The Amazing Spider-Man maybe

[Lord]

Only Uncle Ben dieing was in the Raimi films. Neither Gwen nor Captain Stacy died...what movies did you watch?

NO!!!
I'm talking about the future movies, if they decide to use the stacies arc and begin killing them only in the 2nd movie then each movie will each have an important death

 

[Troy_Parker]

Guys, I never said Peter was so far away. You are putting words in my mouth. Its dark, night, over the bay, and you have GG at a great height that can't be discern that it someone other than Vulture, dropping Gwen. He makes the effort, hence questioning how she died by truma or already decease.

And GG is not hiding, just being stealty, a trait of any good, cunning villain. It's a different way of telling the story of Gwen's death without being first of all so forward and predictable; and second, bring some some suspense, thrill, mystery to the drama unfolding. We comic fan know the story, how bland would it be to do the exact same thing.

No. Just, no.

Sorry, but this isn't a good idea at all.

I don't mind if it's at day or night, but there HAS to be an exchange between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin before he drops her, and when he realizes that she's dead, there's going to be MORE dialogue between the two.

Think of it like the bridge scene in Spider-Man. What would that scene have been like if Peter saw explosions from a distance, arrived and Goblin said nothing and immediately dropped the carriage and MJ and zipped away?

 

[Anno_Domini]

I think it would work perfectly if we received four movies, or, and this is probably wishful thinking, six movies.

We need to see Captain Stacy die AND Gwen Stacy, imo, and we shouldn't have both die in the next two films. I thought it would work, but I'd rather get a film inbetween deaths.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

No. Just, no.

Sorry, but this isn't a good idea at all.

I don't mind if it's at day or night, but there HAS to be an exchange between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin before he drops her, and when he realizes that she's dead, there's going to be MORE dialogue between the two.

Think of it like the bridge scene in Spider-Man. What would that scene have been like if Peter saw explosions from a distance, arrived and Goblin said nothing and immediately dropped the carriage and MJ and zipped away?

Well said.

 

[TheSlag]

I don't mind if it's at day or night, but there HAS to be an exchange between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin before he drops her, and when he realizes that she's dead, there's going to be MORE dialogue between the two.

Agreed. It makes it much more dramatic and intense.

 

[Venom'sDad]

No. Just, no.

Sorry, but this isn't a good idea at all.

I don't mind if it's at day or night, but there HAS to be an exchange between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin before he drops her, and when he realizes that she's dead, there's going to be MORE dialogue between the two.

Think of it like the bridge scene in Spider-Man. What would that scene have been like if Peter saw explosions from a distance, arrived and Goblin said nothing and immediately dropped the carriage and MJ and zipped away?

There is nothing keeping the dialogue from happening. It just happens a little later, the dialogue won't change, or change a thing or situation at hand. In my adaption, TAS3 takes place immediate after TAS2, no lag, complete continuation.

Again there is a hundred ways to tell that story, it does not, imo, has to be done exctly like the comics. That is very predictable; but, it does have to capture the essence of that situation, and be written well.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Slag, with good writing, anything can capture the intensity and dramatic moment of that situation...it does not have to follow suit of the comics. Just capture the essence of the situation and characters involved. Given what I have seen thus far, and the jury is still out, Marc can deliver on it being slightly different than what many are use to.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Slag, with good writing, anything can capture the intensity and dramatic moment of that situation...it does not have to follow suit of the comics. Just capture the essence of the situation and characters involved. Given what I have seen thus far, and the jury is still out, Marc can deliver on it being slightly different than what many are use to.

Well the only way that could work is if after Gwen'd death, Spider-Man tracks down the Goblin and they have a battle which results in the Goblin's death but, that's a little similar to the final battle in Raimi's Spider-Man... sooo, I don't know. lol.

I'd like it if after realizing that Gwen's dead, and tracking down the Goblin. Spider-Man beats the Goblin within an inch of his life, and when he's about to deliver the final blow, he could have flashbacks of himself with Uncle Ben? With Uncle Ben giving him lectures, telling him with great power comes... etc, which would make him stop.

But honestly, I'd prefer it if they stuck to how it was done in the comics with a few tweaks here and there.

 

[TheSlag]

Slag, with good writing, anything can capture the intensity and dramatic moment of that situation...it does not have to follow suit of the comics. Just capture the essence of the situation and characters involved. Given what I have seen thus far, and the jury is still out, Marc can deliver on it being slightly different than what many are use to.

