Men and Abortion

[Abaddon]

Abortion is the most barbaric practice around.

Not really.

 

[Tangled Web]

Not really.

Name a practice more barbaric than sucking a baby out of a woman with a vacuum and then piercing it's head until it dies.

 

[S_H_F_4839]

Men should have no business whatsoever in the debate on abortion. If there are votes regarding abortion laws, only women should be allowed to vote. That's just what I think. Any thoughts?

I personally think men should have just as much say as women, I am pro choice on the issue as it relates to anyone not related to me, I find out a family member is pregnant and thinking about it I try to talk them out of having it done, which makes me a hypocrite, but ask me if I care. It is the womans choice to have it done, but if I get a girl pregnant in the near future and she has it done and we were dating, I would leave her because why punish the kid for our mistake.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Yes Men should have a say in an abortion. It's his kid too.

 

[celldog]

I don't get how people kill countless trees and other things but when it comes to a "human".... anyway one could argue that women should be the only deciders of abortions since most men that say they will raise the baby end up leaving their child/children and doing this to another person but i will say that aborting the baby is the easiest way out for many. I just hope abortions are never forced upon anyone due to race or income

Good morning folks:They already force abortions in China. That's why they don't have enough females. CBS did a huge story on this two weeks ago.

 

[celldog]

Im NOT saying we shouldn't eat animals. I eat animals. Im saying
1) that murdering fully-formed adult animals because we like to eat them, in my mind, is far worse than a mother killing a slightly developed two-month old fetus, and
2) we have the right to kill and eat animals if we want to. Why shouldn't women have the right to an abortion?

You still can't seem to get past that "development issue, can you? Consider these questions:


This disregards the fact that the nature of the life is human. It has human DNA and is alive. How can its nature not be human if it is alive and has human DNA?

This asserts a false premise that someone is not human until he/she is fully developed.

What constitutes full development? One hour before birth or one hour after? Is there really a difference?

This is saying that value of humanity is based upon development.

At what point does the life (that is human in nature) suddenly develop value?

If value is dependent upon the choice of the mother, then how is it possible that the choice of the mother changes the nature of the life from valueless to valuable since there is no change in the condition of the life in the womb?

But is its nature human or something else?
If it is not human in nature, then what is it?

If it is human in nature, then what gives anyone the right to kill it?

Then when does the nature change into human? When does the non-human nature develop into a human nature?
This is important since we would not want to accidentally kill a life that has become human at some point.

If you cannot determine at what point the life becomes human, then should you risk killing it at all since it may very well be human?

At what point does it become human and by what criteria do you make this judgment?
If you cannot decide when, then you are risking killing a person.
If you say that the life becomes human at birth, then what in the birth process changes the nature of the life from non-human to human?




you are a guy, think about what it would be like if your role were reversed:
you are in high school, you have a girlfriend. You use protection, but you still end up getting pregnant.

Then don't have sex before you are married. It's still a risk you are taking. Sex is not like food or water. You don't have to have it. That sets us apart from animals. We can reason. We have the ability to control ourselves. If we choose not to, it's our fault.


Your girlfriend gets scared and takes off. You can't support a child, and your parents would disown you if they found out you were pregnant or they are too incompitent to help you out.

[B]The incompetent one is ME for doing something I was not prepared to take care of on my own....not my parents! They already raised a kid.....they are not obligated to raise another. We are casting blame on others that really belongs to us.[/B]


Maybe you aren't even in school and you are totally on your own, just scraping by taking care of yourself. You knwo it is a hard decision, but would you rather get an abortion or go through pregnancy for 9 months, perhaps with no family support, go throuhg childbirth, and give away your baby to adoption hoping it get to have a good life? Or keep the baby, living on your own, having to drop out of school and work two jobs just to barely support yourselves? Or do you get an abortion, keep your life on track?


