Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[DarthSkywalker]

Just show the people Batman punching Superman. Everyone will be there.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Obviously I'll end up seeing both. But I have no problem waiting til after opening weekend to see BvS.

Just cuz I think it'd be funny.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They won't come out together, but if they did I'd watch BvS on Thursday night, then Cap 3 on Friday morning.

 

[weezerspider]

My favorite superhero is Batman, but there is no denying Captain America would win this. Marvel has a much better track record right now, and they'll be riding more hype after A:AOU. The mix reaction to MOS, the negative reaction to Batfleck from the GA...I think it will do very well, but it's not going to make more money than Cap 3.

 

[samsnee]

I think BvS will make more opening weekend. Cap couldn't even break 100 last weekend. I do see Cap being ahead of BvS the second weekend if word of mouth isn't great.

 

[kedrell]

WB/DC will flinch and move. Count on it.

 

[mclay18]

And then had an incredible harsh drop. Which probably had something to do with the terrible, terrible reviews it got.

Its that latter thing that bodes really ill for its sequel. A really good movie gets people excited to go out and see its sequel. . . while a bad movie keeps people away.

I love how you emphasize the terrible reviews, when the reaction was actually mixed. That did play a role, but MOS mainly suffered due to World War Z and Monsters University opening the following weekend. MOS lost an extra $20M-$30M (likely more) it would've gained had June not been so packed.

And the amount of articles pointing out how CA:TWS is 'superior' to MOS, in regards to climaxes, have me bewildered. It's tactless drawing parallels between Bucky and Zod, when the two characters are completely different in terms of motivation and circumstances. (Not to mention that Zod was killed by Superman's hands way before MOS came along.) And having the audacity to point out the 'senseless' destruction in MOS while people ignore it in CA:TWS reeks of fanboy hypocrisy.

If anything the climax of CA:TWS should have MOS critics revisit that film, and maybe get a better understanding of why that climax ended like it did. The only parallel between TWS and MOS is that the main characters are forced to make questionable decisions. It's annoying that fanboys give Steve a pass for doing similar things in TWS, and yet criticize Clark for doing it in MOS.

 

[John Locke]

WB/DC will flinch and move. Count on it.

I am. Although I think they can beat Captain America. Not saying Cap won't make a lot of money it will but BvS will make more. First time seeing Batman and Superman together and the first time Wonder Woman's been on the big screen (no doubt they're going to heavily promote her) there's no way that won't do well. There's just no need to risk any lost profits from Cap and vice versa. Marvel just has the track record and the audacity not to back down so WB/DC will have to. This may be a game of chicken but make no mistake both studios are squirming, they just don't want to say uncle this early in the game.

 

[kedrell]

WB/DC have more to lose in this game of chicken. MS can afford to take a loss at this point and keep right on going strong. Not that they desire to.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The longer this game of chicken goes on, the more available release dates dry up.

Marvel should just move to April.

Next time Warner Bros has a juicy release date, Marvel will have every right to steal it away.

 

[kedrell]

^Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Maybe, but karma's a b**ch.

 

[metaphysician]

I love how you emphasize the terrible reviews, when the reaction was actually mixed.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_man_of_steel/

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/man-of-steel

Apparently your idea of "mixed reviews" is "half the reviewers don't hate the movie". If half the reviewers hate the movie, you have failed, its just a question of how badly you've failed.

 

[chaseter]

MoS was awful so I won't be giving my money to any of that. I would bet anything that the sequel will be worse.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

My favorite superhero is Batman, but there is no denying Captain America would win this. Marvel has a much better track record right now, and they'll be riding more hype after A:AOU. The mix reaction to MOS, the negative reaction to Batfleck from the GA...I think it will do very well, but it's not going to make more money than Cap 3.

You're delusional if you actually believe cap 3 will make more than a movie with batman and superman together. If they do open the same day, I'll be seeing cap the following day after BvS. I love cap 2, easily the best marvel film to date, but I still don't like it as much as Man of steel.

 

[mclay18]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_man_of_steel/

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/man-of-steel

Apparently your idea of "mixed reviews" is "half the reviewers don't hate the movie". If half the reviewers hate the movie, you have failed, its just a question of how badly you've failed.

It's a matter of opinion. That's all reviews are. RT has a 56% critics rating for MOS, while the audience score is an average 3.9/5. Big difference. If all movies lived and died on critical reviews alone, the marketplace would be drastically different.

