MCU Fight: Vision vs Hulkbuster Ironman

[Thör-El]

That was through a portal. Not like he flew from Earth into space and to another planet. But, I have yet to see Thor hit someone with Mjolnir any harder than Vision hit Ultron, so that tells me the strikes were of equal strength, therefore Vision's strength level is high.

Yeah I know, hence the 'technically' joke.
It was a surprise hit thanks to Thor distracting Ultron but yeah, Vision's strength is definitely high, no argument here. Thor never got to hit Ultron with Mjolnir so it's hard to compare.

The only characters I think Thor used his hammer and full strength against either died (pre-flame Surtur, various fire demons, the Destroyer, the Kronan from Dark World, various ice giants and their ice beast) or braced themselves and used an Infinity Gem to push back (Malekith). I don't think he wanted to kill Iron Man or Loki when they fought and I don't think he quite went all out with Hulk in the Helicarrier fight since he was trying to reason with him and he didn't want to wreck the Helicarrier with lightning.

Ironically, he actually hit Hulk a lot further with a regular hammer:

On the Taika interview, would it have killed him to outright state what the device did in the movie? LOL!

That would've been nice, I'm guessing he couldn't work that much exposition into a joke.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Are you sure about that?

Thor beat a mind gem sceptre wielding Loki (who I'd say wielded the gem better than Vision has)

The sceptor's concussive blasts were relatively weak, loki took one after it bounced off Cap's Shield barely did any damage I'm betting Repulser blast do more Damage

, fought evenly with a reality gem wielding Malekith and we saw with Ultron that Vibranium has a melting point.
Oh and if Hawkeye's electricity arrows can hurt/stun Vision are you really telling me the God of Thunder can't?

Vision wasn't expecting to be attacked by Hawkeye and it only stunned him for a second

 

[BigThor]

On the Taika interview, would it have killed him to outright state what the device did in the movie? LOL!

I would've liked for Taiki to explain it in the movie as well, glad he finally cleared it up in the DVD commentary though.

 

[Thör-El]

The sceptor's concussive blasts were relatively weak, loki took one after it bounced off Cap's Shield barely did any damage I'm betting Repulser blast do more DamageVision wasn't expecting to be attacked by Hawkeye and it only stunned him for a second

Loki actually used the mind stone to control minds. He also used it to talk to the Other on the other side of the universe. Two skills we haven't seen from Vision. Plus we have a scene with Vision himself openly admitting he doesn't understand the stone in Civil War.

As for scepter blasts, they could be blocked by Cap's shield/Mjolnir and as you say Loki was only knocked down but those are two nigh indestructible weapons and an incredibly durable character. Other than that it did one shot a Quinjet.

Vision's beams have knocked back Ultron, helped Thor/Iron Man to melt Vibranium, destroyed an airport tower and shot down War Machine with an unlucky hit straight to the arc reactor so yeah, definitely more feats for Vision on that side of things. I suspect Loki's scepter could've done some of those things too but we'll never know, he didn't get to use it that much.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

VISION
Reasons are already stated.

 

[jaqua99]

Vision definitely wins.

Vision is not a transcendent tier character though. All of our trans tier characters have battled, with a clear edge against powerhouses.

Ultron handled Thor..but ineffectively. He is a nodd case; we only have him their due to durability.

Also, Thor was KO'd from the little "tasers"...more than likely those are more "inhabilitating" than Hawkeye's electric arrows which had a short lasting effect on vision.

Grandmaster's tasers would have a similar effect on Vision for one simple reason. They are plot devices. Effortlessly restrained Thor, likely restrained Hulk off screen.

Thor's lightning could do some damage to Vision, for sure.

And by damage, he could probably "shut off his brain"...kind of like what happened to him with Ultron.

Cant see Thor KO'ing vision with concussive force like he was doing to Hulk, unless that synthetic brain rattles around. If Thor can spam those Hela KO lightnings, chances are Vision will be shut off for a minute or two.

But that is a different battle.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would've liked for Taiki to explain it in the movie as well, glad he finally cleared it up in the DVD commentary though.

I still don’t feel it’s properly cleared up though. If it renders Thor powerless he would have never survived Hulks knock out blow in the arena fight.

