Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[Ms. Marvel]

Considering that the SW film releasing in 2016 is a spinoff, not one of the main films, I doubt it will do much to frighten WB or force them out of that date.

Plus, moving Cap out in favor of a spinoff will just WB/BVS look like the winner in the situation, since its likely that a new SW ip would be overpowered by BVS.

It would still hurt it.

 

[SpideyFan866]

It would still hurt it.

Barely.

 

[Iceman]

I see what you are saying about an oversea market sustaining a particular brand/property once it's got it's footing however I was distinctly talking about crazes in the other sense. That is the craze of 'westerns' for example. If two studios made some kick ass western with huge hollywood stars reaching into the billions with grosses. The other studios, as they often do, would find a way to jump into that, for this is a business as one wouldn't expect touch screens to stay exclusive to one company when that much money is up for grabs.

So we then have a Western craze, not so similar to that of the secure superhero craze/trend we are in right now. It would pass and we'd move into the next one. However whilst we are in that craze the studio that is complacent with their supremacy(if you will) will talk our ears off with all their spin off and tie in plans and we'll lap it up cause it's all so hot and interesting within that craze that it's bound to be relevant and successful. Now that same sort of talk outside of the craze and well...you need the stars back and main properties.

What you are talking about is something like pirates or TF into themselves as brands now being secure and sustained overseas(though I'd argue TF is plenty sustained here with it's new star). I think a hand full of marvel properties might reach this, though I doubt they will if they keep landing sub 700mill unlike TF/Pirates did out the jump, but I don't think the whole machination of kevin feige will. Him talking about plans for black widow and doctor strange get alot of trade action in this current world. Tens years ago, no 20 years into the future maybe. Though talk of a new batman/superman/spiderman would land hard always...imo

As for which properties themselves will keep on keeping on, I suppose you raise an interesting point. Perhaps some of these marvel ones have touched enough hearts internationally to which one can surmise they will always be viable. Maybe, though I personally don't see pirates lasting without Depp, not the way Bats/Supes(and Spidey) can and have been relevant for over 50 years regardless of actors. Again, we'll see how it goes post RDJ...

Ok I think I get what you're saying. I agree that the individual Marvel characters outside of Spider-man (including Iron Man) haven't yet reached into the long term public consciousness anywhere near as deeply as that of Superman & Batman who I think can persist permanently and can always eventually come back from a crap decade or so. But the connected universe is a newly tried thing and we can only guess as to how long the audience will stay interested in that concept and how long Marvel can keep it fresh enough for audiences to stay interested. There is some chance at least that audiences do want something like that where every film they view within the universe "counts" towards something bigger and the appeal of the universe becomes a very long term thing.

And while it goes on, however long for, the lesser projects hold an attraction within the connected universe that they might not otherwise hold. I think Avengers with a permanently rotating roster can be a very long term thing but the other characters will come and go and nothing wrong with making hay while the sun shines with the smaller projects and focusing back on the bankers when times are leaner. I think I might have gone off on a tangent there while discussing your points but..I ramble sometimes. t:

 

[Iceman]

Plus, moving Cap out in favor of a spinoff will just WB/BVS look like the winner in the situation

My view is that the ONLY winners in box office release date wars are the films who get a spot to themselves away from even half decent competition. Even if you have all the biggest films in your armoury as a studio it's still smarter to run every time and find spots to yourself where no film will open above $50m within 2 or more weeks of you. NO film should be ok with opening near something like BVS or Cap 3, even an Avengers or Star Wars...unless their execs are childish fanboys rather than out to make as much money as possible. I posted a while ago a load of the biggest ever films which didn't even open in summer.

(not arguing with you here btw, just using your sentence as a convenient jumping off point )

 

[titansupes]

I somehow doubt they even have an SW movie ready for 2016. Obviously, we aren't exactly swimming in information to be able to say one way or the other, but I bet the first spin-off will hit in May 2017. My 2016 is... I mean, that's only 5/6 months out from EpVII.

 

[DA_Champion]

I somehow doubt they even have an SW movie ready for 2016. Obviously, we aren't exactly swimming in information to be able to say one way or the other, but I bet the first spin-off will hit in May 2017. My 2016 is... I mean, that's only 5/6 months out from EpVII.

Assume that this would ve a delayed Epidode 7.

 

[titansupes]

Assume that this would ve a delayed Epidode 7.

Oh, EpVII for May 2016? Possibly, but I think that's pretty set where it it. *shrug*

 

[Marvin]

So I assume the marvel had the date first and Wb is playing the bully with the bigger property rhetoric will take a back seat now that Disney is possibly moving into the game with an entirely different property...

 

[DA_Champion]

So I assume the marvel had the date first and Wb is playing the bully with the bigger property rhetoric will take a back seat now that Disney is possibly moving into the game with an entirely different property...

Escalation.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah now the rumor is they're going to move Star Wars in Cap's place to go head to head with B vs S, I hate to say it but I don't see anything else topping out Star Wars.

They can't really postpone my SW again can they VII?

