Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[redhawk23]

I'm definitely going to go see it, but yeah. At the end of the day its a Zack Snyder movie written by David Goyer and a sequel to a problematic film. There is not a whole lot of expectation there for it to be a great movie.

I mean that didn't stop Transformers 3, a sequel to outright deadful film, directed by Bay and written by a committee of type-writer chimps, from reaching a billion.

 

[Boom]

I mean that didn't stop Transformers 3, a sequel to outright deadful film, directed by Bay and written by a committee of type-writer chimps, from reaching a billion.

Definitive proof that this world is not dictated by logic.

 

[DA_Champion]

People watched TF3 because they enjoy the films. I think 8-18 year old boys enjoy the movie as much as I liked the cartoons, beast wars, and the 1986 movie when I was their age.

 

[zeroapoc]

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You have absolutely no reading comprehension ability. You respond to the posts that you imagine that people wrote, rather than what people actually wrote. Welcome to my ignore list. I'll check again in 6-12 months to see if you've matured intellectually.

You're going to ignore him because you don't like his views, and you hurled the insults... Yet he's the immature one?

 

[Heretic]

There is no incentive at all to make a quality Transformers film because the money keeps rolling in for the terrible ones.

DC/WB has now disappointed me/wasted my money on their last 5 films in a row. If I continue to financially support them, I am sending the same message that Transformers fans are sending..."Everything is cool...keep doing what you're doing."

 

[jmc]

I mean that didn't stop Transformers 3, a sequel to outright deadful film, directed by Bay and written by a committee of type-writer chimps, from reaching a billion.

Thing is Transformers didn't split audiences opinions, everyone knows it's just dumb robots beating the living snot out of one and other. MoS was divisive, some people outright hated the movie.

 

[DarkKnight]

Wow lol I came back in here to catch up on where I left off and I see things have not changed. The same wheels keep on spinning.

Here's what it boils down too. Different strokes for different folks.
People keep bringing up that MOS had mixed reception, people loved it, people hated it etc. etc. Every movie has this, The Avengers, Thor, Captain America, Iron man. They all have the same reception (you can bring up box office numbers all you want but fact is they all still have mixed fan reception), some people hate it and a lot of people loved them.

Someone posted that they are not going to see this movie in the theater because they don't want to give DC/WB anymore of their money until they prove they can make a good movie, yeah okay that's your choice and if you feel that way that's fine. Nothing wrong with that. Again, different strokes folks... I for one will be seeing Superman Vs Batman in theater, but I am one of those people that loved MOS and viewed it as the Superman movie I have been waiting decades to see. I loved every minute of that movie.

Guess what movies I didn't see in theater and not planning on seeing in the theater? The Avengers, Cap America, Thor, Thor 2, Captain America 2. Iron Man 3. Why did I not see these movies in theater you might ask? Well I missed my opportunity to see The Avengers on the big screen but the others movies just did nothing for me. I'm not really a Thor or Cap fan, but when they were released on DVD and I watched them I thought they were snooze fests, didn't care for them at all. so now because of this I have no interest in seeing Cap 2 either. Ironman 2 was a disappointment so lost interest in Ironman 3 and boy oh boy when I finally got around to seeing Ironman 3 on dvd I was pissed and would not watch that abomination of a Ironman film again.

Does this make me a DC fanboy not seeing those movies in the theater? No, why? I watched Ironman and Ironman 2 in theater, I watched the X-men films in the theater and would have watched The Avengers too but I missed my opportunity. I ended up having to rent it and even though I was slightly disappointed in The Avengers I still enjoyed it. But I enjoyed these movies

whats my point here? again people... different strokes. I cannot grasp or understand this whole DC vs Marvel fanboy argument, I suppose I never will understand it. Not going to lie though, I do find it funny sometimes sitting back and reading some of the arrogant comments t: But I suppose I will just never be able to grasp the whole "Marvel or DC is better because of _______"

Anyway LOL
Regards and hope you all enjoy your day
DK

 

[Heretic]

By all means...if you enjoyed Man of Steel...if you are excited about a Batman reboot etc...then go ahead and see Batman vs Superman. For me...as a lifelong fan of both characters ("Batman" being the first word I ever spoke)...Man of Steel was the Superman re-imagining that I always feared would happen. Yeah...I should have known the punch was coming...but it took the wind out of me anyway. As a fan of these characters, I want to see the movie...I just can't send them the message that I approve of what they are doing. If you do approve...go ahead and pay for it.

