MCU X-Men

[freshandclean]

Interesting! I too think there are ways to make the O5 not boring. Changing out one or two members isn't the worst idea either. I don't know why they couldn't do the Jim Lee lineup (minus Jubilee perhaps) for the second film though, and then for the third film start to add in outliers who are almost-classics like Psylocke and Dazzler.

I chose the 3rd film as the equivalent of the 1st Avengers film. I feel like the majority (not movie goers, but comic/X-Fans) eventually want some version of this:

If they do start off with O5 either with or without Storm as a stand in, the O5 are all in this lineup. Adding Rogue and Wolverine (and Storm if you don't include her in the original) in the second film will pull them closer to this roster. By the third film, you can add (while possibly retiring a member) say Gambit and/or Psylocke and/or Colossus (or some variation that might include Nightcrawler or Kitty). Then if you have too many members by the end of film 3, you can split into 2 teams, or more elegantly, spin off the O5 into X-Factor (which is another reason doing an Origin film might be beneficial).

By then, Scott and Jean will be established as a couple, Angel could possibly become Archangel in the first X-Factor movie, Beast will be hairy (and possibly had done a stint on the Avengers) and Iceman will be in all his gay glory (sorta kidding). The "boring" O5 will be a more exciting version of themselves and the Origin film will have people invested in an X-Factor movie. Then you can start adding more members to the X-Men proper.

 

[psylockolussus]

They don't need to show how they met for the first time, they could develop them as an couple from the start and work from that. Flashbacks or talking about the past are another way to tell the viewers about the past without doing an origin story.

 

[Marvel united]

Maybe they can do a compromise. Have a team that's existed since 2012 after the Battle of New York, Xavier, uh, secretly recruited the O5 and the roster has since grown to include Storm, Colossus, Rouge and Kitty. Still better than saying the X-Men has been a team and has operated under the radar for 25 years without nobody knowing

 

[psylockolussus]

Like to me, I would say that the X-Men have been around for more or less ten years. Cyclops, Jean, Bobby, Angel, Beast, Polaris and Havok are the original seven. Then throughout the years, Storm, Wolverine, Banshee, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Kitty, Psylocke, Dazzler, Gambit, Bishop, Jubilee and Forge had joined the team and the X-Men now operate into 2 to 3 squads but X-Mansion is still their main headquarter.

I don't really know how could they pull off the existence of mutants being discovered so late unless Xavier wiped out mutants from the memories of non mutants.

As for mutant school, I don't really know. I prefer when they were just twenty mutants in Xavier's mansion. It felt more intimate than having hundreds of nameless mutants in the school.

 

[Darepool]

They may just decide to wait until Phase 5 or 6 and reboot everything. Phase 6 becomes the MCU 2.0. I know Feige envisioned this universe in the vein of James Bond, but that was before this potential deal happened.

Tongue firmly in cheek, but it seems to be as good an option as any. Things seem to be getting too complicated in here.

 

[psylockolussus]

He said they have contingency plans if certain properties go to them.

 

[Darepool]

He said they have contingency plans if certain properties go to them.

I'd love to know how those plans involve the mutants existing within the MCU. Feige's a wizard when it comes to this stuff, but just reading the scenarios and hoops people are jumping through to introduce a single character like Magneto into the MCU is making me anxious. Just take a deep breath and give it a few.

I'm of the school of thought where the simplest ideas are often the best. Whatever is the most logical, organic story option as it pertains to the MCU is the one I'd choose. In terms of Magneto and trying to justify why someone tied to the Holocaust and in his 80's looks 50-ish in 2020, the better option is to update his origin to a more contemporary (urgent) setting so you don't have to. Find the modern parallels and go from there.

 

[Dark Raven]

They don't need to show how they met for the first time, they could develop them as an couple from the start and work from that. Flashbacks or talking about the past are another way to tell the viewers about the past without doing an origin story.

They could show Scott and Jean meeting one summer at the beach. Scott could look into her eyes and sing: "Summer lovin' had me a blast..."

 

[samsnee]

How would people feel if they changed some of the races of characters? Clearly the studio isn’t averse to it (see Homecoming).

