Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[Brother Jack]

I'd be very surprised if BvS doesn't at least clear a billion at the worldwide box office. I have little doubts of that.

I'm far more concerned over whether I'll enjoy it. There's so many people that I don't care for involved in the production of this film that I have a really bad feeling about it. I really hope I'm wrong.

I'm definitely going to go see it, but yeah. At the end of the day its a Zack Snyder movie written by David Goyer and a sequel to a problematic film. There is not a whole lot of expectation there for it to be a great movie.

 

[Heretic]

So you're basically dismissing this film before they even have a trailer ready, let alone filming. Wonderful.

Yes, and I have good reason.

I gave them money for Jonah Hex. I regret that.
I gave them money for Green Lantern. I regret that.
I gave them money for Man of Steel. I regret that.
I did not like The Dark Knight Rises, but I can forgive that since it was on the back of two good films.

In the end...REGARDLESS of how good this movie is...I can't justify giving them more of my money.

Here's how I see it. I can forgive a slip-up in quality. But, when X-Men had two awful movies in a row, I decided that I would not pay for another X-Men film until they made two good movies in a row. They now have...so I will pay for Days of Future Past.

DC is going to have to prove to me that they can actually make good movies before I pay for another one of their films.

 

[matrix_ghost]

I do wonder.... suppose Cap 2 is huge in April. ( more then 300 million in north america alone).
Would Disney still have the movie in May competing directly with BvS or move it forward to april...

 

[DA_Champion]

I'm definitely going to go see it, but yeah. At the end of the day its a Zack Snyder movie written by David Goyer and a sequel to a problematic film. There is not a whole lot of expectation there for it to be a great movie.

Chris Terrio has taken over as screenwriter.

 

[DA_Champion]

Yes, and I have good reason.

I gave them money for Jonah Hex. I regret that.
I gave them money for Green Lantern. I regret that.
I gave them money for Man of Steel. I regret that.
I did not like The Dark Knight Rises, but I can forgive that since it was on the back of two good films.

In the end...REGARDLESS of how good this movie is...I can't justify giving them more of my money.

Here's how I see it. I can forgive a slip-up in quality. But, when X-Men had two awful movies in a row, I decided that I would not pay for another X-Men film until they made two good movies in a row. They now have...so I will pay for Days of Future Past.

DC is going to have to prove to me that they can actually make good movies before I pay for another one of their films.

There's no "DC", every director and every screenwriter is different.

Jonah Hex has nothing to do with Dark Knight Rises.

 

[The Endless]

Yea Green Lantern was a huge misstep, but I think WB/DC learnt from that mistake. MoS was a huge step up from GL, even if it wasn't brilliant.

 

[Donut]

If this happens then this will be a double feature for me when I see both. That is as simple as that

 

[Heretic]

There's no "DC", every director and every screenwriter is different.

Jonah Hex has nothing to do with Dark Knight Rises.

So, one of the biggest companies in the world, with one of the richest treasure troves of characters...just lets people make movies based on their characters with no oversight or coordination at all???

Yeah...maybe that lack of care is why they suck so bad. If they cared then maybe they wouldnt let that happen.

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Yeah but people were really hyped for TDK and TDKR because the films before it were reallly good.

Man of Steel is a iffy boat to paddle, while a lot of fans love it, a lot of fans hate it as well. On top of that, it isn't strictly a Batman movie so the focus wont be on him all the time, and we have a new actor.

This can convey the idea that BVS may not make as much as some fans may think it will. I do say 1 bil is a good estimate, it by any means isn't a lock or a safe estimate.

 

[Dark Raven]

Even if Captain America 2 does very well, and even though I'm more of a Marvel than DC fan, I think I'll still probably end up seeing Batman vs Superman first if they come out on the same day - purely because of the novelty of seeing Superman sharing the screen with Batman (i'll have seen Cap several times by then) and also the big attraction of Wonder Woman who is ridiculously attractive.

And I can imagine many others would be like this too.

 

[Hush]

I'm seeing BVS first because I have a feeling it will be just jaw dropping.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think I'd even see Cap 3 in the same weekend, simply because it would be diminishing returns, and I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much as if I had waited to watch it the following weekend or a few days later. I might be tired after watching one movie and wouldn't be able to fully concentrate or appreciate it.

And I'm sure other people could feel the same way, which is why it seems crazy to have them in both the same weekend. How many times could a parent even take their children to see a movie? That's 4 to 6 hours of your life gone in a day.