I agree, and I hope it's not a panel for panel representation from the comics. I hope it has some different twists too. But I still like that face to face confrontation when Gwen Dies.. IF she dies.

I would love to see a more intense scene than the one from the comics... one where the Goblin torments Spider-Man. Maybe unmasking him, to taunt Gwen/Peter.. that the man she loves.. is the man she blames (Spidey) for killing her father.

I want more intense than "Choose.... Hero"

 

[©KAW]

How should they show her hitting the ground or should they? The body makes a heart-wrenching sound when it hits the pavement from so far above the streets. I think handling it like the way Kong fell in Peter Jackson's King Kong could work.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Gwen didn't hit the ground in the comics...

 

[socool]

What if...now this is trying to make the scene more brutal while still maintaining the impact of the comics (pun intended)...Gwen DOES hit the ground? Naturally, that rids the emotion and mystery of "What killed her? Was it the webbing or the shock? Or was she dead already?" But! What if, Spidey and GG duke it out right before he throws her off the bridge, in the ensuing chaos, Spidey's web shooters are damaged and he is unable to save her (hence her hitting the ground) This would create the mystery of "Would Spidey been able to save her?" Plus, her hitting the ground is a bit more brutal. Just a small thought that I think could work just as well. Some purists may argue with me, otherwise.

How should they show her hitting the ground or should they? The body makes a heart-wrenching sound when it hits the pavement from so far above the streets. I think handling it like the way Kong fell in Peter Jackson's King Kong could work.

You know, for someone who argues that the comics should be the foundation for the movies with added "maturity", you sure don't know the comics...

 

[White_Knight191]

^^ Gwen didn't hit the ground in the comics...

Exactly, she didn't.

 

[Web-Shooter]

I would keep building Norman's presence in each subsequent film. The first film is the low simmer which builds into a full boil by the third. Given Gwen's death the ultimate impact.

In the first film you have Oscorp. We know we won't see Norman, but his presence will be felt hanging over everything I'm sure. With Peter getting his powers at Oscorp, I assume that at some point Norman discovers (most likely security footage like in Ultimate) that Peter is Spider-Man. So I would have a scene at or near the end of the first film where someone (Irrfan, Oscorp Security?) approaches Norman's office with an item in hand (security footage). Basically the scene plays out where that person says something to the effect of "I have something that Mr Osborn should see..." or " I have something I'm sure you would be interested in Mr. Osborn". They could say it to a secretary outside his office or open Norman's door and say it into his office, teasing fans that we may get to see him in some fashion (which they wouldn't of course), as well as give them something to look forward to for the next film. Kind of a quasi-cliffhanger.

In the Second film I would introduce Norman, Harry and MJ into Peter's life. Start building and developing the characters and relationships for a bigger impact and payoff in the third film. Create that classic Betty and Veronica dynamic from the comics between Peter, Gwen and MJ (and play that out over 2 films as opposed to one, which would feel cheated or rushed IMO). There may be tension with Gwen if she blames Peter for her father's death (if he dies), spicing up MJ's arrival on the scene even more. You also introduce the Norman, Harry and Peter dynamic (again played out over two films). Obviously in a 2hr + film, there is only so much you can do, so there would only be a few or MORE scenes sprinkled throughout. You are just planting the seeds which will continue to grow into the third film. They could still be in highschool, or you could start them at university. I like the main villian being born from an experiment at Oscorp (take your pick, Electro, Scorpion, or introduce the cancer suit Venom project Peter's parents worked on). This adds further to Norman's impact and presense in Peter's life (the Oscorp connection once again). His fingerprints are all over Peter's life before the third film even starts, directly and indirectly. That dark cloud slowly grows into a storm with each passing minute we get closer the the third film. *Norman either discovers Peters ID in the first or second film, giving a subtext to their encounters which will obviously grow into the mind games between them, which would come into full fruition in the third.

