Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[DarthSkywalker]

What kind of stuff? Lol. Superman crashing into a gas station and exploding it in the middle of the day is what happened, what do you need more? Superman actually directly burning people?

And what do we call all the action scenes involving Cap, Fury, and Widow that happened in public and involved gunfire? Widow runs into a crowd of people knowing TWS is chasing her.

[BLACKOUT]They crashed 3 helicarriers[/BLACKOUT].

Oh for sure he deserved it. But the character i've been reading for 20 odd years in the comics isn't too fond of using his powers for personal retribution. I mean that is the whole point of why Superman is such a great hero. He has all this power, but he doesn't give in to those temptations. That's why he's the whole "beacon of hope". Captain America has the same thing going on. I couldn't imagine him doing something like that.

I think it was Figs who pointed out that this is at a time when Clark/Kal is kinda unsure of himself though. So i can forgive it to some extent.

How did you feel when [BLACKOUT]Cap let Widow tossed Sitwell off a roof[/BLACKOUT]?

 

[Marvin]

What kind of stuff? Lol. Superman crashing into a gas station and exploding it in the middle of the day is what happened, what do you need more? Superman actually directly burning people?

It depends on if anyone was hurt. Lest we re watch all the public explosions superman caused in his various donner era battles.
See electronic coke billboard.

 

[The Endless]

And what do we call all the action scenes involving Cap, Fury, and Widow that happened in public and involved gunfire? Widow runs into a crowd of people knowing TWS is chasing her.

[BLACKOUT]They crashed 3 helicarriers[/BLACKOUT].

[blackout]2 of which landed back in the docks where they came from. The other one came down in the river.[/blackout]

But yea you're right about the rest. Although Widow was telling people to stay out of the way.

How did you feel when [BLACKOUT]Cap let Widow tossed Sitwell off a roof[/BLACKOUT]?

Not a problem with it, considering what happened afterwards. There was no chance of him dying. It wasn't personal retribution for a slight against him either.

 

[Space Ghost]

I can´t believe people actually have a problem with Superman killing someone who is doing everything he can to destroy millions of lifes. Ahahaha. If Superman existed, you wouldn´t be not even one bit upset if he killed someone to save you.

It worked very well in the context of the movie. Like it or not, that has happened in the comics.

 

[The Endless]

I can´t believe people actually have a problem with Superman killing someone who is doing everything he can to destroy millions of lifes. Ahahaha. If Superman existed, you wouldn´t be not even one bit upset if he killed someone to save you.

It worked very well in the context of the movie. Like it or not, that has happened in the comics.

I agree. I thought it was well executed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

[blackout]2 of which landed back in the docks where they came from. The other one came down in the river.[/blackout]

But yea you're right about the rest. Although Widow was telling people to stay out of the way.

And Superman told people to go indoors.

And there were people on those [BLACKOUT]helicarriers[/BLACKOUT].

Not a problem with it, considering what happened afterwards. There was no chance of him dying. It wasn't personal retribution for a slight against him either.

Spoiler

He threatens someone with their life, but it is cool. If Sitwell doesn't give the information, we expect nothing to happen to him? It sounds like the justification for torture I have been hearing the last decade.

 

[The Endless]

And Superman told people to go indoors.

Fair point haha.

Spoiler

He threatens someone with their life, but it is cool. If Sitwell doesn't give the information, we expect nothing to happen to him? It sounds like the justification for torture I have been hearing the last decade.

True. But then he's a soldier. And i'd imagine those methods were more prevalent back in the 40s.

Point is, i thought it was kinda off for Superman, of all heroes, to enact personal retribution on someone who basically just dissed him. But then, he's maybe still struggling with those temptations of using his power in the wrong way.

 

[Space Ghost]

Point is, i thought it was kinda off for Superman, of all heroes, to enact personal retribution on someone who basically just dissed him. But then, he's maybe still struggling with those temptations of using his power in the wrong way.

Yeah. But we´re talking about a young inexperienced Clark Kent, not exactly Superman with the fully developed knowledge of who he really is.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

True. But then he's a soldier. And i'd imagine those methods were more prevalent back in the 40s.

Point is, i thought it was kinda off for Superman, of all heroes, to enact personal retribution on someone who basically just dissed him. But then, he's maybe still struggling with those temptations of using his power in the wrong way.

Clark was upset, but I thought it had as much to do with the young waitress as it did himself. Clark wanted to handle the situation but he couldn't. The chance of losing control. Remember this is Clark before he makes the choice to be Superman.

 

[Marvin]

^People enact crap on Clark his whole life with little retribution on his part, he's not conveyed as the type to get revenge on bullies. See the young bullies in his life. I personally took what he did to that man as a public act of social justice. For the kind waitress no one else would take up for, among others.

One needs to look at just why that man went to town on clark the waiter. It wasn't so much cause he didn't like clark per say, but rather what clark did to him, that is stop him from having his fun at the expense of others. How long till this trucker does it to next well to do waiter at the next well to do bar stop?

