Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[Octoberist]

What is upsetting is that, at one time, EL May was really good at what he did. And now he's in the aging rocker mode.

 

[mclay18]

What is upsetting is that, at one time, EL May was really good at what he did. And now he's in the aging rocker mode.

True. This is the guy that scooped Brandon Routh, Christian Bale, and Heath Ledger's casting. And now... he's nowhere at the point he was a few years ago.

He had something when he mentioned Ben Affleck being courted for Batman last year, but he NEVER followed up on it. That irritates me. If you have a good track record for scoops like Umberto did, that one was a whopper that should've been looked into.

 

[Boom]

I don't have a big problem with El May but man, that is the obvious damn thing in the world to break.

Is he seriously taking credit for breaking a scoop that every single one of us knew was going to happen anyway?

Good for you, Eh Maybe. I guess .

 

[jmc]

Exactly. It baffles me when people say "this is good for Marvel as they have nothing to lose and it will stop people from taking their release dates again". Both movies will hurt each other but BvS is likely to make more money and there will be many articles talking about it. That would not be a good look for Marvel/Disney at all.

Marvel can 'take a hit' and keep going is the biggest load of bull that's come out of the comic community in quite sometime. Anyone who actually thinks Marvel want to take a hit needs to have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

 

[Boom]

Trends are all about public perception. And much like sports, all it would take is a shift in momentum and the game could be completely changed. Superman vs Batman coming out and beating CA3 at the box office is not good news for Marvel. I don't care how you try to spin it. And with news of a Justice League movie coming soon after? Suddenly people are talking about Justice League and DC.

Feige and company would be foolish not to see the inherent danger in this scenario.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

Both sides are foolish if they don't see the inherent danger in this scenario.

 

[Boom]

Both sides are foolish if they don't see the inherent danger in this scenario.

Absolutely.

For the record, I honestly don't care who moves anymore. I'm just tired of the seemingly unanimous notion across the internet that, "Oh, well WB obviously has to be the one to move, because Marvel can take the hit."

Nonsense. Again, no profitable business even entertains the idea of willingly losing out on potential profit. They just don't do it. These studios aren't run by egomaniacal, vindictive fans.

 

[Ms. Marvel]

The worst part is, if Marvel moves I know a lot of fans will complain about how "Marvel are letting WB walk all over them and are showing signs of weakness and will get bullied out of spots in the future etc etc". I don't see how that's any worse than the money Marvel (and WB) will lose if neither studio moves.

 

[samsnee]

I want them to release Amazing Spider-man 4 and X-Men: Apocalypse on the same day as BvS and CA3 so we can finally get a Hunger Games style box office battle. It will be a day that will live in comic book nerd infamy.

 

[jonathancrane]

I want them to release Amazing Spider-man 4 and X-Men: Apocalypse on the same day as BvS and CA3 so we can finally get a Hunger Games style box office battle. It will be a day that will live in comic book nerd infamy.

And would singlehandedly kill the comic book film.

 

[samsnee]

And would singlehandedly kill the comic book film.

Sometimes building a better world means tearing the old ones down.

 

[Visualiza]

Sometimes building a better world means tearing the old ones down.

Solid gold.

 

[Drizzle]

Hmm... with the recent news about Snyder officially committing to JL, I wonder if that'll sway the odds in WB's favor on keeping the May 2016 slot?

One thing's for sure, with the announcement of Justice League for 2018 and the probability of Avengers 3 hitting in 2018, the Marvel/DC showdown definitely will not stop at Cap 3 vs. Batman/Superman.

 

[SpideyFan866]

One thing's for sure, with the announcement of Justice League for 2018 and the probability of Avengers 3 hitting in 2018, the Marvel/DC showdown definitely will not stop at Cap 3 vs. Batman/Superman.

Actually, JLA is in 2017.

However, it is in the May 5th, 2017 slot. So yeah, same situation 2 years in a row.

 

[Destructus86]

The JLA movie just sounds awful. I mean great! Who needs time to develop an emotional connection to the characters when you can jam them all into a movie right away!

 

[Drizzle]

Actually, JLA is in 2017.

However, it is in the May 5th, 2017 slot. So yeah, same situation 2 years in a row.

After doing some research, it's actually inconclusive at this point. Some articles say it could bow in 2017, others say we won't see it before 2018. Nothing's set in stone.

 

[Iceman]

I hope we get JL in 17 and A3 in 18.