The third film it all boils over. Norman is front and center. He becomes the Green Goblin (although I do like the idea of him being the Goblin in secret in the second film....) Scenes I would love to see (or similar scenes)Norman taunting Spider-Man at some point with his true ID, just teasing him, the mind games & the overall sense of doom that they create, brutal fight scenes (as I expect with the Lizard based on photos). I would love to see Peter beat Norman to an inch of his life (minus any flashback scenes to stop him). I want Gwens death to not be candy coated. When she dies it should have impact. It should not be treated with kid gloves. I've never heard a neck breaking, but I assume it doesn't sound pleasant.... whatever that sound is, I want it. This is another reason you introduce MJ in the second film. She is developed as a charater by this point and softens the blow that the audience would feel after the death of Gwen to some degree. That he's not completely hanging out on a ledge. I like this better then her being introduced in an epilogue after the fact for the obvious reasons I stated. It also gives a natural starting point moving forward for Peter in a fourth film. Whether that be with the same cat and crew, or even a whole different cast and crew starting a new series.

 

[©KAW]

^^ Gwen didn't hit the ground in the comics...

You know, for someone who argues that the comics should be the foundation for the movies with added "maturity", you sure don't know the comics...

This isn't the comics. And no one is doing a panel by panel shot, nor would I want that. I don't remember Peter getting bit on the neck by the spider nor Sandman being Uncle Ben's killer in the comics.

 

[Billy the Poet]

I guarantee this is going to happen. Why else use Gwen Stacy if you're not going to do that? I would also think it'd make more sense to do it in film 2, because film 3 would be such a downer to end on that note. I think they desperately need to introduce MJ as a cameo in this one or as a major character in the sequel, so they can play out the final pages of ASM#122 (hers and Pete's best moment in the comics).

With all that said I've had a theory....

Killing off Gwen Stacy on a bridge by the hands of the GG shortly before the Goblin dies himself (by accidental self-impailment) no matter the tone will play JUST LIKE the end of SM1 save that the girlfriend dies and there are (hopefully) no cheesy "You messed with New York!" extras.

That means replaying a famous scene from the first film. Webb/Sony may think that is too redundant. And look there is a bridge scene in this movie. Would they really have a bridge scene twice in the same franchise?

Here's a thought: Lizard takes Gwen to the bridge and the scene happens with a different villain. Just a thought.

I abree with you and I believe that one of the best ways to end the trilogy will be the adaptation of #121-122, as well as the concluding scene with Peter and MJ, which had so much drama in it that it can look really big on the screen.

I really hope the Lizard won't take Gwen to the bridge. Otherwise, it may look overdone. I may be wrong as for now, but for meit's not easy to picture the whole bridge scene again with a different villain and no death in the first film and have it make any sense. I hope the bridge scene in this film is very brief and won't have Stacy anywhere near it. If they actually go with the SM1 route, I hope Gwen's death will be accomplished in the third film and in a different setting, so it will look more original.

 

[Billy the Poet]

I agree, and I hope it's not a panel for panel representation from the comics. I hope it has some different twists too. But I still like that face to face confrontation when Gwen Dies.. IF she dies.

I would love to see a more intense scene than the one from the comics... one where the Goblin torments Spider-Man. Maybe unmasking him, to taunt Gwen/Peter.. that the man she loves.. is the man she blames (Spidey) for killing her father.

I want more intense than "Choose.... Hero"

Actually, it's safe to say Gwen already knows Peter's secret in the first film.

 

[Billy the Poet]

What if...now this is trying to make the scene more brutal while still maintaining the impact of the comics (pun intended)...Gwen DOES hit the ground? Naturally, that rids the emotion and mystery of "What killed her? Was it the webbing or the shock? Or was she dead already?" But! What if, Spidey and GG duke it out right before he throws her off the bridge, in the ensuing chaos, Spidey's web shooters are damaged and he is unable to save her (hence her hitting the ground) This would create the mystery of "Would Spidey been able to save her?" Plus, her hitting the ground is a bit more brutal. Just a small thought that I think could work just as well. Some purists may argue with me, otherwise.

Nice idea actually. To be honest, I always thought it would be even better if it was hinted that Gwen could have been already dead prior to the Goblin dropping her. She seems out of consciousness, but she may even be dead before the whole scene plays. Again, I say hinted, cause it will be a good subject for numerous speculations and interpretations. The whole moment should arouse three questions:
1. Was it the Goblin's fault?
2. Could it be actually Spider-Man himself who led to her death?
3. Or, was it really the whole natural pattern of cause and effect, time and physics?

 

[TheSlag]

Actually, it's safe to say Gwen already knows Peter's secret in the first film.

Unfortunately, it appears that way from the one scene. If so, a wasted opportunity, and begs if we will get the death of Captain Stacy (and/or) get Gwen blaming Spider-Man for his death.