 

[Hush]

Oh I'm seeing both in the same day, Midnight one and date night the other.

 

[Warhammer]

Yes, and I have good reason.

I gave them money for Jonah Hex. I regret that.
I gave them money for Green Lantern. I regret that.
I gave them money for Man of Steel. I regret that.
I did not like The Dark Knight Rises, but I can forgive that since it was on the back of two good films.

In the end...REGARDLESS of how good this movie is...I can't justify giving them more of my money.

Here's how I see it. I can forgive a slip-up in quality. But, when X-Men had two awful movies in a row, I decided that I would not pay for another X-Men film until they made two good movies in a row. They now have...so I will pay for Days of Future Past.

DC is going to have to prove to me that they can actually make good movies before I pay for another one of their films.

So do you not watch films produced by Legendary Pictures or Warner Bros Entertainment?

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Oh I'm seeing both in the same day, Midnight one and date night the other.

Yeah if none of the dates change then this is the way I'll go.

 

[Heretic]

So do you not watch films produced by Legendary Pictures or Warner Bros Entertainment?

It depends. In the case of adapting DC comics characters, they have a proven track record of throwing garbage on the screen. Other concepts seem to get more care. A studio that makes Jonah Hex and Green Lantern CAN NOT respect the core fanbase for those characters. I'm sure that if they actually respected a concept, they would make a good movie.

Besides...the history speaks for itself. Of the current era we have Green Lantern (garbage), The Losers (crap, but ultimately forgettable), Jonah Hex (garbage), Man of Steel (I HATED what they did to the concept), and 3 Batman movies (two of which I loved, and the last one I have a big issue with). WHY IN THE WORLD would I blindly have faith that their next attempt will be good, when the only things that made the 2 good Batman movies are no longer there????

 

[mclay18]

It's all contingent on who is producing and directing these movies. Some producers can be wildly erratic from film to film. Chuck Roven has produced all of Chris Nolan's Batman movies, in addition to MOS, but he also has questionable titles like Season of the Witch and Scooby-Doo.

 

[Hush]

It's all contingent on who is producing and directing these movies. Some producers can be wildly erratic from film to film. Chuck Roven has produced all of Chris Nolan's Batman movies, in addition to MOS, but he also has questionable titles like Season of the Witch and Scooby-Doo.

He also produced 12 Monkeys, Fallen and American Hustle. Many Producers have a bunch of **** to there name, these guys gotta make a living and not just work on passion projects.

 

[DA_Champion]

It depends. In the case of adapting DC comics characters, they have a proven track record of throwing garbage on the screen. Other concepts seem to get more care. A studio that makes Jonah Hex and Green Lantern CAN NOT respect the core fanbase for those characters. I'm sure that if they actually respected a concept, they would make a good movie.

Besides...the history speaks for itself. Of the current era we have Green Lantern (garbage), The Losers (crap, but ultimately forgettable), Jonah Hex (garbage), Man of Steel (I HATED what they did to the concept), and 3 Batman movies (two of which I loved, and the last one I have a big issue with). WHY IN THE WORLD would I blindly have faith that their next attempt will be good, when the only things that made the 2 good Batman movies are no longer there????

Green Lantern was actually written by fanboys who loved the source material. It's the same writers as the animated movie First Flight, which drew a better reception from fans. It's the same writers as the Arrow show, which other people tell me is very good.

Ultimately, your argument is quite poor. BvS has a screenplay by Chris Terrio and is directed by Zack Snyder, none of Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, or Catwoman bear any relevance.

Somewhat relevant: Argo, MoS, Watchmen, 300. If you hate all 4 of those movies, or you hate Argo and 2 of the following 3, then you have a point.

 

[Heretic]

Green Lantern was actually written by fanboys who loved the source material. It's the same writers as the animated movie First Flight, which drew a better reception from fans. It's the same writers as the Arrow show, which other people tell me is very good.

Ultimately, your argument is quite poor. BvS has a screenplay by Chris Terrio and is directed by Zack Snyder, none of Jonah Hex, Green Lantern, or Catwoman bear any relevance.

Somewhat relevant: Argo, MoS, Watchmen, 300. If you hate all 4 of those movies, or you hate Argo and 2 of the following 3, then you have a point.

So, Green Lantern was written by THE EXACT people who should have gotten him right...yet they got it so, so wrong. That tells me that the problem comes from above...the bigwigs who make the decisions. I'm not sure why these bigwigs are now powerless for this upcoming movie.

