Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[SwordOfMorning]

Should Echo or Agatha gotten a show? Probably not no, those were unfortunately green lit in their phase of ramping up their streaming product (though I feel Agatha may end up being good due to the cast) . I disagree about Ironheart though, I feel like that has potential to work (whether the limited series format will help or not is another story). Regardless the ship has sailed on any of them getting scrapped. But I feel dubbing worthless characters is a bit much. I don't think any of these characters are worthless, it's just the execution of how they are being handled. Not every character needs a show, but a lot of characters work wonders as supporting acts.

Yep. I'm sure those shows will be bad but who gives a **** how many fans a character has?

One of the worst things to come out of Batgirl's scrapping is putting it in people's heads that "Lol I don't want this show that has already been filmed to happen, they should scrap it and make sure everyone's hard work is never seen and any future residuals are never earned" is a reasonable stance.

 

[DyeLorean]

Daredevil Season 3 was fantastic. All they did on that show is better than anything they've done on Disney+. It felt like a proper TV series.

 

[kguillou]

Agree @DyeLorean , in fact for me personally, Daredevil seasons 1-3 might just be my favorite live action Marvel adaptation, period.

Whether this is a reboot or a continuation, Born Again has heavy shoes to fill.

 

[Erik20]

Yeah I don't mind him not being in the suit if they focused more on the legal drama side of things but I highly doubt they were capable of writing great dialogue and great court room scenes like in the Netflix show to carry it. And I'm sure the Marvel/Disney suits were mad that it's not flashy enough.

This kind of sounds like we wouldn't be getting any DareDevil action the first 3 episodes, not even the "black suit..."

Maybe they were shooting this as if it was a "cut up movie" again like some of the other MCU shows, which I would hate.

Also, killing off Karen and Foggy in the first episode (off screen probably) sounds terrible... Alien 3/Terminator Dark Fate type bad decision.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Same. It just makes the most sense. I think truthfully the only reason they didnt make this season 4 is because they dont want the baggage of the other netflix marvel shows. Because then everyone would be like “so wheres Jessica, Luke and Danny?” And Marvel likely wants to distance themselves from that but keep the one character and actor out of that bunch that everyone unanimously loved.

Them bringing back Kingpin and Punisher would just add more fuel to 'Where are the other characters?' conversation. Punisher got his own show, so that would be bringing back two of the main Marvel Netflix leads who got their own show. In turn, people will wonder why not the others.

 

[Filmfreak]

They should have either kept everyone and continue from where it left us or just reboot the whole thing completely. Keeping 2-3 actors (and kind of the continuity, but not really), while changing the rest, along with the writers, tone, rating and style was always a dumb idea. It makes no sense to only keep a small part of what people loved about the show and change everything else.

 

[BatsAndNights]

I mean it ain't even like Netflix characters really crossed over that much. You had Luke Cage, Jessica Jones and Iron Fist crossover in their shows like once a season for a quick cameo. Daredevil was always kept very separate from the others bar Defenders. So I don't see why they can't just bring the original cast back and essentially treat it the same way. Except it's the grander MCU that's being kept separate now.

 

[DyeLorean]

Or maybe just make a really good Daredevil movie?

 

[squeekness]

Daredevil Season 3 was fantastic. All they did on that show is better than anything they've done on Disney+. It felt like a proper TV series.

Agreed. It's a shame Netflix had to give it up.

 

[Venom 1988]

Agreed. It's a shame Netflix had to give it up.

They actually didn't have to give it up. Netflix were the ones who cancelled the shows in the first place. According to their "calculations" viewership numbers were dropping on all the shows and it was getting to the point that continuing to pay for distribution for the Marvel IP wasn't paying off.

 

[squeekness]

They actually didn't have to give it up. Netflix were the ones who cancelled the shows in the first place. According to their "calculations" viewership numbers were dropping on all the shows and it was getting to the point that continuing to pay for distribution for the Marvel IP wasn't paying off.

Oh, I thought it was the rights going back to Disney for Disney+.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

It’s time to just hire the old crew - make season 4.

They can’t ruin my favorite Marvel character… please take time and do it right.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

It’s time to just hire the old crew - make season 4.

They can’t ruin my favorite Marvel character… please take time and do it right.

Pretty sure they won't because there's bad blood between the original showrunners and Marvel (Disney screwed them out of residuals). I imagine they also don't want to include Foggy or Karen because they'd have to pay them more than new faces.

 

[BatsAndNights]

Pretty sure they won't because there's bad blood between the original showrunners and Marvel (Disney screwed them out of residuals). I imagine they also don't want to include Foggy or Karen because they'd have to pay them more than new faces.

