Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[mclay18]

Predict future news story: WB announces it has pushed up the US and global release date to April 29 to give its millions (and millions!) of fans around the world the ability to experience MOS2 at the same time.

Quote WB spokesman talking about "allowing us to leverage synergies in our marketing and logistics, providing a better experience for our audience" etc. etc. Problem solved, Marvel breathes easier too.

I think it's more likely to move up the U.S. release date to April 22... WB's past big releases vary between day-and-date worldwide, or stagger it between U.S. and Europe.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Iceman]

Too lazy to post the link to all the cbm films WB has distributed that dont' feature batman....

True that there have been many films but the one's people really want are DC's best characters after the big 2. Need to see the likes of Flash & Wonder Woman soon. I wish GL had worked out. Things would be so different now.

 

[Marvin]

True that there have been many films but the one's people really want are DC's best characters after the big 2. Need to see the likes of Flash & Wonder Woman soon. I wish GL had worked out. Things would be so different now.

When this current craze runs out it's welcome and Marvel doesn't have the demand to flirt with putting out 4 films a year starring Black Widow and Strange and whomever else...most likely resulting in their permanent move to TV. WB will still be making Batman and(now that they have their rights secured) superman films. Their will always be that audience, cbm craze or otherwise.

This current craze does allow for WB to see value in gambling on their smaller characters though.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

That's offensive. Resulting in permanent move to TV?

Why only Supes and Bats?

 

[Marvin]

That's offensive. Resulting in permanent move to TV?

Why only Supes and Bats?

I don't think you should be personally 'offended' by any of that.

Secondly, when I say move to TV, I mean when the current audiences lose their interest in these things, as they often do with any new big thing(see every studio green lighting alien invasion destruction movies during that recent craze), marvel who has already made big movies in the 'netflix' world and Disney owned cable networks, will shift their output and designs to there. You'll know this is upon us, when suggesting 4 films a year with various C-listers will no longer land in the trades with as it does today.
That is, all of this right now is possible due to how 'in' this stuff is currently. I don't think that will last. I do see them taking all that they have going and moving into the growing TV market as they already have begun to.
I also predict this will start when whey lose RDJ(and evans).
If cowboys and westerns were in right now, I'd be saying the same thing.

As for Supes and Bats, it's because they have been shown to be self reliant of crazes and transcendent in a way. You wouldn't see the GoG or antman or even cap and thor to a degree without the successful momentum marvel has going right now. At the very least you'd see things like Ironman as "huge risks". The other various studios may be about taking expensive cbm risks(see fox) during various crazes but WB doesn't seem to be so much so about that.
Batman and Superman strike me as always viable in this regard as far as WB is concerned. So they will always be making them regardless of the market landscape and not simply because of it. Sadly this goes for their WB's own B and C listers who have thus far been relegated to WB tv and animation. Batman and Superman have been viable since back in the day and will no doubt be so going forward, even in the face of their various missteps.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I don't think you should be personally 'offended' by any of that.

Secondly, when I say move to TV, I mean when the current audiences loses it's interest in these things(as they often do with any new big thing), marvel who has already made big movies in the 'netflix' world and Disney owned cable networks, will shift their output and designs to there. You'll know this is upon us, when suggesting 4 films a year with various C-listers will no longer land in the trades with as it does today.
That is, all of this right now is possible due to how 'in' this stuff is currently. I don't think that will last. I do see them taking all that they have going and moving into the growing TV market as they already have begun to.
I also predict this will start when whey lose RDJ(and evans).

As for Supes and Bats,

I'm not personally offended.

And I see...

 

[Hush]

I am not sure I agree with Marvin, at all.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I don't see Marvel slowing down anytime soon. Audiences have accepted a new Spiderman, they will accept new Iron Mans/Thors/Capt.Americas. And Superman has had 3 different actors in the role over the past 30 years with the 2nd real outing not being a huge success. Batman thus far is the only one who will outlive all them all.

 

[The Endless]

Iron Man was a C-Lister. His last film grossed 1.2 billion dollars. The Winter Soldier will get close if not surpass MoS's gross. Thor already came in touching distance. Just think about that for a second. Captain America and Thor films giving a Superman film a run for it's money.

If Marvel can do that, they'll keep these "c-listers" coming and it wouldn't surprise me if another character becomes a major hit. Dr Strange or whoever it will be. They won't stop making films.

 

[Marvin]

The Cap and Thor sequels already gave a superman film a run for it's money(the good majority of superman films prior to MOS). They already gave a good amount of the Batman films a run for their money as well. Any brand is vulnerable to being in a bad situation, I don't think everyone appreciates this. That is the idea that a brand is only as 'strong' as it's last few installments left it.
I'm hoping Xmen DOFP cements this theory once and for.

