MCU Tag Team Battle (Crossover): Toby, MCU, & Garfield Spider-Men Vs QS, Cap, & Black Panther

[Spider-Fan]

Post-FFH I think many will change their tune about Holland. But Tobey alone could solo both Cap and Quicksliver. This wouldn't even be a fight imo

I think Cap would beat Tobey, as well. Though he'd put up a better fight. Cap held his own against Iron Man, who is more powerful than any Spider-Man.

 

[BigThor]

As others have pointed out, Quicksilver is a non-threat to Garfield and Maguire. They've been ragdolled by far stronger opponents and have got right back up.

Maguire couldn't KO Doc Ock who is a regular human other than those tentacles. As a matter of fact he didn't defeat Doc Ock once in the entire film now that I think about it.

I think Cap would beat Tobey, as well. Though he'd put up a better fight. Cap held his own against Iron Man, who is more powerful than any Spider-Man.

Iron Man in Civil War was weaksauce, by far one of the weaker Iron Man suits throughout the films.

 

[Docker2.0]

Team Spider-Man.

Cap goes down first imo, Holland gave him a good go but he was still very green in their first encounter, Maguire is experienced enough to take down Cap I think, especially if he has on the symbiote suit.

Garfield vs. BP I think due to his insane reactionary & speed based feats Garfield can web Panther up eventually.

Holland vs. Quicksilver would be tough but armed with his Iron-Spider suit I do think Holland could hold him off until they have a 3 on 1 advantage and eventually land a leg breaker.

Cap goes down first? Really? Have you seen Cap in the movies? He seems way stronger than his 616 counterpart, quite possibly the same as Spiderman, not to mention that shield and experience should give him the slight edge over Spiderman.

 

[BigThor]

I think Cap would beat Tobey, as well. Though he'd put up a better fight. Cap held his own against Iron Man, who is more powerful than any Spider-Man.

Iron Man in Civil War was weaksauce, by far one of the weaker Iron Man suits throughout the films.

Cap goes down first? Really? Have you seen Cap in the movies? He seems way stronger than his 616 counterpart, quite possibly the same as Spiderman, not to mention that shield and experience should give him the slight edge over Spiderman.

Cap is definitely not as strong as either of the Spider-Men, one stopped a train, another held together a ferry, and the other stopped a bus from tipping over.

Yeah I know the first two used webs to help them but still web or no web those are downright out of Cap's league.

 

[Docker2.0]

Iron Man in Civil War was weaksauce, by far one of the weaker Iron Man suits throughout the films.


Cap is definitely not as strong as either of the Spider-Men, one stopped a train, another held together a ferry, and the other stopped a bus from tipping over.

Yeah I know the first two used webs to help them but still web or no web those are downright out of Cap's league.

One also stopped a helicopter with one arm and threw a motorcycle pretty far like a baseball. But you say he's nowhere near as strong as Spidey?

 

[BigThor]

One also stopped a helicopter with one arm and threw a motorcycle pretty far like a baseball. But you say he's nowhere near as strong as Spidey?

Look up how much lift force a helicopter has and look up how much a train weighs.

It's.not.even.close

 

[Luigi]

One also stopped a helicopter with one arm and threw a motorcycle pretty far like a baseball. But you say he's nowhere near as strong as Spidey?

Impressive feats of strength but doesn't close to Spidey stopping a train or holding up a giant wall.

Maguire couldn't KO Doc Ock who is a regular human other than those tentacles. As a matter of fact he didn't defeat Doc Ock once in the entire film now that I think about it.

I chalk it up to Spidey holding back and/or plot convenience.

 

[BigThor]

Impressive feats of strength but doesn't close to Spidey stopping a train or holding up a giant wall.

Holding up that giant wall was also a huge strength feat, that wall should weigh several tens of tons.

I chalk it up to Spidey holding back and/or plot convenience.

Yep it was definitely plot convienence.

 

[Batmannerism]

Cap goes down first? Really? Have you seen Cap in the movies? He seems way stronger than his 616 counterpart, quite possibly the same as Spiderman, not to mention that shield and experience should give him the slight edge over Spiderman.

