The Amazing Spider-Man maybe

[Spidermatrix53]

My point is with that particular scene, if they're going to do it, it has to look realistic. If it looks cartoony, that entire iconic scene will be a waste.

Agreed.

 

[TheSlag]

I think it would be interesting to have Peter be unsure as to who's fault it is himself. Have a movie or so where he comes to terms with the fact that he may be responsible for her death.

So basically just like it was in the comics then.

I agree. I love that aspect of the story. And as I have said before, it brings him full circle from Uncle Ben (where he did not use his powers and his beloved Uncle Ben paid the price) to where despite his powers... the only woman he loved paid the ultimate price.

That.. is great storytelling, especially for its day and age.

 

[Billy the Poet]

I want this franchise to last at least 4 movies.

Without ending on a sad note like S-M 3. :\

SM3 had a sad ending? I don't think so. Except the overdramatized death of Harry, it all ended on a good note. Peter won the battle and saved MJ, the city admires him and he's finally back to his love. That's a pretty optimistic conclusion.

 

[Troy_Parker]

SM3 had a sad ending? I don't think so. Except the overdramatized death of Harry, it all ended on a good note. Peter won the battle and saved MJ, the city admires him and he's finally back to his love. That's a pretty optimistic conclusion.

That's actually what I meant. lol.

It wasn't really all that overdramatized.

 

[DACrowe]

SM3 had a sad ending? I don't think so. Except the overdramatized death of Harry, it all ended on a good note. Peter won the battle and saved MJ, the city admires him and he's finally back to his love. That's a pretty optimistic conclusion.

Well the last major event in the film is Harry's death. Overdone or not (like most of Raimi's attempts at drama in the trilogy), it certainly wasn't a happy final bow.

And the last scene was surprisingly restrained and mature for the series. Peter gets MJ back, but it's not a joyous reunion. It's after the funeral of their best friend. I actually like that scene a lot because there is no dialogue. They see each other and without saying a word they, and the audience, is ready to put all the evil **** they said and did each other in this movie behind them and start over. But the way they did it now was as adults and not as the doe-eyed children of the last three movies. They grew up and that in itself is kind of sad. Their reconciliation is bittersweet because of all they lost to get there both literally (Harry) or figuratively (blissful ignorance/innocence). It's actually the only non special effects scene in the movie that I thought was any real good.

However, the ending is a downer and ends the trilogy on them dancing and not swinging to triumphant music. That says it all right there.

This is why I think killing Gwen off in the second movie (and introducing MJ prominently as well) is necessary. Simply because you don't want TASM3 being the last film and ending with Gwen dying and MJ solacing Peter. That is a great ending for a middle chapter (think Empire Strikes Back). But your grace note? Not for this character.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Well the last major event in the film is Harry's death. Overdone or not (like most of Raimi's attempts at drama in the trilogy), it certainly wasn't a happy final bow.

And the last scene was surprisingly restrained and mature for the series. Peter gets MJ back, but it's not a joyous reunion. It's after the funeral of their best friend. I actually like that scene a lot because there is no dialogue. They see each other and without saying a word they, and the audience, is ready to put all the evil **** they said and did each other in this movie behind them and start over. But the way they did it now was as adults and not as the doe-eyed children of the last three movies. They grew up and that in itself is kind of sad. Their reconciliation is bittersweet because of all they lost to get there both literally (Harry) or figuratively (blissful ignorance/innocence). It's actually the only non special effects scene in the movie that I thought was any real good.

However, the ending is a downer and ends the trilogy on them dancing and not swinging to triumphant music. That says it all right there.

This is why I think killing Gwen off in the second movie (and introducing MJ prominently as well) is necessary. Simply because you don't want TASM3 being the last film and ending with Gwen dying and MJ solacing Peter. That is a great ending for a middle chapter (think Empire Strikes Back). But your grace note? Not for this character.

This. It ended on a very sombre note.

 

[Billy the Poet]

Well the last major event in the film is Harry's death. Overdone or not (like most of Raimi's attempts at drama in the trilogy), it certainly wasn't a happy final bow.