Basically what you have here is a perfect system where there is NO WAY to ever determine whether a movie might be good rather than bad. You're saying that we should always get excited and then pay to see it. If we're disappointed, well...next time I'm sure we won't be, so pay again! And if you are disappointed again, we'll that has no bearing on the next one...so pay up!!

By the way, Zack Snyder took a crap all over Superman as far as I'm concerned. I see no reason to trust him with a hastily thrown in Lex, Batman, Wonder Woman etc. Oh...and Suckerpunch was garbage too....you left that out for some reason. Could it be that it showed how he can ruin even the most incredible of concepts, and that he's awful with women in movies?

 

[DA_Champion]

So, Green Lantern was written by THE EXACT people who should have gotten him right...yet they got it so, so wrong.

That happens sometimes. Berlanti, Guggenheim, Johns, etc have some talent and have produced some good work, but on that particular script they failed miserably. This has happened to good writers before, and it will happen again. Similarly, the same screenwriter who wrote Batman and Robin also wrote A Beautiful Mind.

Basically what you have here is a perfect system where there is NO WAY to ever determine whether a movie might be good rather than bad. You're saying that we should always get excited and then pay to see it.

You obviously failed the section on the SATs dealing with reading comprehension.

By the way, Zack Snyder took a crap all over Superman as far as I'm concerned. I see no reason to trust him with a hastily thrown in Lex, Batman, Wonder Woman etc. Oh...and Suckerpunch was garbage too....you left that out for some reason. Could it be that it showed how he can ruin even the most incredible of concepts, and that he's awful with women in movies?

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By the way, some Warner Brothers films from the past few years:

- The Lord of the Rings 1,2,3,4,5 ... ;
- Harry Potter 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 ;
- Gravity ;
- Inception ;
- Her ;
- The Great Gatsby ;
- Pacific Rim ;
- The Lego Movie ;
- The Matrix ;
- Argo ;
- The Departed ;
- Million Dollar Baby ;

Don't watch any of those movies. The same studio produced Jonah Hex !!!

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Once more, if you hate Argo, Man of Steel, Watchmen, Sucker Punch, Dawn of the Dead, the movie with the birds, and 300, then you should avoid BvS, that's for sure.

 

[Heretic]

Yeah...you are still ignoring my point.

WB clearly has the desire and ability to make quality films. They have shown over and over again that they have no interest in making quality films based on comic books. The results speak for themselves. Hey...maybe they'll make a good movie this time. If they do, then that will PARTIALLY make up for the many times they've made absolutely awful comic book movies.

It's hilarious that you're basically saying that the studio that owns the properties aren't to blame...the director isn't to blame...the writers aren't to blame...and that we should not let history be our guide at all...because SURELY this next movie will be awesome. The repeated over and over and over again crap movies were all just misfires...but it wont happen this time...because this time we have the guy that ruined Man of Steel making it, and he won't ruin two superhero movies in a row!

Again...I HOPE IT IS. If it is, then they are still in a HUGE deficit with the good comic book movies vs bad ones.

 

[DA_Champion]

if you hate Argo, Man of Steel, Watchmen, Sucker Punch, Dawn of the Dead, the movie with the birds, and 300, then you should avoid BvS

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you're basically saying that ... the director isn't to blame...the writers aren't to blame...

You have absolutely no reading comprehension ability. You respond to the posts that you imagine that people wrote, rather than what people actually wrote. Welcome to my ignore list. I'll check again in 6-12 months to see if you've matured intellectually.

 

[Boom]

It's perfectly possible that WB will deliver a solid Batman vs Superman film, just as it's perfectly possible that Marvel will deliver a bad movie down the road.

Track records can suggest a trend, sure, but they hardly dictate certainties to a fault. Especially when said track records are so limited.

WB has had three universally terrible comic book films in the last decade - none of which had anything to do with their plans for the future.

 

[Heretic]

Oh, I understand...you're just making up whatever you need to in order to pretend that we should be excited about this movie.

If Cap 2 sucks, and GotG sucks, and Avengers 2 sucks, and Ant Man sucks...why in the blue hell would you be excited about whatever comes next???? Because...you know...you can't blame Marvel...they aren't responsible. And hey...maybe they just had a string of writers that missed their mark. They tried, darn it! And the directors did their best but mistakes happen! I'm sure they'll get it right the next time!!