MCU Cap is extremely tough, he took a full on punch from Thanos ( who eKOd the Hulk) and got up a few moments later.

We know that MCU Cap wipes the floor with Holland. IMO is probably a match for Garfield. Only Maguire might be too much for him based on his strength feats - not certain though. He took a real whooping from the Green Goblin before he got angry enough to fight back.
None of the Spideys have fought skilled opponents - well okay Holland has, and that was Cap, who whooped him.

Maguire with the symbiote suit probably has the best chance - the suit enhancing his strength and aggression enough to put up a massive fight. Being more ruthless than regular Spidey would also help.

Quicksilver was tearing apart Ultron drones and is easily fast enough to avoid anything the Spideys could throw at him.

Black Panther really makes this a lock for team Cap. The Spideys have no way of hurting him, whereas he could literally slice them to shreds - his short finger claws are almost purpose built for cutting webbing.

Skill counts for a lot in battle and none of the Spideys are remotely close to Cap or BP.

Terrain would be a big factor. In an urban environment the Spideys have some advantages but in an open space they would get clobbered pretty quickly.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Iron Man in Civil War was weaksauce, by far one of the weaker Iron Man suits throughout the films.


Cap is definitely not as strong as either of the Spider-Men, one stopped a train, another held together a ferry, and the other stopped a bus from tipping over.

Yeah I know the first two used webs to help them but still web or no web those are downright out of Cap's league.

Being stronger doesn't mean you will win a fight against someone not as strong as you. Cap is tactically more competent than any Spider-Man, and would beat them with ease. You can say CW Iron Man was weak sauce, but that weak sauce still was more powerful than any other Spider-Man ever in film, and Cap was giving him all kinds of problems. Cap wins a fight against any of the Spider-Men, and I would say he does rather easily. Like in CW, he may struggle for a few moments at first, but once he has their style down, then he will exploit their weaknesses and win easily.

 

[jolldan]

Cap goes down first? Really? Have you seen Cap in the movies? He seems way stronger than his 616 counterpart, quite possibly the same as Spiderman, not to mention that shield and experience should give him the slight edge over Spiderman.

He is a beast don't get me wrong im not trying to discredit Cap just think there is a very clear difference between Cap's levels and those of Spider-Man.

It's not even just strength Spider-Man has him beat reaction time, strength and endurance.

• Strength: Cap lifts and throws a motorbike, Spidey picks up a motorbike in each hand.
• Endurance: Cap takes a shot from a grenade launcher blocking it with shield and is sent flying and survives. Spidey takes a grenade about 4 inches from his face and survives.
• Reaction Time: Cap actually manages to block shots from Bucky's gun with his shield while also fighting him at a very close distance. Spider-Man manages to fight Green Goblin in a close space while dodging multiple razor grenades things which were all moving independently.

Maguire Spider-Man even likely has fighting skills to match Cap he's already tangled with super solider level beings already like Green Goblin, tech advanced enemies like Doc Oc, genetically altered size altering Sandmen and aliens like Venom.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Green Goblin was not as competent hand to hand as Cap. Not even close.

 

[Stormborn]

I agree Cap and Panther are more skilled but they're just so far out of their league strength/speed wise it's not going to matter.

Strength:

• Maguire Spidey stopped a six carriage, 129 tonne train going 80mph. He's also lifted a 10 tonne cable car with one hand, overpowered Doc Ock's arms (strong enough to tear open a bank vault) and snapped Venom's webbing (strong enough to hold a 13 tonne dump truck).
• Garfield casually stopped a 16 tonne bus from tipping over during a car crash, and has a feat of catching and holding a 2.1 tonne SUV with one hand, can grapple with Lizard (who threw the aforementioned SUV) and has another feat of catching a 1.7 tonne police car.
• Panther's best strength feats are redirecting a 1.7 tonne Lexus and a 2 tonne Rhino but he didn't fully lift either of them so it's hard to judge.
• Cap's feat holding down the helicopter is a 1.5 tonne feat and the motorcycle he threw in Age of Ultron was 220 kg.

