Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

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This is a very silly situation for 2 big comic films. If they really do open on the same day I'll watch neither on opening day. Not going to encourage this kind of behaviour.

To be fair Marvel didn't invite this "behavior".

All I know is my money is going to Cap 3 opening weekend if this ridiculous scenario actually plays out ...... especially after how good CA:TWS was and the massive let down I experienced watching MoS.
 
I can see where they were going with Cap 1...kind of an Indiana Jones feel. But ultimately it felt too light and forgettable. I don't think Marvel really maximized the fact that their characters are all quite different (the point of my argument in this thread). Neither Thor movie feels quite epic enough. The comedy that was added in reshoots for Thor 2 just about derailed a film that should feel more like Lord of the Rings than Iron Man. Cap 2 hit just the right balance though, and was so superior to Man of Steel that Snyder should be embarrassed. I have little doubt that Cap 3 will be a better film than Superman/Batman/Whoever Else They Decide To Rush Into The Film...but Cap is going to lose the battle if it happens.
 
To be fair Marvel didn't invite this "behavior".

All I know is my money is going to Cap 3 opening weekend if this ridiculous scenario actually plays out ...... especially after how good CA:TWS was and the massive let down I experienced watching MoS.
True.

They were there 1st and they shouldn't have to move (but I'd personally rather they did anyway if WB/DC didn't). It will definitely hurt both films even if one is significantly bigger than the other. I think before TWS came out Cap would have been destroyed but now there must be doubts in the minds of the WB execs. My money is definitely going to both films, but this situation makes it looks like some stubborn idiot internet fanboys suddenly took over release date scheduling.
 
I have a feeling WB/DC will change their release date. They've got more than enough time to find an excuse to do so but for now, this is perhaps their best marketing strategy to promote the film; piggy backing on Marvel.
 
I think if they focus on the Superman/Batman thing they'll have a pretty amazing marketing strategy anyway. :yay:

Although of course I really hope they move to later in the summer.
 
I'm not DC fan, so the over reliance on Batman and Superman bores me. I'm honestly curious if the DC fans here are satisfied simply getting those two characters repeatedly?
 
I want to see all the other main DC heroes now but this could be the springboard for that like Iron Man was for Marvel. If Green Lantern had worked out I think they'd already be well on their way. No reason not to have a Superman & Batman film every few years as well as long as they start on some of their other top characters. Personally for me, an ongoing JL is the big hope.
 
DC/WB is on record that they have no firm plans for the future beyond Batman/Superman...so I don't think we should be holding our breath for a Blue Beetle movie.
 
The success of the film will determine what plans they make. I'd expect they want to do at least a Flash & Wonder Woman solo in the not too far future.
 
I can see where they were going with Cap 1...kind of an Indiana Jones feel. But ultimately it felt too light and forgettable. I don't think Marvel really maximized the fact that their characters are all quite different (the point of my argument in this thread). Neither Thor movie feels quite epic enough. The comedy that was added in reshoots for Thor 2 just about derailed a film that should feel more like Lord of the Rings than Iron Man. Cap 2 hit just the right balance though, and was so superior to Man of Steel that Snyder should be embarrassed. I have little doubt that Cap 3 will be a better film than Superman/Batman/Whoever Else They Decide To Rush Into The Film...but Cap is going to lose the battle if it happens.

Define lose. If it's opening box office, maybe. But I'd be surprised if Cap 3's budget is close to BvS. I agree with you that they haven't gone epic enough with Thor. They need to stop trying to shoehorn in Earth scenes and really embrace a movie that takes place completely off Earth.
 
Define lose. If it's opening box office, maybe. But I'd be surprised if Cap 3's budget is close to BvS. I agree with you that they haven't gone epic enough with Thor. They need to stop trying to shoehorn in Earth scenes and really embrace a movie that takes place completely off Earth.

Lose would be coming in second on opening weekend. If this battle happens, the media etc will be hyping one movie as the winner and the other as the loser at some point Saturday, before the weekend is half over.

Obviously, the real story will be told when the movies are done at the box office and they determine whether or not they made any money.

Superman/Batman will likely make more at the box office than Cap 3, but as you mentioned...whether or not it's profitable will be another story.
 
Lose would be coming in second on opening weekend. If this battle happens, the media etc will be hyping one movie as the winner and the other as the loser at some point Saturday, before the weekend is half over.

Obviously, the real story will be told when the movies are done at the box office and they determine whether or not they made any money.

Superman/Batman will likely make more at the box office than Cap 3, but as you mentioned...whether or not it's profitable will be another story.

I agree. It's all about the perception. But I think Cap will be more profitable. DC will probably sell more toys though.

I want BvS to be good. But I just feel it will be another dour, self-important, humorless 2 hrs.
 
In terms of losing, opening and final box office are what matter. If the fight was on budget/profitability then some cheap horror/romcom would beat them both.
 
The selfish part of me wants the film to succeed as I want DC to explore their more viable properties. Sandman. Del Toro's Dark Universe film.

DC has an entire mythology - the 'Dark/Vertigo'-that is completely different than what Marvel has and will be committing to screen for a while, yet they worry about making a team up film to lead to another teamup, in their grand attempt to one-up Marvel. The Sandman is an untapped goldmine that could outgross the Potter films and usher in a golden age for the studio; sure, Marvel has Midnight Sons, but the adaptations of Ghost Rider nearly poisoned the well for that character. So, while I absolutely hate how they've nearly ruined Superman, I'm invested in this series, as I want to see the Dark Properties hit the screen. Their birth is contingent on the success of the film.