I find myself wondering what Steve Rogers would do.
I also don't see this as the first time superman has done things like this. Just like in STM2, it's not simply a personal matter but a public service.
-clever homage imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Cap doesn't like bullies.

 

[The Endless]

I don't think Rogers would stand there in silence then go outside and wreck the guys car. He'd tell the guy to his face that he's an nob head and to apologise to the woman. Then maybe give the guy a clip round the ear hole if he refuses haha.

 

[DarkSovereignty]

Yeah, cap's a nice guy but he's not a pushover with a savior complex.

 

[Marvin]

Push over is such a strong word. Restraint is sometimes the hardest road.

I don't think Rogers would stand there in silence then go outside and wreck the guys car. He'd tell the guy to his face that he's an nob head and to apologise to the woman. Then maybe give the guy a clip round the ear hole if he refuses haha.

Clark told him plenty only to be asked what he was going to do about it. This superman seemingly doesn't put his hands on humans in violence(he's kinda super that way, not so much Parker). However stuff, stuff can be replaced, especially if insured.

You're right though cap probably wouldn't wreck his ride. That's more in line with what superman has been shown to do.

 

[The Guard]

This release date thing is obviously just posturing to get people interested in the respective movies.

And honestly, these Cap/Bucky, Superman/Zod blog posts are amusing more than anything. The writers of many of them clearly don't understand "context", and the arguments within them are kind of asinine.

I think both Cap's movies and MAN OF STEEL have done a nice job showing the relative contexts for certain actions of compassion VS violence/killing. However, I will say that MAN OF STEEL has the best "reaction to killing" sequence I've seen in a superhero film thus far, aside from maybe BATMAN FOREVER and the more recent Batman franchise, which then sort of abandoned that and brushed it under the rug when it happened. No other superhero movie has touched what MAN OF STEEL did in terms of actually addressing what it means to kill someone, IMO. This is something that, to date, the CAPTAIN AMERICA franchise has never really dealt with, and that's a shame, because I think it's a key element of Cap's makeup. The first movie should have dealt with it, and just kind of never did.

 

[The Endless]

This release date thing is obviously just posturing to get people interested in the respective movies.

And honestly, these Cap/Bucky, Superman/Zod blog posts are amusing more than anything. The writers of many of them clearly don't understand "context", and the arguments within them are kind of asinine.

I think both Cap's movies and MAN OF STEEL have done a nice job showing the relative contexts for certain actions of compassion VS violence/killing. However, I will say that MAN OF STEEL has the best "reaction to killing" sequence I've seen in a superhero film thus far, aside from maybe BATMAN FOREVER and the more recent Batman franchise, which then sort of abandoned that and brushed it under the rug when it happened. No other superhero movie has touched what MAN OF STEEL did in terms of actually addressing what it means to kill someone, IMO. This is something that, to date, the CAPTAIN AMERICA franchise has never really dealt with, and that's a shame, because I think it's a key element of Cap's makeup. The first movie should have dealt with it, and just kind of never did.

When did Man of Steel address it? He screamed "NOOOO!" then the next scene is him being all chirpy with the General. Then the scene after that is him joining the Daily Planet in a seemingly ok Metropolis.

 

[The Guard]

When he has a hard time doing it, begs the villain not to make him, screams in agony, slumps in defeat and pain, and has to be comforted by Lois Lane.

It's called subtlety, even though the initial action was anything but.

 

[The Endless]

When he has a hard time doing it, begs the villain not to make him, screams in agony, slumps in defeat and pain, and has to be comforted by Lois Lane.

It's called subtlety, even though the initial action was anything but.

Falling to his knees and screaming "NOOOOO!" to the sky is subtlety? Ok then.

 

[Marvin]

When he has a hard time doing it, begs the villain not to make him, screams in agony, slumps in defeat and pain, and has to be comforted by Lois Lane.

It's called subtlety, even though the initial action was anything but.

That's definitely a great deal more than we've seen anywhere else. Even more than Blade 1 & 2

 

[The Endless]

Hellboy 2 did it when Red killed the Forest God thing. Pretty powerful and beautiful scene really.

 

[The Guard]

Falling to his knees and screaming "NOOOOO!" to the sky is subtlety? Ok then.

No. Where did I say that?

I flat out acknowledged that the moment does not begin in a subtle manner.

 

[Space Ghost]

Hans Zimmer´s score makes everything so epic.

I WILL FIND HIM!!!!

Then the score

TUM TUM TUM TUM TUM!

 

[The Endless]

The score is definitely one of the films strongest points for me. I really like the "flight" theme.

 

[The Endless]

No. Where did I say that?

I flat out acknowledged that the moment does not begin in a subtle manner.

The whole thing isn't subtle. Then it immediately cuts to a light hearted scene with the general. Don't really see how that addresses a hero killing and the repercussions.

 

[DA_Champion]

Clark destroying the guy's truck in MoS is actually very restrained compared to what we saw in Superman II. In the latter he beat up a guy. In the former, he made a guy file for insurance. The former can be debilitating, the latter is merely frustrating.