Speed/Reactions/Agility:

• Garfield Spidey is a bullet timer so in tune with his spider sense he can casually dodges close range machine gun fire, pistol fire and detect danger in multiple directions (a cop car hurled towards a crowd and two pedestrians about to touch an electrified rail) and react in time without even looking. People seem to be underestimating just how fast he is so here are the gifs to prove it:

• Maguire Spidey's slower than Garfield but he's still fast enough to manoeuvre through narrow gaps in a bridge whilst moving faster than a train, ordinary people move in slow motion to him and his spider-sense lets him dodge attacks he doesn't even see coming.
  
  
• MCU Panther can run at 30mph and in combat he can dodge/catch Hawkeye's arrows. It's worth remembering regular humans can catch arrows though.

• MCU Cap has lower level superhuman speed that let him recover from a fall and dodge a high speed car crash in Age of Ultron and he has a couple of good feats blocking bullets with his shield when he can see where his enemies are aiming but he isn't a bullet timer with a 6th sense and he's actually been shot on multiple occasions.

 

[BigThor]

I think people should go refresh themselves on the Spider-Man films, he's extremely OP as far as street levelers go.

 

[Docker2.0]

I don't know man. I think you are underestimating BP and Cap as well. Not to mention QuikSilver who's no slouch either. BP has extreme agility and though he can't stick to walls, those claws can slice through anything Spidey can throw at him.

 

[Marvel united]

Maguire would simply overwhelm Cap. He's more experienced than Holland.

Panther can't cut their webs if they web his claws. He gets rag-dolled by Garfield.

Garfield would KO Quicksilver with his bullet time reflexes. Quicksliver is not fast enough to outrun bullets

 

[BigThor]

I don't know man. I think you are underestimating BP and Cap as well. Not to mention QuikSilver who's no slouch either. BP has extreme agility and though he can't stick to walls, those claws can slice through anything Spidey can throw at him.

I'm not underestimating them, if I didn't think they could win I wouldn't have made this match up.

I was just stating facts concerning their large strength advantage. However, I never said strength is the only factor in a fight or battle.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think people should go refresh themselves on the Spider-Man films, he's extremely OP as far as street levelers go.

But Quicksilver, Cap and Black Panther are not street level heroes, so that means 100% nothing. I think you're massively overrating what they can do based on what he did to characters who Cap or T'Challa would have also easily beaten.

 

[BigThor]

But Quicksilver, Cap and Black Panther are not street level heroes, so that means 100% nothing. I think you're massively overrating what they can do based on what he did to characters who Cap or T'Challa would have also easily beaten.

I never brought up what they've done to other characters, just their feats of strength (stopping train, tipping buses etc).

You have me confused with someone else, as a matter of fact I even brought up Spider-Man not being able to beat Doc Ock on the first page.

Once (again), if I didn't think Cap, Panther, & QS couldn't win I wouldn't have made the match up. The term "street leveler" in this case is being used to describe their power levels not the fact that they actually fight street level threats.

 

[Batmannerism]

Strength, sure. Spidey is stronger. But Cap is a better fighter. Nothing in Homecoming makes me think he got so much better as a fighter that he can beat Cap. The difference between Cap and Spidey's strength levels is smaller than the difference between their skill/technique levels. Cap wins, no contest.

Agreed. Skill beats strength unless it's so disproportionate to be ridiculous ( eg Daredevil vs Hulk ). Just ask Royce Gracie. There isn't enough of a gap between McU Cap's strength and any of the spideys to make up for the enormous difference in fighting skill.
MCU Cap hasn't just fought Hydra and other super people, he has killed enemy soldiers on the horror battlefields of WW II. The Spider Men are still just kids, Cap's skill, tactical genius, grit and strength is enough to beat any of them one on one.

 

[jolldan]

Forgot about this lol part of me was always intrigued to see what this mode of the suit did.