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Wouldn't mind if gambit was black lol

 

[CaptainWagner]

Everyone will want there favorite X-Men as the focus of the new series, so inevitably people are going to be disappointed by whatever Marvel decides to do. I think getting a team of field agents in action and a group of students, with a few others as school staff, etc... is the best way to go. Not every mutant needs to be a star to "get them right". This is why I don't want an origin. Take the "lived-in" approach and we can get the versions of the characters we want: Scott and Jean as confident leaders, Hank as a blue, furry, jovial scientist, Bobby out of the closet, etc... Then we can follow the "coming of age" of some mutants that haven't gotten the spotlight yet.


As for race-swapping, they shouldn't need to, outside of Xavier or Magneto, who I'd be down to see changed. The X-Men are one of the most diverse groups in comics, it's not hard to pick a diverse team.

 

[Iceman]

I don’t think fans of lower profile characters are going to need them to be the focus, as long as they get a good showing.

 

[Iceman]

Wouldn't mind if gambit was black lol

Whatever he is, he definitely needs to be French!

 

[LaughterLives]

How would people feel if they changed some of the races of characters? Clearly the studio isn’t averse to it (see Homecoming).

I just want the actor's who can capture the essence of character's and put on a great performance doing it. I don't care what color, size or age they are cuz if they do the job better than anyone else could, It won't matter at the end of the day.

Make Scott Chinese, Jean Latina, Wolverine Spanish/Black, Colossus Iraqi, Beast Japanese, Storm(Well I'd kinda want Storm to stay Black and sexy), Jubilee Pakistani....It's all good as long as they can sell the character.

 

[Iceman]

I chose the 3rd film as the equivalent of the 1st Avengers film. I feel like the majority (not movie goers, but comic/X-Fans) eventually want some version of this:

Seeing anything like that one day would be a dream.

If they do start off with O5 either with or without Storm as a stand in, the O5 are all in this lineup. Adding Rogue and Wolverine (and Storm if you don't include her in the original) in the second film will pull them closer to this roster. By the third film, you can add (while possibly retiring a member) say Gambit and/or Psylocke and/or Colossus (or some variation that might include Nightcrawler or Kitty). Then if you have too many members by the end of film 3, you can split into 2 teams, or more elegantly, spin off the O5 into X-Factor (which is another reason doing an Origin film might be beneficial).

By then, Scott and Jean will be established as a couple, Angel could possibly become Archangel in the first X-Factor movie, Beast will be hairy (and possibly had done a stint on the Avengers) and Iceman will be in all his gay glory (sorta kidding). The "boring" O5 will be a more exciting version of themselves and the Origin film will have people invested in an X-Factor movie. Then you can start adding more members to the X-Men proper.

I don't mind how they get to that eventual destination and I hope Feige and co bring their A game to this project.

 

[Marvel united]

I don't think anybody should be race-swapped of they do Claremont but if they do O5, then Hank and Warren can be changed for more diversity

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

^I wonder if an MCU X-Men film can meet everyone's expectations.

I'm waiting for: Cyclops, Jean, Beast, Angel, Iceman, Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Psylocke, Shadowcat, Jubilee, Gambit, Rogue, Bishop, Dazzler and even a proper Wolverine to shine. I can't help but be disappointed if, say, The O5 end up like Fury, Natasha, Coulson, Hawkeye and Hill in Avengers. Characters with a couple good moments but who are ultimately there to serve the story of the characters forming the new team, which leads to less screen time, villain co-oping, death and lack of development in comparison with their comics counterparts.



That's spelling it out in dialogue, which is a fine choice, it allows you to experience the story in a more direct way, not as direct as showing it, but at least it allows you to keep caring about Angel if you already do from comics. Economical storytelling, which I was poking Andrew about is when you don't spell it out, but provide information in more subtle less time consuming ways. In XMA, we see Psylocke's anguish over Angel's death, and that clues us is in that he was special to her. The short time they've known each other and their similarity in age leaves only one real option, the one that happens to mirror their relationship from comics. While he didn't mention he was rejected by his father, when he was free from cage fighting he did not return to his family, but stayed cooped up in some barn somewhere. This means he has nowhere to go. It could be his family is all dead or something, but its more likely in the political climate of the film that his family just doesn't want him. Two short lines tell you all you need to know.