 

[Fosterson]

But, I have yet to see Thor hit someone with Mjolnir any harder than Vision hit Ultron,

How about this?

It's also worth remembering that Vibranium isn't very heavy (only 1/3 the weight of steel), so sending someone made out of it flying is less impressive than it otherwise would be.

 

[BigThor]

I still don’t feel it’s properly cleared up though. If it renders Thor powerless he would have never survived Hulks knock out blow in the arena fight.

That's what the director said, it doesn't have to make perfect sense this IS a work of fiction so a suspension of disbelief is needed.

I struggle with suspending my disbelief a lot, but I have to remind myself that the writers and directors don't always focus on every little detail like us fans.

How about this?

It's also worth remembering that Vibranium isn't very heavy (only 1/3 the weight of steel), so sending someone made out of it flying is less impressive than it otherwise would be.

Thor's best hammer toss in any MCU film.

Vision vs Ghost Rider, now that's got some promise.

That's what I'm going to use for our next battle, either that, Hulk vs Vision, or Thor vs Vision.

 

[Batmannerism]

That's what the director said, it doesn't have to make perfect sense this IS a work of fiction so a suspension of disbelief is needed.

I struggle with suspending my disbelief a lot, but I have to remind myself that the writers and directors don't always focus on every little detail like us fans.



Thor's best hammer toss in any MCU film.



That's what I'm going to use for our next battle, either that, Hulk vs Vision, or Thor vs Vision.

Now that's what I'm talking about !

I think Vision vs Post Ragnarok Thor would be close.

Thor has a edge but it is by no means a sure thing - if Vision got in a surprise attack, then he might win.

Interestingly Thor without Mjolnir is actually a tougher fight for Vision, as he can wield Mjolnir although not the lightning powers ( which were always Thor's).

If Hulk can land a solid blow on Vision when he's neither intangible or super dense then Vision's in trouble - although how would Hulk handle a point blank blast from an infinity stone ?

I look forward to these.

 

[BigThor]

Now that's what I'm talking about !

I think Vision vs Post Ragnarok Thor would be close.

Thor has a edge but it is by no means a sure thing - if Vision got in a surprise attack, then he might win.

Interestingly Thor without Mjolnir is actually a tougher fight for Vision, as he can wield Mjolnir although not the lightning powers ( which were always Thor's).

If Hulk can land a solid blow on Vision when he's neither intangible or super dense then Vision's in trouble - although how would Hulk handle a point blank blast from an infinity stone ?

I look forward to these.

Ghost Rider vs Vision would also be awesome, seeing how Ghost Rider is able to hurt intangible beings.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ghost Rider vs Vision would also be awesome, seeing how Ghost Rider is able to hurt intangible beings.

Indeed. Both have a varied power set, which would make any battle entertaining and interesting.

Although GR can harm intangible things Vision doesn't have a soul and would likely be immune to the penance stare. Could Vision's blasts harm GR ?

Vision vs Thor and GR vs Vision and GR vs Thor are all worthy battles , looking forward to them.

 

[BigThor]

Indeed. Both have a varied power set, which would make any battle entertaining and interesting.

Although GR can harm intangible things Vision doesn't have a soul and would likely be immune to the penance stare. Could Vision's blasts harm GR ?

Vision vs Thor and GR vs Vision and GR vs Thor are all worthy battles , looking forward to them.

We already did Thor vs Ghost Rider and Thor won by a wide margin.

Also I'm not sure if the MCU Ghost Rider has the penace stare, so far he just fights hand to hand and burns people the **** up.

 

[Batmannerism]

We already did Thor vs Ghost Rider and Thor won by a wide margin.

Also I'm not sure if the MCU Ghost Rider has the penace stare, so far he just fights hand to hand and burns people the **** up.

Man, sorry I missed out on Thor vs GR. That's would be a close one, but I give Thor the win.

 

[Docker2.0]

Vision. Dude is darn near invincible in the MCU.

 

[ernesth100]

Vision is currently Marvels Superman. He'd tear the armor open or increase his density to a point where attacks would be futile but hit's would be devastating.