Agreed. Skill beats strength unless it's so disproportionate to be ridiculous ( eg Daredevil vs Hulk ). Just ask Royce Gracie. There isn't enough of a gap between McU Cap's strength and any of the spideys to make up for the enormous difference in fighting skill.
MCU Cap hasn't just fought Hydra and other super people, he has killed enemy soldiers on the horror battlefields of WW II. The Spider Men are still just kids, Cap's skill, tactical genius, grit and strength is enough to beat any of them one on one.

Name one enemy soldier he faced that would have been more difficult to take down than Spider-Man?

 

[Batmannerism]

Forgot about this lol part of me was always intrigued to see what this mode of the suit did.




Name one enemy soldier he faced that would have been more difficult to take down than Spider-Man?

Red Skull, The Winter Soldier...

and while not soldiers there's of course Iron Man and Spider Man - I rewatched CW last night and Cap beats Spidey pretty easily.

Winning this fight aside, I vastly prefer Holland's Spidey because he really is just a kid, and a screw up, but still really likeable - he's not as awkward or mopey as Maguire or as irritating and smug as Garfield ( who was better as Spidey IMO in TASM 2).

In some ways that's Holland's advantage. Cap and the others are less likely to feel threatened by him, or feel the urge to stomp his face into the ground.

I think folks here are vastly underselling how much of a threat BP is. with his new suit there is literally nothing the Spideys can do to harm him other than temporarily web him up. Beacause his claws are on his fingers they have a huge range of movement and because they're vibranium they're going to shred webbing easily.

 

[BigThor]

Black Panther is the biggest threat against the Spider-Men.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Cap and Black Panther are more or less equals, though Panther has the advantage with the suit. But physically, they are basically equal.

 

[Stormborn]

Skill beats strength unless it's so disproportionate to be ridiculous ( eg Daredevil vs Hulk ). There isn't enough of a gap between McU Cap's strength and any of the spideys to make up for the enormous difference in fighting skill.

I think you're massively underestimating the gap in strength between the super soldiers and the Spider-Men. It's not quite Daredevil vs Hulk but it's far bigger than the gap between an adult and a ten year old (a typical adult male's 3.5 times stronger if you're curious)

Maguire's best strength feat (129 tonnes) is over 80 times better than Cap's best strength feat (1.5 tonnes) and 64 times better than Panther's best strength feat (1.7 tonnes).

Garfield's weaker but his best strength feat (16 tonnes) is still roughly ten times better than Cap and Panther.

We know that MCU Cap wipes the floor with Holland. IMO is probably a match for Garfield.

I really don't buy this. Garfield is far stronger (see above) and also far faster.

The guy is a bullet timer (his best feat is casually dodging 768mph machine gun fire). This makes him four times faster than Panther's best reaction feat (catching arrows which can go up to 200mph) and over ten times faster than Cap's best reaction feat (leaping out the way of a car crash, potentially 70mph).

Skill counts for a lot in battle and none of the Spideys are remotely close to Cap or BP.

I agree, Cap and Panther are the most skilled fighters here and skill does matter.
It matters that unlike Holland in Civil War, Garfield as of ASM2 and Maguire as of SM3 are competent fighters in tune with their powers (including their spider sense).

As skilled as MCU Cap and Panther are, they're not skilled enough to beat someone competent who's ten times stronger and ten times faster (Garfield) or someone competent and comparably fast who's over 60 times stronger (Maguire).

Cap and Black Panther are more or less equals, though Panther has the advantage with the suit. But physically, they are basically equal.

The vibranium suit definitely makes a difference. Cap can be taken down fairly quickly with overwhelming strength/speed, whereas with T'Challa it's not that simple. They can still web him up though.

Black Panther is the biggest threat against the Spider-Men.

I still think it's Quicksilver. Cap and Panther are just too out of their league for strength and speed (see above) whereas Quicksilver at least has his speed advantage to cause trouble with. I don't think QS hits hard enough though and sooner or later he'll take a hit from someone with spider-sense and go down.