Born Again Marvel Studios’ Daredevil: Born Again General Discussion Thread

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[Pennywise]

 

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[Deck Rickard]

This looks great. I can’t wait to see more!

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[AndrewGilkison]

The intern behind that twitter account needs to enter the witness protection program, because pissing off the Kingpin is never a good idea.

 

[Gu3ree]

I'm more excited about Daredevil: Born Again than any other upcoming Marvel project. Have to point out though, I never liked Bullseye's suit we saw from the set photos. I think he could have a more comic accurate suit that would work in the series without looking cheesy.

 

[lenz]

I'm more excited about Daredevil: Born Again than any other upcoming Marvel project. Have to point out though, I never liked Bullseye's suit we saw from the set photos. I think he could have a more comic accurate suit that would work in the series without looking cheesy.

For me it's Fantastic Four and Daredevil.

Those are the two projects upcoming that I believe have the potential make people believe a turnaround to former status is possible.

My main fear/ suspicion with Daredevil is the show diminishing the importance of Matt's Catholicism.

 

[Venom 1988]

think he could have a more comic accurate suit

Tbf, this suit is from the comics.

 

[Gu3ree]

For me it's Fantastic Four and Daredevil.

Those are the two projects upcoming that I believe have the potential make people believe a turnaround to former status is possible.

My main fear/ suspicion with Daredevil is the show diminishing the importance of Matt's Catholicism.

How so? At least now we know that this show will be canon with the former Netflix series. I was worried they were going to go too light. But I feel like in the previous series, Matt's Catholicism played a crucial role in the whole series, especially season 3, but do we need more?

I left out Fantastic Four. I forgot that it is also releasing next year, but that is on my list of most anticipated Marvel movies coming out next year. I couldn't compare it to DD though, so I like them both but from different angles. Out of all superhero TV or streaming shows that are out, I like Daredevil the most. It's dark and takes itself seriously. The writing is great. The acting is fantastic. Overall, I was mostly impressed by the realism in the show. It feels like a superhero show for adults. While I did want to see Tom Holland's Spider-Man appear, I wanted it to be grounded. While I like the MCU films, it is still theatrical and it usually has a typical 3-act structure with many predictions.

Shang-Chi was a prime example. I didn't dislike the film, but it already felt so predictable while watching it. Cameos (Abomination and Trevor) the on-the-nose humor, a cute CGI creature, comic relief characters, and a secret hidden kingdom, which feels like Wakanda all over again, or Thor. The hero saves the day, and there's an epic 3rd-act battle. Lots of fantasy. Seen it already.

In the MCU, the dialogue and stories gradually evolved and matured when the Russo Brothers came in and the films got better. While Netflix had their own Marvel series that never could confirm whether it co-existed in the MCU, the shows were much more grounded. There was something about the Daredevil series that was so refreshing. I could take it seriously. It felt more grounded. I liked it. It wasn't always predictable whereas with most of the MCU films, we know how it will end. The MCU films are less realistic by comparison. Most of them have happy endings with the exception of Infinity War. Not all of the MCU films I think have to be taken seriously though, like Ant-Man and Daredevil. But honestly, the Joss Whedon humor has gone out of style. That being said, I do like most of the MCU movies, but feel like it's time to ground them a little more--albeit, not all of them need to be serious.

I might rank The Boys as a close second on the list.

 

[lenz]

How so? At least now we know that this show will be canon with the former Netflix series. I was worried they were going to go too light. But I feel like in the previous series, Matt's Catholicism played a crucial role in the whole series, especially season 3, but do we need more?

I left out Fantastic Four. I forgot that it is also releasing next year, but that is on my list of most anticipated Marvel movies coming out next year. I couldn't compare it to DD though, so I like them both but from different angles. Out of all superhero TV or streaming shows that are out, I like Daredevil the most. It's dark and takes itself seriously. The writing is great. The acting is fantastic. Overall, I was mostly impressed by the realism in the show. It feels like a superhero show for adults. While I did want to see Tom Holland's Spider-Man appear, I wanted it to be grounded. While I like the MCU films, it is still theatrical and it usually has a typical 3-act structure with many predictions.

Shang-Chi was a prime example. I didn't dislike the film, but it already felt so predictable while watching it. Cameos (Abomination and Trevor) the on-the-nose humor, a cute CGI creature, comic relief characters, and a secret hidden kingdom, which feels like Wakanda all over again, or Thor. The hero saves the day, and there's an epic 3rd-act battle. Lots of fantasy. Seen it already.