 

[TheSlag]

Nice idea actually. To be honest, I always thought it would be even better if it was hinted that Gwen could have been already dead prior to the Goblin dropping her. She seems out of consciousness, but she may even be dead before the whole scene plays. Again, I say hinted, cause it will be a good subject for numerous speculations and interpretations. The whole moment should arouse three questions:
1. Was it the Goblin's fault?
2. Could it be actually Spider-Man himself who led to her death?
3. Or, was it really the whole natural pattern of cause and effect, time and physics?

I like it that it comes full circle.. he did not use his powers to stop the burglar and Uncle Ben died... where with the Goblin.. despite of his great powers... Gwen still dies.

And I like the twist of not know if Gwen was already dead from the fall, or died from the snapped neck.

But I want a more intense exchange between Goblin and Spider-Man leading up to it than the circumstances in the comic.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I prefer Gwen know his identity. It avoids the cliche "I love you, but I can't act on it because of this secret I have that you can't know." angle.

Back to Gwen's death though...

That moment should not be changed whatsoever. It shouldn't. I'm all for artistic liberties, but that moment is too defining and groundbreaking to change.

 

[TheSlag]

I don't (like Gwen knowing).. it breaks down the dynamics. IMO, Raimi's SM suffered after MJ knew, and I think ASM will too.. if they go that path, and it unfortunately appears they are.

As far as Gwen's death being iconic.. no doubt at the time, it was basically unheard of and a shocker too. But now, it's not such a shocker, and it is basically known.. so I can see them switching it up.. and maybe not even killing her.

They need to change it up, and ramp it up IMO. But she should still die, it's the Goblin's Legacy to me.

 

[Spiderman6592]

I don't (like Gwen knowing).. it breaks down the dynamics. IMO, Raimi's SM suffered after MJ knew, and I think ASM will too.. if they go that path, and it unfortunately appears they are.

As far as Gwen's death being iconic.. no doubt at the time, it was basically unheard of and a shocker too. But now, it's not such a shocker, and it is basically known.. so I can see them switching it up.. and maybe not even killing her.

They need to change it up, and ramp it up IMO. But she should still die, it's the Goblin's Legacy to me.

Gwen knowing Peter's identity will likely mean they're avoiding the damsel in distress route (aside from when Goblin comes into play).

And if you think the death of Gwen Stacy is widely known among audience members, you need to think a little bit more about the GA. I'm willing to bet 75% of people who see this movie won't even know who Gwen Stacy is, never mind that she was killed by the Green Goblin.

 

[socool]

Actually, the whole "Gwen knowing" thing, might have a better chance of working, rather than not.

According to Emma, Gwen's story is that she's always been "Daddy's little girl" and when she meets Peter, she finds that she wants to leave her Dad's grasp, with Peter as the new man in her life. If Gwen knows, but her father doesn't...that would add to Gwen's "breaking away." I think it could work. Plus, Batman Begins and TDK both worked with the love interest knowing the heroes identity.

 

[Billy the Poet]

I don't (like Gwen knowing).. it breaks down the dynamics. IMO, Raimi's SM suffered after MJ knew, and I think ASM will too.. if they go that path, and it unfortunately appears they are.

As far as Gwen's death being iconic.. no doubt at the time, it was basically unheard of and a shocker too. But now, it's not such a shocker, and it is basically known.. so I can see them switching it up.. and maybe not even killing her.

They need to change it up, and ramp it up IMO. But she should still die, it's the Goblin's Legacy to me.

I see your point, but it all depends on what role they will give Gwen. Will she be a jealous and selfish kind of girlfriend that is always to be saved from something like MJ? Or will she be a caring and supporting girlfriend like what we've rarely seen on the screen?

I believe that the facts that she knows Peter is Spider-Man and that her death is yet to come barely have any adverse effect on how their relationship will progress. Besides, even if Gwen still knows Peter's secret, it shouldn't stop her from blaming him to, despite all his powers, save her father from dying. I mean Peter and Gwen obviously come from different backgrounds. Gwen was raised in a complete and stable family in a good looking house. They can imply that she is a good daughter that really depends (emotionally especially) on her parents. Whereas, Peter became an orphan, who never had anotehr chance to see his parents and who was raised in a lower-middle class family with caring uncle and aunt. In this film he resembles more sort of a rebelious type of an outsider, which only marks his destinction from Gwen. Yet, this shouldn't stop them from emotionally connecting with each other.