Also, where is this rumor coming from? I thought that just today they were talking about the December release date and how EP VIII and IX could possibly move back to May.

 

[DA_Champion]

They should postpone episode 7 if they need more time. Abrams had asked for more time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They should postpone episode 7 if they need more time. Abrams had asked for more time.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I can't take this anymore.

On a slightly more serious note, isn't that why they pushed the film to the end of 2015?

 

[Boom]

Do the old switcharoo.

Move Episode VII to May 2016. Batman vs Superman to December 2015.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Do the old switcharoo.

Move Episode VII to May 2016. Batman vs Superman to December 2015.

Boom coming up with the most amazing solutions. t:

 

[DA_Champion]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! I can't take this anymore.

On a slightly more serious note, isn't that why they pushed the film to the end of 2015?

I think that Abrams originally asked for even more time.

 

[souvlaki]

Well, for starters the rumor started on **************.com (edit: lol, forgot that website is blocked... comic book movie dot com) and to add to that the quote was taken out of context. Here is the actual quote:

Are release dates locked for the 2nd and 3rd films in trilogy?

"No, we're not sure yet. We may revert -- the Star Wars dates have been May -- and we may revert to that at some point. But it depends on the readiness of the screenplays and where we are. But this first one will be December 18th of 2015. So we'll start with that and then we'll see."

In other words episodes 8 and 9 may get a May release date but 7 is still on track for December 2015. In other news though:

Horn was asked about the current release date stand-off between Disney & Marvel Studios' "Captain America 3" and Warner Bros.' "Batman vs. Superman" which are both slated to hit on May 6th 2016.

Variety reporter Brent Lang was on hand and tweeted the following quote from Horn about it: "We'll see. We're struggling with it."

Looks like Marvel is blinking first.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thanks souvlaki. That is what I thought.

 

[souvlaki]

Yeah now I see why the link to that site is blocked. I am posting a quote from their article simply for educational purposes here:

But most interestingly, Horn says that, depending on script readiness, we could actually see the trilogy revert to their original May release dates. That means that a Star Wars film (if Disney/Lucasfilm stick to their "one a year" mandate anyway) could very well open the same month as Marvel's Captain America threequel and Zack Snyder's Batman VS. Superman themed sequel to Man Of Steel.

Now read the actual quote I posted above. Either the person who wrote it has the reading comprehension abilities of a five year old or they are intentionally deceiving people. Either way that website needs to disappear off the face of the earth because all it does is spread bull**** rumors.

 

[mclay18]

Thanks to CA:TWS crossing over $600M worldwide -- with MOS' $668M worldwide total in its sights -- insiders say Marvel Studios isn't budging.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/captain-america-winter-soldier-sails-698422

Hmm... with that in mind, I think WB will blink.

 

[Hurm...]

Nice publicity stunt if both keep this up long enough.

 

[Raiden]

Thanks to CA:TWS crossing over $600M worldwide -- with MOS' $668M worldwide total in its sights -- insiders say Marvel Studios isn't budging.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/captain-america-winter-soldier-sails-698422

Hmm... with that in mind, I think WB will blink.

I think TWS will definitely surpass MOS' WW gross now.

 

[mclay18]

THR says that CA:TWS' worldwide total will be over $700M once it winds down, so it will surpass MOS once all is said and done.

You'd figure with the positive WOM on CA:TWS, the domestic gross would be higher than $205M right now. It's going to close around $250M or so, which is a huge bump from the first. Now, if Avengers 2 winds up as good or even better, then Cap 3 is going to open even bigger.

For those saying "let them open on the same day!", the market can't sustain two films opening over $100M on the same weekend -- and it would be unprecedented. (Then again The Avengers opened with $207M on its own, so it's possible!) At best I can see both opening over $70M-$80M apiece, but that wouldn't look good for either movie or their distributors. WB has time on their side, and they can use Marvel Studios' strategy against them.... again.

I think BvS has an edge over Cap 3, in that the casting is having people talking... which if history serves correctly, benefits the movie's opening weekend. Fans who say "MOS sucks, I'm not seeing it!" -- they'll be there anyway, mark my words. There's a similar novelty that sparked people to turn out for The Avengers, and BvS will have that, plus the hotly-debated casting of Affleck and Eisenberg as Bruce and Lex.

Now if BvS turns out to be a decent movie, and criticizing Affleck is unfounded, WB could have the first event movie of 2016. If they move it up three, even two weeks to early or mid-April, it's just better for everyone.

 

[TheVileOne]

2016 is 2 years away. Someone will move sooner or later.

 

[mclay18]

FilmNerdJamie seems to think since CA:TWS will close with $250M domestic, that Disney and Marvel Studios will move Cap 3 to April due to the empty landscape (and allow BvS to take the May 2016 date). Even with the positive reception, critically- and audience-wise, TWS isn't a IM or Avengers-sized powerhouse Stateside.

$250M domestic and $700M worldwide isn't something to scoff at, but I think he's on to something here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Every time I check this thread, I hope that someone has made the move so this can be done with.