Marvel September 2006 Solicitations.

[Darthphere]

Speak for yourself.

I am.

 

[Dread]

Stilt-Man has guns now?

Stilt-Man often carried gas or other trick pistols in the past. Besides, this is a yet-unnamed NEW Stilt-Man (as the original retired in DAREDEVIL some years ago); maybe he figured he'd up the ante.

 

[Marcdachamp]

No one mentioned Damage Control? That Wolverine arc looks better and better.

 

[Darthphere]

No one mentioned Damage Control? That Wolverine arc looks better and better.

Problem for me is:


That wolverine art looks worse and worse.

 

[Marcdachamp]

Problem for me is:


That wolverine art looks worse and worse.

I actually liked Ramos last issue. His Wolverine without the mask sucked, but he looked badass when it was on, imo.

 

[PhotoJones]

Problem for me is:


That wolverine art looks worse and worse.

it's like ramos is devolving into crap.

 

[Ben Urich]

it's like ramos is devolving into crap.

how can he devolve into crap when he already was crap?

 

[PhotoJones]

how can he devolve into crap when he already was crap?

i liked "crimson"'s artwork, a lot. and "out there" wasn't bad either.

but that wolverine cover is just bad.

 

[Dread]

I'm not keen on Ramos' art for WOLVERINE, but the writing was up to par so far, so its a Pryic tradeoff in some ways.

 

[samurai black]

HERE!

CIVIL WAR #5 (of 7)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
Variant Cover by MICHAEL TURNER
Featuring villains, villains, villains! Sides change and chaos reigns as the evildoers of the Marvel Universe make their presence felt in a new and shocking way! But when the underworld gets involved, can the Punisher be far behind?
32 PGS./Cardstock Cover/ Rated T+ ...$2.99
NOTE: There will also be a 1 for 75 Turner sketch variant cover

I knew it was the Punisher holding that gun!! It'd be cool for marvel to have rescue spidey and give him this "See what happens when you don't kill the bad guys and trust the government!" speech. I'm still all for him killing off Scorpion/Venom bc he's a lame rip-off of a great character.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No one mentioned Damage Control? That Wolverine arc looks better and better.

Crap, you mean to tell me I might actually have to buy a Wolverine comic again? With Ramos on art duty, no less? God. Damn. It.

I can't say I like the fact that the Punisher's gone back to the white gloves. If anyone rocked the civvies look, it was the Punisher. Oh well, hopefully the gloves won't stop him from killing Stilt-Man. I really want to see him give Stilt-Man a face full of rocket for some reason.

 

[Ben Urich]

Hey, has Stilt Man ever kicked anyone? I imagine it'd hurt.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he could totally, like, kick a hundred guys in the nuts simultaneously if he got the angle right.

 

[Ben Urich]

I wanna know what the original guy (Wilbur Day?) was thinking when he decided on Stilt Man. Were all the good animal names taken or something?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Maybe he invented the stilts first and just didn't have the vision to go with a clown motif.

 

[Speedball]

ok. Adi Granov doing the art for New Avengers.
My dream has nearly come true.
now all i need is Alex Ross to do the Art for The new Justice League and i will die happy.

 

[Marcdachamp]

ok. Adi Granov doing the art for New Avengers.
My dream has nearly come true.
now all i need is Alex Ross to do the Art for The new Justice League and i will die happy.

Just buy Justice, it's better than anything else DC puts out. Note: This isn't an attack on quality, rather a compliment.

It's weird. I can't wait for each issue of Civil War, but I don't want it to end, either. Damn Marvel...

 

[Darthphere]

ok. Adi Granov doing the art for New Avengers.
My dream has nearly come true.
now all i need is Alex Ross to do the Art for The new Justice League and i will die happy.

I guess if you want to wait 6 months between issues that would be great.

 

[Darthphere]

Full SOlicitations.


HERE!