 

[Hurm...]

The JLA movie just sounds awful. I mean great! Who needs time to develop an emotional connection to the characters when you can jam them all into a movie right away!

While jamming them all into one movie can also work, like in the Star Trek series, it is a much riskier option than the Marvel model. In order to pull it off, you need a talented crew and I just don't feel confident with Zack Snyder leading the ship. He's not an Abrams.

 

[Boom]

The JLA movie just sounds awful. I mean great! Who needs time to develop an emotional connection to the characters when you can jam them all into a movie right away!

So no movie can develop an emotional connection to its characters within its 2.5 hour timeframe without being preceded by four films first? Someone should tell that to the hundreds of movies that have done just that over the course of Hollywood's history. It starts with competent screenwriting, and ends with directing and acting.

See, Marvel comes out and does its thing, and suddenly people act like ensemble films, emotional connections, and character development are impossible to achieve without doing it "the Marvel way." It's remarkably frustrating.

 

[Mr.M]

Marvel has no leg to stand on going up against those slated films. What MCU properties could honestly go in 2016 and 2017 that take precedence over a WF and JL film?

Cap 3 won't have the same intrigue that Batfleck would bring to audiences. You are talking about matching up the two most iconic superheroes of all time. Marvel simply doesn't have the brand name character that's ready to challenge that film in 2016.

2017 is no different. Dr Strange? Maybe another Hulk film? All Marvel can hope for is another B&R situation at WB/DC. Only an Avenger ensemble would have the brand recognition that would make WB think twice.

 

[Iceman]

Marvel has no leg to stand on going up against those slated films. What MCU properties could honestly go in 2016 and 2017 that take precedence over a WF and JL film?

Cap 3 won't have the same intrigue that Batfleck would bring to audiences. You are talking about matching up the two most iconic superheroes of all time. Marvel simply doesn't have the brand name character that's ready to challenge that film in 2016.

2017 is no different. Dr Strange? Maybe another Hulk film? All Marvel can hope for is another B&R situation at WB/DC. Only an Avenger ensemble would have the brand recognition that would make WB think twice.

Yes but this is obvious. Both of them have the most clout with their product that combines their biggest heroes and no solo film by either will compete against either of those two.

 

[Hurm...]

So no movie can develop an emotional connection to its characters within its 2.5 hour timeframe without being preceded by four films first? Someone should tell that to the hundreds of movies that have done just that over the course of Hollywood's history. It starts with competent screenwriting, and ends with directing and acting.

See, Marvel comes out and does its thing, and suddenly people act like ensemble films, emotional connections, and character development are impossible to achieve without doing it "the Marvel way." It's remarkably frustrating.

I agree, but do you think Snyder is the director to balance these characters properly? Honest question

 

[Boom]

I agree, but do you think Snyder is the director to balance these characters properly? Honest question

I'm interested to see what he can do with Affleck and Terrio's involvement. We will just have to leave it at that for now.

Snyder is hardly my first choice, but the script is my main concern. Let's see if Terrio can strike twice. If he can, then I don't see why Snyder couldn't knock it out of the park.

 

[mclay18]

After doing some research, it's actually inconclusive at this point. Some articles say it could bow in 2017, others say we won't see it before 2018. Nothing's set in stone.

I'm sure with Snyder shooting BvS and JL back-to-back, a 2017 release sounds feasible. I don't remember any franchises that did the two-films-at-once production strategy that have more than a year gap between them. It saves money, on a production level (they don't have to rebuild sets) and they can maximize the scheduling so that the actors can have breaks to rest or do other projects.

 

[jmc]

So no movie can develop an emotional connection to its characters within its 2.5 hour timeframe without being preceded by four films first? Someone should tell that to the hundreds of movies that have done just that over the course of Hollywood's history. It starts with competent screenwriting, and ends with directing and acting.

See, Marvel comes out and does its thing, and suddenly people act like ensemble films, emotional connections, and character development are impossible to achieve without doing it "the Marvel way." It's remarkably frustrating.

Thing people forget is there are a great many people that saw Avengers who in fact didn't see any of their solo films in the lead up. And Avengers still worked for them with good reason - the film was treated like it's own thing. Everyone who makes a brouhaha over the phase one films and their importance to the overall story in Avengers needs to take off the rose coloured glasses for a few minutes and see the film was made with everyone in mind, from those who watched every movie to those who had no clue the movies even existed.