You just don't care, and neither do I, because backstory does not equal giving a crap. That was my point, nothing more.

I agree wholeheartedly. I didn’t care when Angel seemingly died or that evil look Psylocke gave them because she didn’t speak much or shown to really believe in Apocalypse’s new world.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I don't think anybody should be race-swapped of they do Claremont but if they do O5, then Hank and Warren can be changed for more diversity

Hank could absolutely be changed. But Warren is essentially the embodiment of white privilege. He's one that really shouldn't be changed.

 

[Mad Ones]

Cancelled. Along with America, Squirrel Girl, and Gwenpool. And I don't watch YouTube. But that's enough of that.

So what? Cancelation =/= Quality and a lot of us are sad to see them go but were happy they existed because Marvel wasnt running like an all white straight boys club.

 

[Marvel united]

Hank could absolutely be changed. But Warren is essentially the embodiment of white privilege. He's one that really shouldn't be changed.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. It'd be the Danny Rand casting debate all over again

 

[Dark Raven]

Make Angel Asian this time then!

 

[AndrewGilkison]

This is where we disagree. A good film is a good film, IMO. You're under the impression that a good Origin film (again it doesn't have to be the O5 proper, just a few X-Men with Scott and Jean at least when it was just X, the mansion, and those theoretical "O5") is gonna sink the ship or something. What I've learned watching the MCU play out is that the General Public themselves will not complain. 90% of them probably couldn't name the O5. 95% probably couldn't name the entire second gen roster. If DisMarvel or Feige think that an origin film is the way to go, the public will follow. As long as plot, characterization, action, and special effect are up to par the film will be successful regardless. With the added bonus of boosting future films by laying the groundwork.

Whether it's "necessary" or not is besides the point. It's just a viable alternative to "let's get everyone's favorite animated series character in as soon as possible". It smacks of DC's Justice League rush job.

I don't see it as a viable alternative at all. I see it as a no win situation.

If you make an origin movie starring the original five, that means you...

Piss off the people who just want to see Wolverine, Storm, Gambit, Rogue, etc.

Piss off the people who have seen 18 years worth of X-Men stories already and don't need another origin movie about the formation of the team.

Piss off the SJW's who want diversity because you presented an all white mostly male X-Men lineup.

Piss off the long time comic book fans because you raced swapped one of the original five characters to please those pesky SJWs, or pissed them off because you sort of did an Original Five movie but replaced one of them with Storm for the sake of diversity (so what was the point then!?!).

So.... after you've pissed off the majority of people... who are you left with? Who did you please?

X-Men is not an obscure Marvel property like Guardians or Dr. Strange or Ant-Man. It has the brand recognition of Spider-Man and the Hulk. It has one of the most passionate fanbases around, after generations of not only comics but other media, such as 18 years of previous movies and one of the most successful cartoon shows of all time. Any MCU movie with the name X-Men on it is going to come with a lot of baggage and expectations, because it is a known entity.

That's why Marvel just needs to skip the original five and go to the second team.

 

[Raiden]

I think they should establish the core X-Men first, then later they can branch them out to the Blue & Gold teams. They can also consider the Excalibur, which needs MCU to first fully developed Scott & Jean as a real couple (so they can introduce Rachel Summers), and none of that Wolverine/Jean Grey nonsense from the Fox movies.

 

[psylockolussus]

How would people feel if they changed some of the races of characters? Clearly the studio isn’t averse to it (see Homecoming).

Just stick to what the character looks like in the comics.

I think I would hate it. I just don't see the point of it. The X-Men are already diverse enough.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they did the original X-Factor instead, they could have the original 5 posing as government agents hunting mutants. They could go after the new team, but then it turns out that they are not only mutants as well, but the original X-Men.

I don't think they can call them X-Factor though. Not unless Marvel want people to think of them as an all-singing reality show.