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Underwhelmed. Looks like the FF are once again getting saddled by a relatively low experienced director. I hope he proves me wrong, but as of right now, I ain’t feeling it….
Low experienced?
He directed this episode 5 years ago…this is almost epic as the battle on Pelennor Fields in LotR
That was a cool scene.Low experienced?
He directed this episode 5 years ago…this is almost epic as the battle on Pelennor Fields in LotR
That sounds good, at least.I've heard his pitch was for the F4 to be explorers first and foremost
Low experienced?
He directed this episode 5 years ago…this is almost epic as the battle on Pelennor Fields in LotR
That sounds good, at least.
This seems like a very "Phase Four" type of pick.Pretty meh on this. Shakman's okay, but he's no Raimi. I was really hoping for an out-of-the-box pick.
Raimi was not good for Dr Strange, Scott's Dr Strange was better. Shakman might surprise us and Wandavision was good.Pretty meh on this. Shakman's okay, but he's no Raimi. I was really hoping for an out-of-the-box pick.
Low experienced?
He directed this episode 5 years ago…this is almost epic as the battle on Pelennor Fields in LotR
Different strokes, I guess. Raimi's Strange has been the only real bright spot in the MCU since BP; Derrickson's was aggressively mediocre & cookie cutter. Wandavision had a nice atheistic and likable actors, but there was a lot of repetition and not much "there" there.Raimi was not good for Dr Strange, Scott's Dr Strange was better. Shakman might surprise us and Wandavision was good.
Raimi was not good for Dr Strange, Scott's Dr Strange was better. Shakman might surprise us and Wandavision was good.
Wanda making bad decisions doesn't make the writing for her poor. People do terrible things in movies all the time, it doesn't mean the filmmakers screwed up. All of the seeds for her fall were planted in WandaVision; one could argue her turn in MoM could've happened more onscreen, but I also like how the film handled it and she just got to be evil for the entire runtime.Multiverse of Madness was a great summer, action, soft-horror film, a great Sam Raimi film and pretty entertaining Doctor Strange film and was shot wonderfully, but it wasn’t a great Wanda film and the script and pace let her down quite a bit. If it had been paced and written better and allowed a different writer to pen the script, preferably someone with a female voice and perspective, then it would have been a great film about a woman dealing with loss and how they healthily overcome that.
Raimi’s usual bag of horror film tricks ala Evil Dead, in regards to shots and editing, and his history of not being good at writing female characters really did not suit the character of Wanda as she was previously depicted in WandaVision. I was worried that she would fall into the typical “crazy powerful woman suffers great loss and goes crazy”, and those fears were mostly confirmed. Elizabeth Olsen, god bless her, gave such a great performance, but the script really let her character down. If and when her character comes back, they really need to get a director and writer who really gets that character.
If they do a Doctor Strange sequel, they need to get someone who can do all of the crazy ****e and good shot composition and all that stuff, but also someone who is really good at exploring characters, like a Leigh Wannell, Jordan Peele or someone of the like. I am still open to Sam Raimi directing another property within the MCU, one that is more suited to his style, just not another Doctor Strange film.
But, I digress. Back to the regular discussion.
Wanda making bad decisions doesn't make the writing for her poor. People do terrible things in movies all the time, it doesn't mean the filmmakers screwed up. All of the seeds for her fall were planted in WandaVision; one could argue her turn in MoM could've happened more onscreen, but I also like how the film handled it and she just got to be evil for the entire runtime.
My biggest pet peeve with the MCU is a lack of stakes and consequences, so it was nice to see someone finally have to pay for their mistakes. Now of course my newfound interest will completely evaporate if at some point she gets resurrected & redeemed, but this is Feige after all, and he never wants to allow the audience to feel uncomfortable for long. Tony was only allowed to die because Downey was ready to move on (or had grown too expensive), so I was honestly shocked that Raimi was allowed to get away with what he did.
And agree to disagree on Leigh Wannell; I thought Invisible Man was a mess.
To be honest this whole conversation in regards to Wanda in WV vs MoM reminds me of Luke in TFA vs TLJ. People get mad at what the characters do in the latter films when they're simply continuations of what was started in the former.
Wanda's selfish assaults on people started in WV, and even when she "reformed" she still did it again to Agatha. Just because the ending paid lip-service to her reform doesn't mean it was earned or supported by her actions over the course of the show. And even the post-credit showed she hadn't really changed. The Darkhold tempted her, sure, but I didn't see any evidence of direct mind control. You could say her lingering grief was a retread of WV, but that was what the show built up as her next step.
I was fine with her killing people as the escalation made sense to me (otherwise it'd just be a blatant rehash of her show), but if you had an issue with it that's totally fair.
On principle, I don’t disagree about characters having to make mistakes. It’s what I love about a lot of the characters that I like. The problem is that her character makes a huge leap between the two things.
In WandaVision, she gives up her pretend family in order to free the town of thousands of people, which she immediately admittedly terribly imprisoned for a week but ultimately felt remorse for, and decides to go off on her own to do some soul-searching. In Doctor Strange 2, she insanely decides to go on a mission to get her children back, and remorselessly and psychotically ends up taking so many innocent peoples lives, and decides she’s going to sacrifice A young girl to get her power to achieve her goal, all in the name of her being a mother and that her children need her. Yes, there was that post credit scene in WandaVision with her reading the Darkhold, and there was some possibility of her going a little bit dark, but going as far as actually killing people? I’m sorry, but that just doesn’t track logically.
Look, I love it when directors really get to stretch their creative muscles and really show what they can do with an already existing property. But, if it comes at the expense of putting aside established continuity with story and character progression, then, it’s not worth it. Granted, it’s part of a framework that, if messed with or disrupted by another directors creative vision, will fall apart. That’s fine if it doesn’t bother you, because it’s part of something that you don’t care for, but a lot of people do care about that stuff.
Now, if it’s done right, I don’t mind that. I just didn’t think Multiverse of Madness did that very successfully.
Also, I thought Invisible Man was great. Agree to disagree.
Sure, no biggie. I love TLJ (probably the only Star Wars I've liked from the Disney era), so I agree that Luke's arc makes a lot more sense than Wanda's. I suppose I'm also just not as invested in Wanda as you and others are. It's never sat right with me that the MCU version has no ties to mutants or Magneto, and the fast tracking of her relationship with Vision never made sense to me. I just liked seeing her let loose in MoM, doing crazy things that beloved Marvel characters simply aren't allowed to usually.See, with Luke, even though we don’t get to see all of it, all of the events between the Original Trilogy and TLJ, that progression still tracks for me based on stuff we’ve been shown in those movies. Wanda from her series to DS2 just doesn’t track or feel like an organic, natural progression. Luke feels like a gradual march from where we last left him. Wanda feels like she just jumped the Grand Canyon, Evel Knievel style, from one side to another.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this.
Sure, no biggie. I love TLJ (probably the only Star Wars I've liked from the Disney era), so I agree that Luke's arc makes a lot more sense than Wanda's. I suppose I'm also just not as invested in Wanda as you and others are. It's never sat right with me that the MCU version has no ties to mutants or Magneto, and the fast tracking of her relationship with Vision never made sense to me. I just liked seeing her let loose in MoM, doing crazy things that beloved Marvel characters simply aren't allowed to usually.
I've no issue with calling the writing less than stellar, it's mostly Raimi's stylish directing and the acting the elevates the film for me.