So, I hope it grosses as much as it needs for them to greenlight the other productions. I don't want it to fail; the thought of another period of development hell on their end terrifies me. I want to see the Sandman (and del Toro's love letter to their Dark properties,) adapted before I die or grow senile.
 
I don't know if BvS success means they'll take more chances. It will mean that they think only Batman can help boost their box office.
 
I've always found the whole "not killing/being a Boy Scout makes Superman unique" statement to be a bit misleading, to be honest.

While Superman was certainly the first modern superhero, before long, ALL superheroes featured these traits, not just Superman. And many of them conformed to this standard for the same reasons (the comics code, etc).

Even now, Superman is not the only superhero who have somewhat lofty morals in comics; in fact, that's something that most superheroes arguably have going for them.

I understand that the idea that Superman "inspires us to be better", "he's the best of us" is poetic to people. These concepts are also, if we're being honest, not remotely ideas unique to only Superman. Rather, they are concepts that almost every superhero out there has going for them in one form or another.

And even then, I get it, its something that's been deemed inherent to Superman over the years, but the reality of what's in Superman comics tells a different story. And I'm not just talking about him killing. Superman was created as an example of someone good who used violence when necessary. Thus was born the vigilante superhero. That is, at its base, the core of his concept. But how can he be the "best of us" if he's also an example of the "worst" of us?

As a character, Superman has changed with the rest of comics. When MOST heroes were being portrayed as do-gooders with lofty morals, etc, Superman was too, and he was, at one time, the most popular of them, and arguably may still be.

In more recent decades, when comics started to get darker, more introspective, and more like post-modern literature, and heroes and characters became more flawed, Superman quite naturally followed suit. I don't agree with the idea that somehow he should be "immune" to these changes.

He was never "the only really good guy" in the comics anyway. This just seems to be certain peoples' perception. But its not the reality of his mythology, or in relation to other superhero mythologies.
 
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I don't know if BvS success means they'll take more chances. It will mean that they think only Batman can help boost their box office.

That's obviously what detractors will think(if they aren't already). Even though MOS made more than batman begins. And the DvD's are doing gangbusters.
 
I would expect it to make more than Begins since it used the Nolan name in its marketing. Nolan wasn't a household name when Begins came out.
 
It had Nolan's name boosting it and 3D/ IMAX, it's obvious that it would make much better than Batman Begins
 
I've always found the whole "not killing/being a Boy Scout makes Superman unique" statement to be a bit misleading, to be honest.

While Superman was certainly the first modern superhero, before long, ALL superheroes featured these traits, not just Superman. And many of them conformed to this standard for the same reasons (the comics code, etc).

Even now, Superman is not the only superhero who have somewhat lofty morals in comics; in fact, that's something that most superheroes arguably have going for them.

I understand that the idea that Superman "inspires us to be better", "he's the best of us" is poetic to people. These concepts are also, if we're being honest, not remotely ideas unique to only Superman. Rather, they are concepts that almost every superhero out there has going for them in one form or another.

And even then, I get it, its something that's been deemed inherent to Superman over the years, but the reality of what's in Superman comics tells a different story. And I'm not just talking about him killing. Superman was created as an example of someone good who used violence when necessary. Thus was born the vigilante superhero. That is, at its base, the core of his concept. But how can he be the "best of us" if he's also an example of the "worst" of us?

As a character, Superman has changed with the rest of comics. When MOST heroes were being portrayed as do-gooders with lofty morals, etc, Superman was too, and he was, at one time, the most popular of them, and arguably may still be.

In more recent decades, when comics started to get darker, more introspective, and more like post-modern literature, and heroes and characters became more flawed, Superman quite naturally followed suit. I don't agree with the idea that somehow he should be "immune" to these changes.

He was never "the only really good guy" in the comics anyway. This just seems to be certain peoples' perception. But its not the reality of his mythology, or in relation to other superhero mythologies.

So, you're saying that Superman created the template that every other character followed...and then flushed it away to follow the trend. Superman should be above that.

As far as him using violence. American soldiers are considered our greatest heroes...yet their job is to invade countries, kill bad guys etc. Superman uses violence, but because he is all-powerful and could easily overthrow every government on earth, he restricts himself and has a strict policy against killing (that is tossed aside by DC whenever they want him to).
 
No...that isn't what I was saying.

What I was saying, I said.

Which is, in effect, that when Superman became someone with a strict, "no killing" policy, so did all the other superheroes.

I don't think you quite grasped my point, because you're still missing it. Even now, Superman isn't the only hero with a "strict policy" against killing. That is something that is fairly common among superheroes in general. It does not, in itself, make him unique.
 
I would expect it to make more than Begins since it used the Nolan name in its marketing. Nolan wasn't a household name when Begins came out.

It had Nolan's name boosting it and 3D/ IMAX, it's obvious that it would make much better than Batman Begins

Whatever the reason, the results are it can find it's success with out batman.
If james cameron was directing and it turns out he was the reason the film makes 2 billion dollars, that still means superman can find success without batman...going forward.

MOS had/has it's reasons thus wb can make money out of superman with or without batman, as per the original post.
 
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