 

[stillanerd]

CIVIL WAR: FRONT LINE #7 & #8 (of 10)
Written by PAUL JENKINS
Penciled by RAMON BACHS & STEVE LIEBER
Cover by JOHN WATSON
In “Embedded”: Hot on the trail of a revelation that could explode the rift between the pro-registration and anti-registration heroes and forever change the nature of the Registration Act, the Daily Bugle’s Ben Urich and Sally Floyd have the story. Can they bring the power to the people?
In “The Accused”: His powers are gone, he’s been held culpable for the worst super-human disaster in history, and every super-villain in prison is looking to take a piece of Speedball. Will he make it out alive, and with hundreds of deaths on his conscious, does he want to? Also featuring true tales of war time in Civil War “Correspondence!"

WOLVERINE #46
Written by MARC GUGGENHEIM
Pencils & Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
CIVIL WAR TIE-IN!
“VENDETTA”
Featuring the return of the cult favorite, DAMAGE CONTROL! But have they gone from cleaning up disasters to causing them? And what is their connection to the Stamford disaster? To find out, Wolverine will take no prisoners. Part 5 (of 6)
32 PGS./Parental Advisory ...$2.99

PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL #1
Written by MATT FRACTION
Art & Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
Hey there, Marvel Universe. He’s back...with a vengeance. Taking no prisoners. Literally. With Civil War in full throttle mode, Frank Castle is feeling the heat. His safe houses have been raided, his munitions seized, and he’s square in the crosshairs of a Marvel Universe big gun who always gets his man. Until now, this wasn’t Frank’s war. But when Spandex-clad baddies start carrying badges...well, lets’ just say that’s something the Punisher can’t abide. Brought to you by rising star Matt Fraction (THE LAST OF THE INDEPENDENTS), with eye-popping art by superstar artist Ariel Olivetti (LAST AVENGERS STORY).

All those sections I bolded lead me to think one thing: that the Riverbank Massacre was not what it seemed. I'll bet that by the time Civil War is over, it will be revealed that Nitro KNEW that the New Warriors were coming and was ordered to cause the explosion at Stamford by the "shadow government" that created the super-villains, the same one Scorpion told Spider-Man about back in Mark Millar's run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man. Also, it will probably be revealed that Maria Hill and maybe Baron Zemo are in on the conspiracy. After all, people are asking why are they going after just the heroes? Could it be that Hill was ordered not to?

 

[Dread]

All those sections I bolded lead me to think one thing: that the Riverbank Massacre was not what it seemed. I'll bet that by the time Civil War is over, it will be revealed that Nitro KNEW that the New Warriors were coming and was ordered to cause the explosion at Stamford by the "shadow government" that created the super-villains, the same one Scorpion told Spider-Man about back in Mark Millar's run on Marvel Knights Spider-Man. Also, it will probably be revealed that Maria Hill and maybe Baron Zemo are in on the conspiracy. After all, people are asking why are they going after just the heroes? Could it be that Hill was ordered not to?

I actually got an impression that Stamford may have been anything BUT an accident in FRONTLINE #1, when Sally claimed that the incident was all but "a gift to politicians who've wanted to pass a SHRA for a good long time", or something like that.

To connect that to real-world leftest zeal, there are a good many on the fringe level of Liberalism who still believe that Pres. Bush and/or his administration somehow "caused" 9/11 due to either purposeful negligence or even outright "JFK/Magic Bullet"-level super-corruption that almost never exists in real life. I've even heard such theories from a professor in college (for a "Social Welfare" course no less). The reason, of course, was for an excuse to invade Iraq either as "revenge for Daddy" or "for the oil" (of course, if we're looting Iraqi oil, then why are prices so high? Because we're not, obviously). To be fair, one could step down from the extremist perch and claim that the administration perhaps "overreacted", rightfully or wrongly, to the threat Saddam posed to the world at large and used that to their motive to war.

Getting back on track, its a common comic book staple not only to favor the liberal side over the conservative one, but also to depict most government as being as corrupt as befitting a story without delving too much into Fascism (unless the story demands it, like V FOR VENDETTA). So if it turns out that Stamford was "manufactured", I wouldn't be surprised, and it could actually provide for a very effective "hook" and bring some new angles and emotions to the story if played off well. The trick would be to play it off in a way where it doesn't seem like extremist breast-beating, as the typical issue of ULTIMATES 2 usually reads. Thankfully, CIVIL WAR's not nearly as extremist as ULTIMATES 2 has been, probably because its a product of many cooks instead of one.