And the last scene was surprisingly restrained and mature for the series. Peter gets MJ back, but it's not a joyous reunion. It's after the funeral of their best friend. I actually like that scene a lot because there is no dialogue. They see each other and without saying a word they, and the audience, is ready to put all the evil **** they said and did each other in this movie behind them and start over. But the way they did it now was as adults and not as the doe-eyed children of the last three movies. They grew up and that in itself is kind of sad. Their reconciliation is bittersweet because of all they lost to get there both literally (Harry) or figuratively (blissful ignorance/innocence). It's actually the only non special effects scene in the movie that I thought was any real good.

However, the ending is a downer and ends the trilogy on them dancing and not swinging to triumphant music. That says it all right there.

This is why I think killing Gwen off in the second movie (and introducing MJ prominently as well) is necessary. Simply because you don't want TASM3 being the last film and ending with Gwen dying and MJ solacing Peter. That is a great ending for a middle chapter (think Empire Strikes Back). But your grace note? Not for this character.

Good points here, can't disagree. I haven't watched SM3 for two years already, thus I hardly remember the actual scene.

I really like your thoughts on it. I just still believe that all drama was forced and looked ungenuine.

Even though I think having Gwen die in the last film and leaving Peter single, keeping his close friendship with MJ, is another good way to finish the trilogy, I certainly see your point here. So, either way I'm fine with it.

 

[©KAW]

So, are we all going to be upset if Gwen Stacy doesn't die (and there is no Green Goblin) in ASM3?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Yes.

But with the presence that Oscorp seems to have in this, I think it's very likely that we'll be getting the GG by ASM 3. Same goes for the death of Gwen Stacy. Apart from the costume that seems to have pissed off a few people (people who wish this was Spider-Man 4...) Marc seems to be doing everything else right.

 

[VenomSpawn]

So, are we all going to be upset if Gwen Stacy doesn't die (and there is no Green Goblin) in ASM3?

I won't be. It really doesn't matter to me if she dies, and I don't really want to see the Green Goblin again, so I don't really care.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I think they're definitely going to use the Green Goblin, and I'm shocked it doesn't matter to some. It's like having a Batman movie/s without The Joker.

Use who you want up to that/after that point, but you have to use the hero's number one villain. O_O

 

[©KAW]

I don't think Sony or Webb wants to see another Goblin in this trilogy either.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Eh, we'll see. I doubt they've thrown Oscorp in there for no reason other than a fan wank.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Agreed. The Green Goblin is Spider-Man's arch nemesis.

 

[VenomSpawn]

His villain status doesn't make me want to see him any more. I don't want to see the same villain again not even 10 years after seeing him in a film already...

 

[Lord]

Oscorp is there to foreshadow Norman Osborn and Green Goblin, i tought that was obvious

 

[Troy_Parker]

Oscorp is there to foreshadow Norman Osborn and Green Goblin, i tought that was obvious

That's exactly what I mean! They wouldn't have Oscorp the place where Peter's bitten when they could have some other nameless organization unless they were actually planning on introducing Norman, etc, in a sequel.

 

[Billy the Poet]

Yes.

But with the presence that Oscorp seems to have in this, I think it's very likely that we'll be getting the GG by ASM 3. Same goes for the death of Gwen Stacy. Apart from the costume that seems to have pissed off a few people (people who wish this was Spider-Man 4...) Marc seems to be doing everything else right.

Agreed!

 

[©KAW]

Yes.

But with the presence that Oscorp seems to have in this, I think it's very likely that we'll be getting the GG by ASM 3. Same goes for the death of Gwen Stacy. Apart from the costume that seems to have pissed off a few people (people who wish this was Spider-Man 4...) Marc seems to be doing everything else right.

Listen to what I'm about to say, although, I am not talking directly to just you.

Are we not doing exactly the same thing that most claimed Sony did to Sam Raimi by forcing Venom in SM3. Are we not allowing Marc Webb to see his vision through by forcing him (or demanding him) that he put Green Goblin in ASMIII and using The Death of Gwen Stacy. Maybe that's not his vision for his trilogy. If we damned Sony for doing this to Sam Raimi, shouldn't we also damn ourselves for doing it to Marc Webb?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Listen to what I'm about to say, although, I am not talking directly to just you.