 

[Thör-El]

That's what I'm going to use for our next battle, either [Vision vs Ghost Rider], Hulk vs Vision, or Thor vs Vision.

One of the first two would be great, we just argued Thor vs Vision so a break before that would be cool.

Vision is currently Marvels Superman. He'd tear the armor open or increase his density to a point where attacks would be futile but hit's would be devastating.

Between the density changing/shapeshifting I'd say he's more the MCU Martian Manhunter minus the telepathy (kind of ironic considering he has the mind stone).

 

[BigThor]

One of the first two would be great, we just argued Thor vs Vision so a break before that would be cool.

We never made an official Thor vs Vision thread, people were just randomly debating it in the thread.

 

[Thör-El]

We never made an official Thor vs Vision thread, people were just randomly debating it in the thread.

I know, I was one of them. Either way debating something else for a bit would be nice.

By the way, is there a reason we're only doing one fight at a time?

 

[Surfer]

I know, I was one of them. Either way debating something else for a bit would be nice.

By the way, is there a reason we're only doing one fight at a time?

Two reasons.

1. They are a heck of a lot of work to put together each week at least how we are doing them. Sourcing the videos to get people excited, finding all the powers, skills and abilities for each character, and then trying to keep the tier lists up to date. Thanks go to jaqua99 and BigThor for doing pretty much all the work in my absence. Meaning in short, I am still in the middle of a move and I am currently without a computer. So, again thanks to them.

2. Having multiple battles simultaneously would result in some battles becoming a focal point and others being mostly overlooked. It's important to the tier list that each battle has it's opportunity to shine, and not take a back seat to other battles.

I hope that explains it.

Surfer

 

[Thör-El]

I still don’t feel it’s properly cleared up though. If it renders Thor powerless he would have never survived Hulks knock out blow in the arena fight.

That's what the director said, it doesn't have to make perfect sense this IS a work of fiction so a suspension of disbelief is needed.

I struggle with suspending my disbelief a lot, but I have to remind myself that the writers and directors don't always focus on every little detail like us fans.

I just watched the scene again, it looked like Grandmaster had borderline knocked out Thor then turned the power disruptor/taser off again by the time Hulk delivered that blow. Presumably Thor had his durability back for the hit.

 

[Thör-El]

Two reasons.

1. They are a heck of a lot of work to put together each week at least how we are doing them. Sourcing the videos to get people excited, finding all the powers, skills and abilities for each character, and then trying to keep the tier lists up to date. Thanks go to jaqua99 and BigThor for doing pretty much all the work in my absence. Meaning in short, I am still in the middle of a move and I am currently without a computer. So, again thanks to them.

2. Having multiple battles simultaneously would result in some battles becoming a focal point and others being mostly overlooked. It's important to the tier list that each battle has it's opportunity to shine, and not take a back seat to other battles.

I hope that explains it.

Surfer

I'm sure people could handle two a week but if they're hard to put together that's fair.
You could maybe save time putting them together by copy pasting the powers and abilities section most characters have in the MCU wiki.

I count 109 characters in the tiers and most of them haven't fought yet so it's going to be slow going at this rate.

Plus with every new film we'll get new characters and might see old characters getting better feats or beating someone we wouldn't expect them to so it's a moving target.

 

[jaqua99]

I'm sure people could handle two a week but if they're hard to put together that's fair.
You could maybe save time putting them together by copy pasting the powers and abilities section most characters have in the MCU wiki.

I count 109 characters in the tiers and most of them haven't fought yet so it's going to be slow going at this rate.

Plus with every new film we'll get new characters and might see old characters getting better feats or beating someone we wouldn't expect them to so it's a moving target.

That is what we do.

But once a week is the system we have. Plus, that puts us in a spot where as a group, the three of us are putting more time in on a Sunday, and we can't just battle any character of any color.

Once a week is the easiest way to go about this.

There's collaborative discussion that goes on between us three over the course of a week.

Twice a week for posters may be a lot, but twice a week for us IS a lot. It's more organized this way.

Thanks for the suggestions though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So is Vision going to be part of the next battle also?

 

[Docker2.0]

So is Vision going to be part of the next battle also?

If we have a next battle. This thing seems to have gone on for many moons.