In the MCU, the dialogue and stories gradually evolved and matured when the Russo Brothers came in and the films got better. While Netflix had their own Marvel series that never could confirm whether it co-existed in the MCU, the shows were much more grounded. There was something about the Daredevil series that was so refreshing. I could take it seriously. It felt more grounded. I liked it. It wasn't always predictable whereas with most of the MCU films, we know how it will end. The MCU films are less realistic by comparison. Most of them have happy endings with the exception of Infinity War. Not all of the MCU films I think have to be taken seriously though, like Ant-Man and Daredevil. But honestly, the Joss Whedon humor has gone out of style. That being said, I do like most of the MCU movies, but feel like it's time to ground them a little more--albeit, not all of them need to be serious.

I might rank The Boys as a close second on the list.

In regards to Matt's Catholicism, yes we do need more because the conflict never ends. It played a significant role in possibly the best adaptation of a Marvel character ever. Now they've gone ahead and titled this new show Born Again. That story is ultimately about death, rebirth, and redemtion through faith.

In the rooftop scene in Season 2, the Punisher is presented as the extreme counterpoint to Daredevil. Matt's faith is the reason he has not been reduced to Frank's completely hopeless and fallen state. Or having that "one bad day away from being me" idea. Matt represents the Struggle of the Cross, the Punisher represents the Fall of Man.

That is Matt's worldview and the foundation of the character since the early 80's.

 

[TheVileOne]

The intern behind that twitter account needs to enter the witness protection program, because pissing off the Kingpin is never a good idea.

Does Discussing Film even have interns? Are they corporately owned?

 

[Breogan]

..., Netflix Bullseye was terrible.

That's to bad, I thought Wilson Bethel was a great Bullseye, the whole season was an extended origin for him.
Poindexter was an unhinged, psychopath, whose insane OCD, manifests or is released as a near supernatural deadly skill (for good or bad), Yet he's unable to focus it, and himself, unless someone points him and his incredible skill to some "use".
And that's what he's looking for.
Be it his coach, the gov. military, FBI, as a hired assassin to Kingpin who finally provides him the focus and purpose he sought, and finally whoever is putting him together at the end. Set up for S4

Thought that was a fantastic take. Much better than the caricature in the movie anyway, seemed a empathetic, humanizing look at Bullseye, who is mostly true to the comic (as far as I know), and a convincing deadly rival for DD.

What was so "terrible" to you?
Curious how they use him in S4.

Though the new suit leaves some to be desired, that goes for DD as well, never liked any of the costume designs on the show. (other than the all black Zorro proto-suit, though he is meant to evolve from that blank slate, and into owning the devil themed red.)

 

[TheVileOne]

No, I don't.

 

[Breogan]

I've seen Chip Zdarsky concept art referenced, so just sharing some panels how he actually appears in the book. where they are drawing inspiration for his "new" look.

it's not bad, I actually think it's a fair interpretation, and speaks to the characters past, but yeah follows the more modern trend of being ashamed of the comic book axium that "costumes" existed, and it's all just been tactical "gear". Show going further in removing any recognizable themed logos.

What's good if you collect figures, you don't have to wait, and can just break out your vintage Joe Beachead figure.

Spoiler

 

[Breogan]

@ abt 0:54 Some DD maybe one blink-and-you-miss new shot.

 

[routhman]

18 episodes has me very worried about quality. At best, I expect it to consist of very short episodes that feel chopped up, like The Acolyte. I’m hoping I’m wrong.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

18 episodes has me very worried about quality. At best, I expect it to consist of very short episodes that feel chopped up, like The Acolyte. I’m hoping I’m wrong.

This was the plan before the show underwent a creative overhaul. As of now, the first season consists of only nine episodes.

 

[routhman]

This was the plan before the show underwent a creative overhaul. As of now, the first season consists of only nine episodes.

Ah, gotcha. That’s much better. A recent SHH story is still claiming 18.

 

[DyeLorean]

I just realized I never saw Bernthal's Punisher series. Is it good?!

 

[squeekness]

I just realized I never saw Bernthal's Punisher series. Is it good?!

Yes.

 

[Gu3ree]

I just feel like Bullseye does need to have an actual Bullseye symbol on his forehead. Also I agree that Bullseye or "Pointdexter's" arc was very well done and the actor did a great job portraying him as a complete psychopath. The suit I've seen from the set photos-it just looks like a simple uniform and lame. I can't think of a better way to describe it.

 

[TheVileOne]

I just realized I never saw Bernthal's Punisher series. Is it good?!

It's mediocre and suffers from an identity crisis. It's Punisher but it doesn't really want to be Punisher.