Who would have thought an 80's toy line would be out grossing Terminator or matrix or all the films that sit below 1.12bill or a disney princess films above that....anyone that appreciates the presence of circumstance probably.

What's this about cap2 out grossing MOS? That would be interesting. If only to say something about the viability of April(when it's not full of hits) in the studio schedule.

In Hollywood, trends come and go(not always quickly), to not see the current trend we are in is to cover ones eyes ears and nose. I personally see only 3 timeless brands in the current landscape that will go one inspite of the current thing. I would add ironman to that but I'd need to see how it fars once RDJ moves on and when it's not timed to look like the direct sequel to not IM2.

 

[Iceman]

When this current craze runs out it's welcome and Marvel doesn't have the demand to flirt with putting out 4 films a year starring Black Widow and Strange and whomever else...most likely resulting in their permanent move to TV. WB will still be making Batman and(now that they have their rights secured) superman films. Their will always be that audience, cbm craze or otherwise.

This current craze does allow for WB to see value in gambling on their smaller characters though.

Talk of crazes was more relevant before the expansion of the international box office and large parts of the world who absolutely love franchise sequels no matter the quality. The more entrenched a franchise the more secure it seems to get overseas even as the US audience gets fatigued. The likes of Pirates & Transformers are still getting bigger abroad with every outing long after you'd have thought people would have got sick of them and most people say each of them only had one good film each.

These Marvel films due to their connection are making much more than they likely would as one off standalone films so I don't think the past box office history where things like this have come and gone is as relevant today. That overseas box office will keep getting bigger and bigger while the US only grows roughly in line with inflation. And superhero films are massively popular in those markets that are growing fastest. I call no craze..get back to me if I'm proven wrong.

 

[Marvin]

I see what you are saying about an oversea market sustaining a particular brand/property once it's got it's footing however I was distinctly talking about crazes in the other sense. That is the craze of 'westerns' for example. If two studios made some kick ass western with huge hollywood stars reaching into the billions with grosses. The other studios, as they often do, would find a way to jump into that, for this is a business as one wouldn't expect touch screens to stay exclusive to one company when that much money is up for grabs.

So we then have a Western craze, not so similar to that of the secure superhero craze/trend we are in right now. It would pass and we'd move into the next one. However whilst we are in that craze the studio that is complacent with their supremacy(if you will) will talk our ears off with all their spin off and tie in plans and we'll lap it up cause it's all so hot and interesting within that craze that it's bound to be relevant and successful. Now that same sort of talk outside of the craze and well...you need the stars back and main properties.

What you are talking about is something like pirates or TF into themselves as brands now being secure and sustained overseas(though I'd argue TF is plenty sustained here with it's new star). I think a hand full of marvel properties might reach this, though I doubt they will if they keep landing sub 700mill unlike TF/Pirates did out the jump, but I don't think the whole machination of kevin feige will. Him talking about plans for black widow and doctor strange get alot of trade action in this current world. Tens years ago, no 20 years into the future maybe. Though talk of a new batman/superman/spiderman would land hard always...imo

As for which properties themselves will keep on keeping on, I suppose you raise an interesting point. Perhaps some of these marvel ones have touched enough hearts internationally to which one can surmise they will always be viable. Maybe, though I personally don't see pirates lasting without Depp, not the way Bats/Supes(and Spidey) can and have been relevant for over 50 years regardless of actors. Again, we'll see how it goes post RDJ...

 

[Ms. Marvel]

I see what you are saying about an oversea market sustaining a particular brand/property once it's got it's footing however I was distinctly talking about crazes in the other sense. That is the craze of 'westerns' for example. If two studios made some kick ass western with huge hollywood stars reaching into the billions with grosses. The other studios, as they often do, would find a way to jump into that, for this is a business as one wouldn't expect touch screens to stay exclusive to one company when that much money is up for grabs.

So we then have a Western craze, not so similar to that of the secure superhero craze/trend we are in right now. It would pass and we'd move into the next one. However whilst we are in that craze the studio that is complacent with their supremacy(if you will) will talk our ears off with all their spin off and tie in plans and we'll lap it up cause it's all so hot and interesting within that craze that it's bound to be relevant and successful. Now that same sort of talk outside of the craze and well...you need the stars back and main properties.