Man I don't care how much money Disney's gotta pay to correct that, they absolutely have the money to do so.

Not doing everything within their power to get the original cast and crew back after what they did on Netflix borders on sacrilege

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Pretty sure they won't because there's bad blood between the original showrunners and Marvel (Disney screwed them out of residuals). I imagine they also don't want to include Foggy or Karen because they'd have to pay them more than new faces.

Its all about money. As it seems Disney thought that the big three actors along with the men in their suits would be good enough to get folks back in and subscriptions rolling. Only the first few episodes didn't even include the correct physical combat suit.

 

[Sithborg]

Man I don't care how much money Disney's gotta pay to correct that, they absolutely have the money to do so.

Not doing everything within their power to get the original cast and crew back after what they did on Netflix borders on sacrilege

You are assuming that ANYTHING they did in the original show is compatible with what Feige wants for the MCU. Should I point out the complaints about Kingpin in Hawkeye?

Its all about money. As it seems Disney thought that the big three actors along with the men in their suits would be good enough to get folks back in and subscriptions rolling. Only the first few episodes didn't even include the correct physical combat suit.

Have you seen the pacing of the Disney+ shows?

 

[P Supreme]

better late than never i say that premise of Matt not suiting up until the 4th and killing Foggy offscreen
yeah F all that what disney + has done to the Marvel and Star Wars IP is criminal

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

I genuinely feel Marvel has completely fallen off. It’s a real shame what happened but they’re a shadow of their former selves. So disappointing. The shows are all ****ing lame, let’s be real. They’re just not that good.

 

[kguillou]

I still am absolutely BAFFLED that a group of highly paid creative people thought it was an inkling of a good idea to not have Matt suit up until episode 4. Which means they were going to cock tease the audience for 4 whole weeks about seeing some actual Daredevil action in the show. That is so a**backwards. We're tuning in to this show to see the man suit up, hit the streets and beat down criminals. This probably would have been a ratings disaster with this approach.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

There is absolutely a show to be made where Matt takes awhile to suit up. Plenty of Daredevil runs have long swathes where he doesn't at all. But, let's be real, this isn't going to have the kind of writing to make that enthralling. Stuff like that can totally work and be a bold, effective move it just has to be good.

 

[DyeLorean]

There is absolutely a show to be made where Matt takes awhile to suit up. Plenty of Daredevil runs have long swathes where he doesn't at all.

It could work when dropping an entire season like Netflix did.

The weekly approach doesn't work for Marvel when there are episodes so boring where nothing of importance happens. It's so obvious that they pay close attention (and money) on a few select episodes and the rest are filler. They treat a season with a three-act structure like a movie when the three-act structure should also work within each episode. Something needs to start and end in an episode. Otherwise just make it a movie.

 

[Venom 1988]

I genuinely feel Marvel has completely fallen off. It’s a real shame what happened but they’re a shadow of their former selves. So disappointing. The shows are all ****ing lame, let’s be real. They’re just not that good.

Not all the shows are bad, so no hard disagree. Your opinion isn't fact.

 

[DyeLorean]

For me is not that the shows are bad but that there doesn't seem to be genuine care behind them. That's what really bothers me. There was an evident effort in their first three (WandaVision, Loki, Falcon & WS) but after that it became "Generic Disney+ content to keep our subscribers". Nothing was must-see Marvel TV after that.

 

[Venom 1988]

For me is not that the shows are bad but that there doesn't seem to be genuine care behind them. That's what really bothers me. There was an evident effort in their first three (WandaVision, Loki, Falcon & WS) but after that it became "Generic Disney+ content to keep our subscribers". Nothing was must-see Marvel TV after that.

I don't know if there isn't genuine care still going on but I do agree they lost their luster and must see TV quality. And part of that is due to the amount balls they were trying to juggle as well as all this behind the scenes drama. As I said on the last page, part of the problem is they just need the shows be shows. Some of their TV output would have either been better as a movie or as a longer season. And for something like Secret Invasion, I don't know where to start with that one.

 

[DyeLorean]

I don't know if there isn't genuine care still going on but I do agree they lost their luster and must see TV quality. And part of that is due to the amount balls they were trying to juggle as well as all this behind the scenes drama. As I said on the last page, part of the problem is they just need the shows be shows. Some of their TV output would have either been better as a movie or as a longer season. And for something like Secret Invasion, I don't know where to start with that one.

Secret Invasion is the most glaring evidence of all the problems they've been having. Is the combination of all their worst tendencies when it comes to TV shows.