You know....all of these sad stories could have been prevented by not doing the sex act. I know it's a foreign thing in minds of today. But it's true. Adoption is a great option. Also....is working two jobs a sin?? There countless people...especially pro athletes who talk about how there mothers worked hard to provide for them. They were not aborted and somehow they made it. They let life take its course. They didn't play God. Now...was that the ideal way?? No. But it worked out and these guys are millionaires....Babies born into slavery by black women.....talk about being born into a grim circumstance! But we never would have had some great black scientists, inventors, politicians and doctors if those slave mothers had thought, "This life is too ruff for my child. I'm gonna kill it so the white man can't." There are too many support groups in this country to help pregnant girls today for such a lame excuse as "life is tuff".

I just think that abortion affects women so much more than it affects men, partly because a lot of guys, especially young teenagers, run out on girls when they say they're pregnant.

But it effects the baby even more than the mother. The baby is dead. The mother gets to live.


Don't do the crime if can't do the time.

 

[C.F. Kane]

Everyone's talking about getting rid of abortions and no one's talking about getting rid of the need for abortions.

More birth control, better sex ed, less abortions. Simple as that.

And why are we throwing around Hitler references in this ******ed debate anyway?

 

[black_dust]

But it effects the baby even more than the mother. The baby is dead. The mother gets to live.


Don't do the crime if can't do the time.

So if your saying if a woman gets raped by a man and she falls pregnat she has no right to abort the baby even though she was raped and didn`t want it in the first place?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Everyone's talking about getting rid of abortions and no one's talking about getting rid of the need for abortions.

More birth control, better sex ed, less abortions. Simple as that.

That's what we need to do.

 

[JewishHobbit]

So if your saying if a woman gets raped by a man and she falls pregnat she has no right to abort the baby even though she was raped and didn`t want it in the first place?

Life sucks. No she shouldn't be able to.

 

[hippie_hunter]

So if your saying if a woman gets raped by a man and she falls pregnat she has no right to abort the baby even though she was raped and didn`t want it in the first place?

Now that is a different circumstance. That kind of abortion must be legal.

 

[JewishHobbit]

My sister-in-law was raped and impregnated in highschool. She was scared by it and wanted to get the abortion, but coming from a christian home she was hesitant. She waited too long and couldn't get the abortion and had to go through with it. She had the little girl and it ended up bringing her OUT of the rut she was in from being raped. She since claimed that the girl is the light of her life and that she gets nautious every time she thinks about how she wanted to kill her. Now the girl's about 8 or 9 (I don't know exactly) and she's a cheerleader and a top student at her school. She's the coolest neice an uncle can have and just an all around great kid. Her mother loves her unconditionally and another man has stepped up to be the father... and they're a happy family.

But hey, I have an idea... let's just suck the girls brains out and keep any option of this happening.

And yeah, I'm one of those people that puts abortion and hitler in the same category.

 

[black_dust]

Now that is a different circumstance. That kind of abortion must be legal.

How can it be diffrent, if the woman doesn`t want the child she should have the choice given

Fair enough if she is somekind of slapper thats going to the clinic every week wanting an abortion she shouldn`t get one.

All lies with safe sex anyway

 

[grey_jeanie]

I think we should allow it so that those who think it's appropraite for their circumstance and want one ,can have one, and those who don't, don't have to either.

Simple as that. Only the people who want to force their views and morals on other people and limit their options will be unhappy.

 

[hippie_hunter]

How can it be diffrent, if the woman doesn`t want the child she should have the choice given

Fair enough if she is somekind of slapper thats going to the clinic every week wanting an abortion she shouldn`t get one.

All lies with safe sex anyway

Because she had sex against her will most likely by some stranger

 

[Mr Sparkle]

My sister-in-law was raped and impregnated in highschool. She was scared by it and wanted to get the abortion, but coming from a christian home she was hesitant. She waited too long and couldn't get the abortion and had to go through with it. She had the little girl and it ended up bringing her OUT of the rut she was in from being raped. She since claimed that the girl is the light of her life and that she gets nautious every time she thinks about how she wanted to kill her. Now the girl's about 8 or 9 (I don't know exactly) and she's a cheerleader and a top student at her school. She's the coolest neice an uncle can have and just an all around great kid. Her mother loves her unconditionally and another man has stepped up to be the father... and they're a happy family.

But hey, I have an idea... let's just suck the girls brains out and keep any option of this happening.