What you are talking about is something like pirates or TF into themselves as brands now being secure and sustained overseas(though I'd argue TF is plenty sustained here with it's new star). I think a hand full of marvel properties might reach this, though I doubt they will if they keep landing sub 700mill unlike TF/Pirates did out the jump, but I don't think the whole machination of kevin feige will. Him talking about plans for black widow and doctor strange get alot of trade action in this current world. Tens years ago, no 20 years into the future maybe. Though talk of a new batman/superman/spiderman would land hard always...imo

As for which properties themselves will keep on keeping on, I suppose you raise an interesting point. Perhaps some of these marvel ones have touched enough hearts internationally to which one can surmise they will always be viable. Maybe, though I personally don't see pirates lasting without Depp, not the way Bats/Supes(and Spidey) can and have been relevant for over 50 years regardless of actors. Again, we'll see how it goes post RDJ...

Are you talking about Cap and Thor?

 

[Marvin]

Are you talking about Cap and Thor?

I'm talking about all their properties that have thus far done that.

 

[souvlaki]

I don't see Marvel slowing down anytime soon. Audiences have accepted a new Spiderman, they will accept new Iron Mans/Thors/Capt.Americas. And Superman has had 3 different actors in the role over the past 30 years with the 2nd real outing not being a huge success. Batman thus far is the only one who will outlive all them all.

I think it's naive to assume Robert Downey Jr. isn't a major factor in Iron Man's continued success. He is far more tied to Iron Man's relevance in modern pop culture than any of the actors that played Batman, Superman, or Spider-Man, so I doubt audiences will accept a new actor in that role like they do with a character like Batman or Superman who were always bigger than any actor that played them. If the Iron Man franchise continues to pull in cash after he leaves I will happily eat crow but that has yet to be seen. Even with a character like Spider-Man there was a ton of resistance to rebooting and a new actor. Accepted is hardly a term I would associate with the new Spider-Man. More mixed reaction than anything else.

 

[Silvermoth]

To be fair, there have been other actors play those characters and no one other than RDJ have had a go of iron man so I think it's more of a wait and see type situation

 

[dark_b]

http://badassdigest.com/2014/04/22/disney-could-blink-on-captain-america-3-release-date/

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Yeah now the rumor is they're going to move Star Wars in Cap's place to go head to head with B vs S, I hate to say it but I don't see anything else topping out Star Wars.

 

[Ajendo]

Disney are a bunch of crafty wizards.

 

[Lord]

Yeah now the rumor is they're going to move Star Wars in Cap's place to go head to head with B vs S, I hate to say it but I don't see anything else topping out Star Wars.

You're acting as if Star Wars was such a major franchise right now, Revenge of the Sith didn't even reach a billion and in the year it was released wasn't the highest grossing film. You can argue that it was due to the Prequels negative reception, but even from personal experience, i've been having trouble in showing the originals for new fans, they are actually starting to show their age.

With 3D boost and new interest Star Wars can get a billion in the box office, but i'm not sure it will reach Avengers numbers, which is something i see Batman vs Superman doing.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

You're acting as if Star Wars was such a major franchise right now, Revenge of the Sith didn't even reach a billion and in the year it was released wasn't the highest grossing film. You can argue that it was due to the Prequels negative reception, but even from personal experience, i've been having trouble in showing the originals for new fans, they are actually starting to show their age.

With 3D boost and new interest Star Wars can get a billion in the box office, but i'm not sure it will reach Avengers numbers, which is something i see Batman vs Superman doing.

It's still tougher competition for BvS than Cap 3.

 

[souvlaki]

Going against Cap 3 is one thing but there is zero chance WB will risk going head to head against Star Wars. If that pans out WB will move within a week of the announcement. With Cap 3 they are just playing a game of chicken at this point.

 

[dark_b]

Marvel is more smart than i imagined. using SW as a scare tactic to force WB out of that date. brilliant

 

[Bim]

Marvel is more smart than i imagined. using SW as a scare tactic to force WB out of that date. brilliant

It's Disney's version of a jedi mind trick

 

[SpideyFan866]

Marvel is more smart than i imagined. using SW as a scare tactic to force WB out of that date. brilliant

Considering that the SW film releasing in 2016 is a spinoff, not one of the main films, I doubt it will do much to frighten WB or force them out of that date.

Plus, moving Cap out in favor of a spinoff will just WB/BVS look like the winner in the situation, since its likely that a new SW ip would be overpowered by BVS.

Also, this has nothing to do with Marvel, so much as Disney (who owns Marvel).

Disney, unlike Marvel, doesn't give 2 ****s what DC is doing, nor standing their ground and keeping that date. more or less, playing a childish game of chicken for the sake of a meaningless feud.

Disney would much rather swap out Captain America in favor of a new ip at a later date. An ip that, while a spinoff of a popular franchise, could use the May release boost.

Plus, Disney is much more concerned with launching the new SW films, solidifying them for the long term, rather than worrying about how well Cap 3 will do when its a guaranteed success wherever it is.

Now of course, this is all still in the air at the House of Mouse, but its likely what I just described.