Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

[DyeLorean]

A tv series imo is just not a good medium for live action Marvel. Limited in action. Budget restraints. The movies are still the bread/butter of Marvel Studios, so these shows aren't gonna get the same care/attention as the movies.

Sure but big budget quality TV can be done (Game of Thrones, Andor) is just that the story/script needs to sustain an x amount of episodes. I don't think special effects are a problem per se with Marvel Studios series (I for one think She-Hulk looked amazing) but there's not enough plot, they tend to stretch things out.

 

[Breogan]

I'm glad DD was separate from the spectacle bloat (and budget) of the Disney MCU and movies.
It's what I liked about it.
It doesn't need him saving the Universe swinging through the cosmos and fighting supernatural CG elemntals and kaiju.

I remember when Moonknight abandoned the more psychological character driven aspects for some over the top CG battle, is when I finally tuned out. And the first thing Disney did with DD was put him in outrageous CG fight with Shulk, turning Kingpin into a bloated punching bag cartoon caricature of himself, to fight agains Hawkeye. No thanks!

Sure the occasional CG acrobatics across the city skyline, before landing in a grim dark alley or hallway is great, yet I also enjoy the more grounded, exigent fight scenes the small budget impels, and the character driven drama, and long episodic nature, the show allowed for and developed.

 

[psylockolussus]

Sure but big budget quality TV can be done (Game of Thrones, Andor) is just that the story/script needs to sustain an x amount of episodes. I don't think special effects are a problem per se with Marvel Studios series (I for one think She-Hulk looked amazing) but there's not enough plot, they tend to stretch things out.

But see, they have these blockbuster movies that they plan out years in advance. Its not really similar to Game to Thrones who haven't ventured into the movies yet. There hasn't been a Star Wars movie since 2019.

Also, yes, Marvel Studios has a habit of stretching out a story for 6 to 9 episodes, that could easily be told in a 2 hour movie. But outside Marvel, I've seen many serialized shows that do the same thing and nothing really gets resolved by the end of the season.

Budget would always be an issue when it comes to these shows, because if they venture to other story arcs that would feature other location and supervillains/superheroes that would only appear in 1 to 2 episodes, that would really increase the budget. I can't see Marvel Studios doing a live action X-Men series, with 9 episodes, that would feature the Sentinels, Morlock tunnels, Savage Land and Asteriod M, and dedicate a two to three episode arc for every single of them and not look cheap with a $200 million budget for all episodes combined. And who really wants to see that when you have these blockbuster Marvel movies coming out every 3 to 6 months anyway. Even if people watched season 1, there's always a risk of sophomore slump and losing viewers for the follow up seasons.

live action Tv is just not ideal platform for a lot of Marvel ips. Even Daredevil imo, felt lacking in spectacle. And I always wanted to see more comic book characters during the first 3 seasons of the show, rather deal with Fisk 90% of the series.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I mean TV does a much better job of capturing the serial nature of comics more than a movie sequel every two years does.

This is why I think animation does a better job of adapting comics than live action does a lot of the time. Because both mediums are about translating drawings into movement (animation does that literally, whereas comics rely on your imagination to do a lot of the heavy lifting), and you can have movie like spectacle a lot cheaper in a splash page or 2D animation than you can with CGI that has to look as close to photo real as possible.

 

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[DyeLorean]

Fan-made

 

[Spider-Fan]

A tv series imo is just not a good medium for live action Marvel. Limited in action. Budget restraints. The movies are still the bread/butter of Marvel Studios, so these shows aren't gonna get the same care/attention as the movies.