Thankfully, Marvel has released more good movies than bad...and they actually have it together enough so that they have actual plans, so they don't have to reboot their properties...and we are getting movies frequently enough to keep the excitement at a constant high. Personally, I prefer DC's characters...but I trust a Marvel movie more.

As far as the Marvel films done by Fox, Sony etc...I've practically stopped reading articles and watching trailers for those.

 

[DarkKnight]

By all means...if you enjoyed Man of Steel...if you are excited about a Batman reboot etc...then go ahead and see Batman vs Superman. For me...as a lifelong fan of both characters ("Batman" being the first word I ever spoke)...Man of Steel was the Superman re-imagining that I always feared would happen. Yeah...I should have known the punch was coming...but it took the wind out of me anyway. As a fan of these characters, I want to see the movie...I just can't send them the message that I approve of what they are doing. If you do approve...go ahead and pay for it.

Thankfully, Marvel has released more good movies than bad...and they actually have it together enough so that they have actual plans, so they don't have to reboot their properties...and we are getting movies frequently enough to keep the excitement at a constant high. Personally, I prefer DC's characters...but I trust a Marvel movie more.

As far as the Marvel films done by Fox, Sony etc...I've practically stopped reading articles and watching trailers for those.

I understand what you are saying and I can see your point. as far as Marvel not having to reboot their properties, I wouldn't necessarily say that. Fantastic four, Spiderman, Hulk and Punisher to name a few.
I can see why some would not like MOS, I've seen some valid reasons why for some of those cases, but imo, MOS was a well deserved and welcomed reboot to the Character and the film series especially since Returns was pretty much a Donner sequel to the first two original Superman films. I'm looking forward to BvS or whatever the official title will be LOL but looking forward even more to another stand alone Cav-El superman movie.

 

[Heretic]

I understand what you are saying and I can see your point. as far as Marvel not having to reboot their properties, I wouldn't necessarily say that. Fantastic four, Spiderman, Hulk and Punisher to name a few.
I can see why some would not like MOS, I've seen some valid reasons why for some of those cases, but imo, MOS was a well deserved and welcomed reboot to the Character and the film series especially since Returns was pretty much a Donner sequel to the first two original Superman films. I'm looking forward to BvS or whatever the official title will be LOL but looking forward even more to another stand alone Cav-El superman movie.

I mean Marvel as a studio. Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and Punisher were licensed out to other studios, before Marvel decided to make their own movies. As I mentioned in my post, those licensed characters have been done so poorly, repeatedly...or rebooted because the studios never thought things through to begin with...that I've lost interest in them. I saw Spider-Man fight Harry Osbourne a few years ago...and Harry died...so why am I being asked to watch that again just a few years later?

And yeah...I can see where some would welcome a new version of Superman. My issue with that is...if you want a character like that...well...there's thousands of characters that are ALREADY like that. Superman was one of the few who wasn't like that...so why make the greatest, most iconic hero of all just like everyone else? He stood above all the rest, rather than blend in...but by making him darker etc, they made him more marketable to the general audience, who really wouldn't be interested in the Big Blue Boy Scout that I prefer.

 

[jmc]

MoS was a step in the right direction, but it's execution was let down. You can say all you want that lots of superhero films get mixed receptions, but I don't think you can say as many people outright hated those movies which, at least from my experience and from what I've read critics and from others, seems to be the case for MoS. A lot of people seemed to genuinely dislike this movie, and it's not surprising as to why that may be the case. All the elements which people were use to having in a Superman movie where gone and replaced with something new, which is perfectly fine, but it's 100% execution dependant. If it's not the best possible execution then there's nothing else for people to grab onto, there's no traditional Superman elements in the movie to make up for the weaknesses in the overall film, as such for some people a weak film is made worse because the character they like isn't recognizable anymore. All of a sudden you've got a movie which has split audiences which isn't a good thing for a film trying to become a franchise.

I frankly don't blame Marvel for standing their ground, especially if Captain America 2 is as good as rumoured. I was initially pissed that they wouldn't budge because I didn't like the idea of a studio pencilling in release dates with no film attached to it, and yes I still think they are trying to bully WB out of position because they want to dictate that first week in May which is what I don't like. But, from a filmmaking perspective I can't argue they don't have a good reason to want to hold onto the date simply because of the mixed reception MoS got. If MoS was universally acclaimed and became a breakthrough movie of the genre and earned massive box office of $850+ million then I think it would have been a different story entirely. Instead it delivered a mixed reviews, more or less tried to be a different movie and made a healthy $600+ million. On top of that the director has never been consistent in his film making whilst Marvel have been for the most part. The addition of Batman and Wonder Woman muddies the waters a little bit but would probably get WB a win and the bragging rights, that said I don't think the margin would be as big as some would think, I can easily see a situation whereby MoS2 gets belted critically whereby Cap America 3 gets rave reviews, and if that happens things swing to Marvel's favour. Add all this together and staying on that date is a calculated risk.