And yeah, I'm one of those people that puts abortion and hitler in the same category.

of course there's those other cases where the mother is Unable to dissassociate the child from the rapist (how selfish of her huh?) or where the depression of having what should be the most joyful thing in a woman's life be brought on by rape is overwhelming, not to mention married women that wanted to have chilldren with oh I don't know THEIR HUSBAND!

but hey, let's just pay attention to whatever fits our beliefs.

do you eat meat by the way?

 

[grey_jeanie]

I don't eat meat (I know that quetion wasn't intended for me lol)

I agree with you too. That's a lovely story posted above and it was obviously 'meant to be' for that child to stay alive. I honestly believe in fate and stuff like that and I don't think the option of abortion should be eliminated. That is as long as the law stays at allowing it only before 24 weeks old. I think even that is pushing it a bit when recent tests have shown that foetuses can respond to stimulus at that age in the womb!

 

[Corinthian™]

My sister-in-law was raped and impregnated in highschool. She was scared by it and wanted to get the abortion, but coming from a christian home she was hesitant. She waited too long and couldn't get the abortion and had to go through with it. She had the little girl and it ended up bringing her OUT of the rut she was in from being raped. She since claimed that the girl is the light of her life and that she gets nautious every time she thinks about how she wanted to kill her. Now the girl's about 8 or 9 (I don't know exactly) and she's a cheerleader and a top student at her school. She's the coolest neice an uncle can have and just an all around great kid. Her mother loves her unconditionally and another man has stepped up to be the father... and they're a happy family.

But hey, I have an idea... let's just suck the girls brains out and keep any option of this happening.

And yeah, I'm one of those people that puts abortion and hitler in the same category.

You should probably tell her that she is the product of a rape

also, don't forget to film it and post it in here

 

[C.F. Kane]

My sister-in-law was raped and impregnated in highschool. She was scared by it and wanted to get the abortion, but coming from a christian home she was hesitant. She waited too long and couldn't get the abortion and had to go through with it. She had the little girl and it ended up bringing her OUT of the rut she was in from being raped. She since claimed that the girl is the light of her life and that she gets nautious every time she thinks about how she wanted to kill her. Now the girl's about 8 or 9 (I don't know exactly) and she's a cheerleader and a top student at her school. She's the coolest neice an uncle can have and just an all around great kid. Her mother loves her unconditionally and another man has stepped up to be the father... and they're a happy family.

But hey, I have an idea... let's just suck the girls brains out and keep any option of this happening.

And yeah, I'm one of those people that puts abortion and hitler in the same category.

This is known in scientific theory as a "person-who" statistic: taking a singular example of a case pertaining to the argument in question and applying it to the argument as a whole, using it as wholly justifiable evidence for a particular side of an argument. A more famous example of a "person-who" statistic is refuting evidence that smoking causes cancer by saying that a friend or relative smoked heavily and lived to a ripe old age without any health problems at all.

The obvious problem with the "person-who" statistic is that it ignores other cases which debunk the speaker's argument entirely, making it nothing more than an erroneous statement.

 

[JewishHobbit]

If they aren't happy with the kid then put it up for adoption. Eitherway the kid shouldn't have to die because of an already horrible thing that's happened.

 

[Abaddon]

Yeah,lets just overpopulate the foster care system with children.

 

[ampersand]

Yeah,lets just overpopulate the foster care system with children.

So your argument has basically become "it's way more convenient to just kill them"

 

[Abaddon]

So your argument has basically become "it's way more convenient to just kill them"

To be frank,it just doesn't bother me much.

 

[SickBoy]

I think we should allow it so that those who think it's appropraite for their circumstance and want one ,can have one, and those who don't, don't have to either.

Simple as that. Only the people who want to force their views and morals on other people and limit their options will be unhappy.

I agree. I think it's a personal choice that should be left up to the mother. Other people's beliefs should not be forced upon her.

 

[SickBoy]

Yeah,lets just overpopulate the foster care system with children.

That's what i am wondering about. How many kids are put up for adoption each year? how many more would do you think there would be if abortion became illegal? And what percentage of these kids actually end up getting adopted? This is all very important stuff to consider. I dont know but i imagine that Abaddon you are right and the foster care system would be overloaded.