Depends on the character. For Thor? Probably not cause you have a lot of effects heavy stuff. Daredevil? TV is perfect. He is a lawyer, which can keep intrigue up for long periods when he isn't in a costume, and he more or less is just a guy who is great at fighting. He doesn't throw cars or do anything you cannot realistically do in a show. So Daredevil and characters on this scale are perfect for Disney+ series. Which is why they should focus on them

 

[Filmfreak]

Depends on the character. For Thor? Probably not cause you have a lot of effects heavy stuff. Daredevil? TV is perfect. He is a lawyer, which can keep intrigue up for long periods when he isn't in a costume, and he more or less is just a guy who is great at fighting. He doesn't throw cars or do anything you cannot realistically do in a show. So Daredevil and characters on this scale are perfect for Disney+ series. Which is why they should focus on them

Thank God he wasn't in a TV show, otherwise we would have missed all those glorious special effects.

 

[Venom 1988]

Fan-made

Yeah Screen Culture is a horrible channel that solely make faking trailers without labeling them as such for clicks. In the description, which most people probably don't read, they say it's a "concept trailer". And now the last few months they've been using AI

 

[Spider-Fan]

Thank God he wasn't in a TV show, otherwise we would have missed all those glorious special effects.

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Sure but the TV version of those same effects would have been even worse lol

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

More grounded than Penguin? Not sure I believe that!

Is it a competition, showrunners? To say it's even more grounded, to Penguin or otherwise, would imply that Daredevil wasn't grounded to begin with, which it very much was.

 

[DyeLorean]

I would've seen a Thor-centric comedy show like those Team Thor shorts for sure. Back then when, you know... Taika was funny.

 

[Filmfreak]

Sure but the TV version of those same effects would have been even worse lol

To be clear I didn't post that to weaken your argument per se. What you say is a very logical conclusion, and I agree on your points both about Daredevil and about Thor... in theory.

The problem is Marvel is releasing garbage CGI in both TV and movie fronts without a huge difference between them unfortunately. She-Hulk looks as bad as Doctor Strange's third eye and Gaya Super Skrull transformation looks as bad as Modok. Practically the bar is so low where it ultimately doesn't really make much difference is what I'm saying. What changes is the quantity of CG shots used, not the quality.

But in most cases I'd tend to agree, even despite seeing various shows that look glorious visually.

 

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[blueharvest]

Daredevil: Born Again Violence Goes ‘Way Past Anything Netflix Ever Did’

Showrunner Dario Scardapane is confident Daredevil hasn't been watered down as he comes to Disney+. Read more at Empire.

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[TheVileOne]

Daredevil: Born Again Violence Goes ‘Way Past Anything Netflix Ever Did’

Showrunner Dario Scardapane is confident Daredevil hasn't been watered down as he comes to Disney+. Read more at Empire.

www.empireonline.com

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Actions speak louder than words. Also, the Netflix show was pretty violent and TV-MA.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Actions speak louder than words. Also, the Netflix show was pretty violent and TV-MA.

Right? Like, let us see the final product to judge for ourselves, but don't go making this a competition and compare it to the Netflix series that had its own share of violent moments- even compared to the other Marvel Netflix shows.

As the showrunner should know, those violent moments were great, but that's not why we watched. Heck, one of the show's greatest scenes is just Matt and Frank arguing on the rooftop. To hype up the violence in Born Again makes me wonder how much of a story there is here. I'm sure there is one, but the showrunner certainly isn't talking about- just how violent this show is.

 

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[Pennywise]

 

[lenz]

Is it a competition, showrunners? To say it's even more grounded, to Penguin or otherwise, would imply that Daredevil wasn't grounded to begin with, which it very much was.

I feel like more "grounded" is just cycling back to the constant tension that is always at play in this genre. In 2008-2012 (or roughy that timeframe) the arguments online often revolved around "transcending" the genre, or what constitutes a great CBM. I remember Joss Whedon famously saying he doesn't need to transcend the genre because he believes in it.

At the end of the day its just creators using buzz words to sell their movies/shows to different audiences, or at the very least, the core audience of a particular property. It doesn't speak to to quality or ultimate success.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[TheVileOne]

Will he have superpowers in this one?

 

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[blueharvest]

"I Have A Lot Of Serious Bones In My Body": She-Hulk Actor Addresses Whether The Character Could Come Over To Daredevil: Born Again

Daredevil returns to the MCU in March.

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