 

[zeroapoc]

But I suppose I will just never be able to grasp the whole "Marvel or DC is better because of _______"

What's so hard to grasp? Some people like what one company is doing way more than the other. What I find hard to grasp is this notion that we're all supposed to equally be big fans of both and never state a preference.

 

[DarkKnight]

What's so hard to grasp? Some people like what one company is doing way more than the other. What I find hard to grasp is this notion that we're all supposed to equally be big fans of both and never state a preference.

Zeroapoc theres nothing wrong with stating your preference to which one you like more thats not what i said. Im more of a fan of DC but enjoy alot of Marvel characters and movies as well. As a DC fan i can even agree about some of the horrible DC fims but imo Man of Steel was not one of them. In fact MOS is one of my all time fav superhero movies and so is Ironman (only the first Ironman i didnt like 2 or 3).
If you read back some pages here in this thread you will see why i stated i couldnt grasp some of this marvel vs DC stuff because of what i called some "ignorant" comments. Such as some people stating that they know for a fact that BvS is going to suck just because they didnt like some casting choices or for whatever reasons. While i can understand why the movie might not appeal to them because they are unhappy with these choices or whatever reasons. One cannot state for fact a movie is going to suck when there has been absolutely noinfo on the film other than casting. No trailers, no teasers, not pictures nothing. I guess what gets to me.
Anyway, im looking forward to BvS, GOTG and DOFP. Cap america TWS i could car less about honestly. Why? Not cause i think its gonna be a bad movie but because i thought the first Cap. movie was boring and a snorefest, so the sequel does nothing for me.

Regards to all,
DK

 

[Heretic]

I was convinced that Man of Steel would be the best Superhero movie I'd ever see...until about a half hour through it when reality started sinking in and excitement turned to disappointment which turned to rage. The fact that I didn't like MoS, combined with what I feel are highly questionable casting choices, has already soured me on the film. MoS had great trailers...so I won't be impressed if BvS has great trailers.

I actually didn't really love the first Cap movie. It was kind of dull. However, I get a feeling that Cap 2 is KEY in the future of the Marvel universe. They took their least exciting character and are giving him such an important film that when we see it we're going to walk away STOKED about a part 3.

 

[mclay18]

I frankly don't blame Marvel for standing their ground, especially if Captain America 2 is as good as rumoured. I was initially pissed that they wouldn't budge because I didn't like the idea of a studio pencilling in release dates with no film attached to it, and yes I still think they are trying to bully WB out of position because they want to dictate that first week in May which is what I don't like. But, from a filmmaking perspective I can't argue they don't have a good reason to want to hold onto the date simply because of the mixed reception MoS got. If MoS was universally acclaimed and became a breakthrough movie of the genre and earned massive box office of $850+ million then I think it would have been a different story entirely. Instead it delivered a mixed reviews, more or less tried to be a different movie and made a healthy $600+ million. On top of that the director has never been consistent in his film making whilst Marvel have been for the most part. The addition of Batman and Wonder Woman muddies the waters a little bit but would probably get WB a win and the bragging rights, that said I don't think the margin would be as big as some would think, I can easily see a situation whereby MoS2 gets belted critically whereby Cap America 3 gets rave reviews, and if that happens things swing to Marvel's favour. Add all this together and staying on that date is a calculated risk.

Very well said, especially the bolded area. And considering WB's reactive moves lately, they'll move it up if CA:TWS hits it big that weekend. It would not surprise me in the least. Of course, they could always move it back to July 15 or July 22nd.

 

[EML420]

Im super late on this but how is this even happening seriously its bad for business there opening weekends are going to cannabilze each other. Cap by 2016 will be what 2 movies deep Cap 2 and Avengers 2 so that should help the box office. One of them has to blink.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I'm definitely going to go see it, but yeah. At the end of the day its a Zack Snyder movie written by David Goyer and a sequel to a problematic film. There is not a whole lot of expectation there for it to be a great movie.

Not anymore.

They threw his script out in favor of a new one by Chris Terrio, Ben Affleck's guy.

So there you go.