I would say the reception to MOS is mixed, since a lot of people either like or hate the film. Had a few more critics liked it, it would've crossed the RT 'Certified Fresh' threshold of 60%.

 

[mclay18]

^Two wrongs don't make a right.

If anything, WB should just move BvS to April. After all, Marvel did bump up Cap 2 to April after Sony stole the early May spot for ASM2. Everyone seems to forget that Cap 2 was originally supposed to open May 16 before Marvel wised up and moved upwards.

It benefits both studios. WB gets their film out first, add in the novelty factor and gets a whole month to rack up as much money as possible. Marvel keeps their May spot and can swoop in after BvS finishes its run.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_man_of_steel/

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/man-of-steel

Apparently your idea of "mixed reviews" is "half the reviewers don't hate the movie". If half the reviewers hate the movie, you have failed, its just a question of how badly you've failed.

You put too much stock into review scores.

 

[dark_b]

reviews are important as they are important when a comicbook movie gets positive reviews. above 80 and 90 %.

so MOS failed based on what they think is important. it also failed at the BO based on fans expectations.

 

[jmc]

The longer this game of chicken goes on, the more available release dates dry up.

Marvel should just move to April.

Next time Warner Bros has a juicy release date, Marvel will have every right to steal it away.

Difference is WB won't publicly announce 'Untitled Movie' as occupying a release date. I guarantee you WB wouldn't have moved in if Marvel actually announced what the film was.

 

[DA_Champion]

I love how you emphasize the terrible reviews, when the reaction was actually mixed. That did play a role, but MOS mainly suffered due to World War Z and Monsters University opening the following weekend. MOS lost an extra $20M-$30M (likely more) it would've gained had June not been so packed.

And the amount of articles pointing out how CA:TWS is 'superior' to MOS, in regards to climaxes, have me bewildered. It's tactless drawing parallels between Bucky and Zod, when the two characters are completely different in terms of motivation and circumstances. (Not to mention that Zod was killed by Superman's hands way before MOS came along.) And having the audacity to point out the 'senseless' destruction in MOS while people ignore it in CA:TWS reeks of fanboy hypocrisy.

If anything the climax of CA:TWS should have MOS critics revisit that film, and maybe get a better understanding of why that climax ended like it did. The only parallel between TWS and MOS is that the main characters are forced to make questionable decisions. It's annoying that fanboys give Steve a pass for doing similar things in TWS, and yet criticize Clark for doing it in MOS.

Ca:Tws and MoS have very similar climaxes.

 

[DA_Champion]

Difference is WB won't publicly announce 'Untitled Movie' as occupying a release date. I guarantee you WB wouldn't have moved in if Marvel actually announced what the film was.

It was known to be a phase 3 film.

What difference does it make if it is cap 3 as opposed to iron man 4 or ms marvel?

Point is marvel was going to release a phase 3 film on that date, with the announcement to be made in a manner that maximizes publicity.

 

[dark_b]

untitled is untitled. Marvel can not claim a date because they are The Marve Studious.

 

[jmc]

It was known to be a phase 3 film.

What difference does it make if it is cap 3 as opposed to iron man 4 or ms marvel?

So? Just because it's Marvel doesn't give them the right to automatically claim that date if they've got nothing to announce.

Point is marvel was going to release a phase 3 film on that date, with the announcement to be made in a manner that maximizes publicity.

Well that's what happens when you fall asleep, the tortoise wins the race.

 

[DA_Champion]

untitled is untitled. Marvel can not claim a date because they are The Marve Studious.

So? Just because it's Marvel doesn't give them the right to automatically claim that date if they've got nothing to announce.

Well that's what happens when you fall asleep, the tortoise wins the race.

I'm not interested in morality debates about which studio has more of a "right" to the date. In my view, all studios have a right to that date.

Marvel and WB can both do whatever they want. Good manners and being nice don't play a role, and there is no such thing as "claiming a date".

As I see it, Marvel was going to release something on that date, maybe Iron Man 4, maybe Thor 3, maybe Doctor Strange, whatever, probably not the sequel to Big Hero Six.

WB at that point can do whatever they want. There are no good guys or bad guys here. They chose to put their movie on the same date as Marvel, which they knew would lead to a showdown (unless they're braindead).

An interesting tactical decision, an interesting risk.