are really bad.

 

[THANOSRULES]

they all have the same breasts..perfect.

Really, some chicks don't have much junk..and they can still be hot and attractive.

Especially since most athletic chicks don't have the body types that comics displays them as having.

I'm not expecting this to change in comics or anything. But somtimes it's refresh when people look different.

They can still be "comicky" just a bit of variation.

NOTE I hate it in comic males too. Your either Duke or Flint in alot of stuff.

 

[Mr. Green]

Models, Inc. sounded much more interesting. I can't help wondering if that project was shelved in favor of this one and, if so, what the hell they were thinking.

First, Models, Inc. sounded WAY more stupid than this.

Second Roberto Aguaeorja;slekfj-Sacasa did a great job on Marvel Knights 4 so I don't see this as automatically being bad.

Third, he said it was going to a deeper place.

But yeah, there's no way I'm actually buying this though.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Models, Inc. sounded a lot more unique and practical as a comic to lure potential female readers in. They didn't feel a compulsion to stick the women in exploitative superhero costumes, for one thing.

And 4 was easily the worst thing Aguirre-Sacasa wrote. His work got much better after that utter failure of a comic.

 

[Watson]

^IA. Taking some of the women who are typically damsels in the Marvel Universe and making them the heroes is a good twist. Plus the idea of it-models at fashion week- is certainly popular amongst some groups of girls. The popularity of shows like America's Next Top Model, Gossip Girl, and Project Runway all point to this. It might not have peaked the interest of girls who already read comics (myself excluded, I totally would have been picking up Models, Inc ), but if Marvel had played it smart-dropped in some product placement for the line in some teen shows, gotten permission from designers to replicate thier clothes in the comics-it could have been really cool.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Models, Inc. sounded a lot more unique and practical as a comic to lure potential female readers in. They didn't feel a compulsion to stick the women in exploitative superhero costumes, for one thing.

And 4 was easily the worst thing Aguirre-Sacasa wrote. His work got much better after that utter failure of a comic.

Actually, his run there was pretty cool, and got better with each issue. I daresay #22 was one of the better Ben Grimm tales i had read in years.

Trouble with that book, is it was involved with the Mark Waid/Quesada/Jemas (?) controversy, so there was no way in Hell the internet snobs were EVER going to give it a chance.

Aside from Unthinkabe, i actually enjoyed it every bit as much as Waid's FF run.

 

[Dread]

Nah i'm pretty sure it was the anal sex.

I kind of like the silver age stuff..to an extent. Marvel is the polar opposite, botching the Invaders/Avengers series, making The Twelve a delayed afterthought, and retconning things into existence as opposed to DC retconning things out of existance, not a big DC reader so I'll take your word for it. At least we have Bucky back.

Although DC surely took things too far with all the whole tweaking legacy characters to stir the pot. The list is long, Firestorm, Blue Beetle, The Question, Batwomen...just too much and too superficial.

Marvel's big crime is the current direction with Osborn , which would have resounded 3 years ago, but now comes off as too much...and outdated.

Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum...horrible travesty in direction, would have been cool and lauded in 1998..just outdated. I thought I was reading old issues of Brigade.

AVENGERS/INVADERS has proven to be better selling than I am sure was intended. In a way I like that while Marvel may often want to continue the perennial strip-mining of the Silver Age, they don't do it quite as exactly as DC does. Just because Joe Q wanted to re-create the "chaotic" manner of the Marvel U. during that time didn't mean he, say, chose to revive "Neo Communism" or something.

I do agree with you about Osborn. He clearly is supposed to be a riff on Dick Cheney in some way. The problem is he left power in Jan. 2009.

Dread, I think Reed has done a great job on the Ms Marvel book. Just my opinion of course.

I'll be passing on this book, but, you're right, Artists draw female heroes in skimpy outfits and give them sexy cover poses, and stop. When what they should do is flesh out a well rounded character first and foremost.

Precisely. I mean to be fair, DC struggles with that, too; beyond a complicated origin and large breasts, does Power Girl really stand for much? But it is something I feel passionate about.

I do wonder if this series won't be busy selling us on T & A to remember that Firestar technically chose to retire during the CIVIL WAR rather than register with the SHRA, and has been retired for a good two years now. Beyond having a little pizza party with her old New Warriors buddies Richard Rider and Vance Astrovik (and scaring some security guards), she's a retired heroine and going back in action would technically place her in some SHRA crosshairs, especially with the more vigorous Osborn in command of HAMMER.

100% agree. not sure if I'm gonna pick this up. I'd really like to see Black Cat in ASM though.

also if you like female characters go pick up all 5 trades of Dan Slott's She-Hulk and then pick up the other 4 of Peter David's run on the book. it's 2 great takes on one awesome character.

I'm giving this a pass. HELLCAT's last mini was a bit of a sugar-rush in terms of story, but at least it didn't use Patsy' "assets" as a selling point. For better or worse, it existed to sell Hellcat not as a hot body, but a very eccentric heroine having an eccentric adventure. That's not the same as four heroines contorting themselves on a cover with a blurb claiming it wants to be SEX AND THE CITY, which essentially ended in 2004. Way to stay current, guys!

It is a bit appalling how poorly Marvel has capitalized on the Buffy/Kim Possible generation with some of their heroines. Lots of teen girls are into anime and manga, more so than many mainstream comics. Maybe if more than a heroine's body or ethnicity was highlighted (I remember when ARANA got her own book, all Marvel could say was, "Love her for being Hispanic, amigas!" in contrast to, say, BLUE BEETLE, who was a well written character who happened to be Hispanic and was more embraced by a fanbase). Granted, it has been very hard to launch new characters of either sex or ethnicity for a good near decade now.

 

[Watson]

It is a bit appalling how poorly Marvel has capitalized on the Buffy/Kim Possible generation with some of their heroines. Lots of teen girls are into anime and manga, more so than many mainstream comics. Maybe if more than a heroine's body or ethnicity was highlighted (I remember when ARANA got her own book, all Marvel could say was, "Love her for being Hispanic, amigas!" in contrast to, say, BLUE BEETLE, who was a well written character who happened to be Hispanic and was more embraced by a fanbase). Granted, it has been very hard to launch new characters of either sex or ethnicity for a good near decade now.

Well said. Both DC/Marvel tend to think that all they need to do is produce female-centric titles to get females to read. Though that in itself isn't a bad thing, but it only works if the stories themselves are interesting and the characters are engaging. If they want new female readers they need to really change their strategy and look at what does sell to female audiences.

That said, if you could have a writer take over a title based on a female hero, who would you want? My vote would have to go to Brian K. Vaughn, Joss Whedon, and (more) Gail Simone. If they aren't ever going to make the Wonder Woman script Joss wrote, I would love to see it produced as a graphic novel.