 

[Hush]

I was convinced that Man of Steel would be the best Superhero movie I'd ever see...until about a half hour through it when reality started sinking in and excitement turned to disappointment which turned to rage.

Just out of curiosity what didn't you like in those first 30 mins? I know the movie is divisive but from what I can tell those first 30 mins are considered the best parts of the film. I only ask because a lot of people were clamoring for a whole movie on Krypton after that.

 

[brainchild81]

I think WB will move BvS since they can't to have their biggest superhero movie to be affected by any major competition, and Cap 3 will definitely hurt it's box office even if it can't win the fight. And Marvel is willing to take some collateral damages since it's not Avengers but the third Cap movie. WB has more to lose in this fight, so it makes sense for them to move first.

BvS will win, but there consequences, Cap 3 will suck up part of the box office earnings and WB will be the one in trouble, Marvel has other properties and Cap 3 is probably the end of this trilogy, BvS is WB's major power play, they can't afford to have it perform less than expected

BvS will probably make more money based on the brands alone but Cap3 is not dead in the water. Winter Soldier is looking to release to critical acclaim next month if the early word of mouth holds up. Plus it'll be the first Post-Avengers 2 movie which was huge for Iron Man 3. Cap3 has more than a fighting chance and WB should move since they can't afford to blow a movie that's setting the stage for their expanded universe.

Ditto to these. WB IMO had no reason to pick this date to begin with & they have even less reason to stick w/it now that KF says Marvel ain't moving.

 

[Dark Raven]

After Cap 2, I think WB will have to rethink this date now. They will definitely have to up their game, not just in terms of action (we had plenty of that in MOS) but storytelling and character development. Cap 2 is how to make a comic book movie. People will go in remembering how this film was like compared with all its rave reviews compared to MOS, which doesn't seem to have as much universal appeal.

Of course, the big thing in WB's favour is the combination of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman on screen for the first time.

But do people stick with a tried and tested franchise which they know is probably going to be awesome or something untested which may not live up to expectations?

 

[Destructus86]

I was convinced that Man of Steel would be the best Superhero movie I'd ever see...until about a half hour through it when reality started sinking in and excitement turned to disappointment which turned to rage. The fact that I didn't like MoS, combined with what I feel are highly questionable casting choices, has already soured me on the film. MoS had great trailers...so I won't be impressed if BvS has great trailers.

I actually didn't really love the first Cap movie. It was kind of dull. However, I get a feeling that Cap 2 is KEY in the future of the Marvel universe. They took their least exciting character and are giving him such an important film that when we see it we're going to walk away STOKED about a part 3.

I wanted to like MoS. I really did. Badly....but I just couldn't. :/ Everything felt so subdued. The colors were subdued, the characters emotions were subdued...It just felt like part of the life was sucked out of it.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

After Cap 2, I think WB will have to rethink this date now. They will definitely have to up their game, not just in terms of action (we had plenty of that in MOS) but storytelling and character development. Cap 2 is how to make a comic book movie. People will go in remembering how this film was like compared with all its rave reviews compared to MOS, which doesn't seem to have as much universal appeal.

Of course, the big thing in WB's favour is the combination of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman on screen for the first time.

But do people stick with a tried and tested franchise which they know is probably going to be awesome or something untested which may not live up to expectations?

So you're saying every comic book movie should have an under-developed villain, with a great opportunity to be a great rivalry that sorely misses the mark? I apologize but I like my villains to have some sense of reason behind their actions or motive, zombified or not Bucky was given little to no development and "saved" for the sequel.

I say no thanks to that there was no reason that they couldn't have cut out 5 minutes of mindless action for a little more story to really make that climax worth what they set out to do with it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I decided to give IM3 another try. Oh Lawd! So awful.

 

[samsnee]

Yeah that movie wasn't horrible but the whole wasn't as good as individual parts, and I'm not even one who was offended by the Mandarin reveal.

 

[jmc]

After Cap 2, I think WB will have to rethink this date now. They will definitely have to up their game, not just in terms of action (we had plenty of that in MOS) but storytelling and character development. Cap 2 is how to make a comic book movie. People will go in remembering how this film was like compared with all its rave reviews compared to MOS, which doesn't seem to have as much universal appeal.

Of course, the big thing in WB's favour is the combination of Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman on screen for the first time.

But do people stick with a tried and tested franchise which they know is probably going to be awesome or something untested which may not live up to expectations?

I'm starting to think given that WS is about to break all April records that Marvel may in fact be the one to move. They can use the success of WS on this release date to justify moving Cap 3 to April without it looking as if WB pushed them out of the way.