Are we not doing exactly the same thing that most claimed Sony did to Sam Raimi by forcing Venom in SM3. Are we not allowing Marc Webb to see his vision through by forcing him (or demanding him) that he put Green Goblin in ASMIII and using The Death of Gwen Stacy. Maybe that's not his vision for his trilogy. If we damned Sony for doing this to Sam Raimi, shouldn't we also damn ourselves for doing it to Marc Webb?

I get what you're trying to say. What I'm saying is, if Webb has no intention to use Spider-Man's greatest foe or introduce one of the most important characters in Spider-Man's life, why would he use Oscorp in this movie, if it wasn't going to have a much larger presence in a sequel? He could have easily thrown in a made up company. I just don't think he would have used Oscorp if he wasn't planning on using the Green Goblin at some point.

If Marc doesn't want to use Green Goblin, fair enough. I don't mind, but you can see what my point is. As I've said before, throwing in Oscorp in there seems to be a lot more than just a fan wank. At least to me it does.

 

[Lord]

Listen to what I'm about to say, although, I am not talking directly to just you.

Are we not doing exactly the same thing that most claimed Sony did to Sam Raimi by forcing Venom in SM3. Are we not allowing Marc Webb to see his vision through by forcing him (or demanding him) that he put Green Goblin in ASMIII and using The Death of Gwen Stacy. Maybe that's not his vision for his trilogy. If we damned Sony for doing this to Sam Raimi, shouldn't we also damn ourselves for doing it to Marc Webb?

Nope, we're discussing how Webb using Oscorp probably means Norman Osborn will be in the next movies, and that Green Goblin will probably return, we're not saying that we want, we're saying we think Webb wants and we are happy with that idea

 

[©KAW]

I get what you're trying to say. What I'm saying is, if Webb has no intention to use Spider-Man's greatest foe or introduce one of the most important characters in Spider-Man's life, why would he use Oscorp in this movie, if it wasn't going to have a much larger presence in a sequel? He could have easily thrown in a made up company. I just don't think he would have used Oscorp if he wasn't planning on using the Green Goblin at some point.

If Marc doesn't want to use Green Goblin, fair enough. I don't mind, but you can see what my point is. As I've said before, throwing in Oscorp in there seems to be a lot more than just a fan wank. At least to me it does.

Nope, we're discussing how Webb using Oscorp probably means Norman Osborn will be in the next movies, and that Green Goblin will probably return, we're not saying that we want, we're saying we think Webb wants and we are happy with that idea

Not so, Oscorp is apart of Spider-Man's world, and just because it's used doesn't necessarily mean that it should produce Green Goblin or The Death of Gwen Stacy. No more than the Daily Bugle and JJJ in Raimi's films should have produced Scorpion. Even Norman Osborn could show up, and that doesn't mean you should get the Green Goblin. Remember, we had Curt Connors mentioned once and in two films and NO Lizard.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Exactly. Why would Webb pull a Raimi and have all of these signs that point to a villain, then not use that villain? That would only piss more fans off.

And the Daily Bugle/Scorpion thing is... eh. Not as strong as the connection with Oscorp and Green Goblin. Say what you will, but Norman Osborn will be introduced at some point, leading into his development as the Green Goblin.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Just because a villain was used in the previous trilogy, doesn't mean he can't be used again. By the time the 3rd movie comes out, it will have been 9 years (roughly, assuming it comes out in 2016) since the last movie with a Goblin, and 15 since the Green Goblin's first appearance in Raimi's Spider-Man. That's more than enough time.

 

[©KAW]

Exactly. Why would Webb pull a Raimi and have all of these signs that point to a villain, then not use that villain? That would only piss more fans off.

So, fans will be pissed off, I'm a master of that. But it doesn't mean Green Goblin will be in this trilogy because we're pissed off.

And the Daily Bugle/Scorpion thing is... eh. Not as strong as the connection with Oscorp and Green Goblin. Say what you will, but Norman Osborn will be introduced at some point, leading into his development as the Green Goblin.

Then how strong is Curt Conners being Peter's teacher in two movies and no Lizard. Is that a strong enough connection for you?

I'm not saying I don't want Norman Osborn, Green Goblin or The Death of Gwen Stacy in ASMIII, because I do. I'm just saying there's also a chance that you won't get it in this trilogy.