 

[Themanofbat]

The reason, of course, was for an excuse to invade Iraq either as "revenge for Daddy" or "for the oil" (of course, if we're looting Iraqi oil, then why are prices so high? Because we're not, obviously).

I wouldn't say that it's obvious that "you're not"... If anything, if BushCo. & friends now have control of Iraq's oil, prices could remain as high if not higher because people will pay the prices and those in charge of this oil (BushCo. & friends) are going to make more money.

 

[stillanerd]

I actually got an impression that Stamford may have been anything BUT an accident in FRONTLINE #1, when Sally claimed that the incident was all but "a gift to politicians who've wanted to pass a SHRA for a good long time", or something like that.

Not to mention Ben Urich wanting to ask How the Riverbank Massacre happened, not to mention Wolverine wanting to find the bad guy while no one else seems interested, as well as S.H.I.E.L.D. focusing their efforts on nabbing HEROES rather than the villains.

To connect that to real-world leftest zeal, there are a good many on the fringe level of Liberalism who still believe that Pres. Bush and/or his administration somehow "caused" 9/11 due to either purposeful negligence or even outright "JFK/Magic Bullet"-level super-corruption that almost never exists in real life. I've even heard such theories from a professor in college (for a "Social Welfare" course no less). The reason, of course, was for an excuse to invade Iraq either as "revenge for Daddy" or "for the oil" (of course, if we're looting Iraqi oil, then why are prices so high? Because we're not, obviously). To be fair, one could step down from the extremist perch and claim that the administration perhaps "overreacted", rightfully or wrongly, to the threat Saddam posed to the world at large and used that to their motive to war.

Exactly. And, considering Mark Millar's politics, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this is the impression he is trying to convey onto his readers under the pretense that it's a superhero slugfest, which really says a lot about his mindset--if he truly believes in that "9/11 conspiracy" theory that's been adopted by the radical far left.

Getting back on track, its a common comic book staple not only to favor the liberal side over the conservative one, but also to depict most government as being as corrupt as befitting a story without delving too much into Fascism (unless the story demands it, like V FOR VENDETTA). So if it turns out that Stamford was "manufactured", I wouldn't be surprised, and it could actually provide for a very effective "hook" and bring some new angles and emotions to the story if played off well. The trick would be to play it off in a way where it doesn't seem like extremist breast-beating, as the typical issue of ULTIMATES 2 usually reads. Thankfully, CIVIL WAR's not nearly as extremist as ULTIMATES 2 has been, probably because its a product of many cooks instead of one.

One would hope so, anyway.

 

[Dread]

Not to mention Ben Urich wanting to ask How the Riverbank Massacre happened, not to mention Wolverine wanting to find the bad guy while no one else seems interested, as well as S.H.I.E.L.D. focusing their efforts on nabbing HEROES rather than the villains.

Indeed. Although an outright "superheroes vs. the U.S. government" thing probably isn't realistically on the table for 616, so it may turn out to be a "rogue faction" or something. I mean, that always worked for various revamped Sentinal programs (before GUNDAM, I mean SENTINAL SQUAD O*N*E*).

Exactly. And, considering Mark Millar's politics, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this is the impression he is trying to convey onto his readers under the pretense that it's a superhero slugfest, which really says a lot about his mindset--if he truly believes in that "9/11 conspiracy" theory that's been adopted by the radical far left.

To be fair, Mark Millar is hardly the first or only Marvel writer, or comic book writer in general, to have a "left-leaning bias". That's old news, ever since comics were made one could claim. Its part of the genre every bit as much as the capes and the laser blasts, and that's fine so long as the stories don't get so overshadowed by political drum-beating. That's happened, unfortunately, to ULTIMATES 2, a story Millar has total control over. CIVIL WAR, on the other hand, he has less individual control because everything had to be planned by Marvel's think-tank and approved. Hence, its not as extremist so far and is striking more of a balence (the SHRA side so far hasn't been depicted as being outright evil).

 

[Darthphere]

You guys are ruining this thread with your long discourses. Its supposed to be Ooooo this cover looks cool.